Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[pknopp]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

Not really our responsibility to help our self declared enemies.

Help? A business selling their products are helping themselves.

Trade policy is a national government function. But thank you for not denying that they are our enemy.

They may be yours but not mine. They never did a thing to me but all the same, national policy or not it is NOT free market.

So, you don't consider an enemy of your nation an enemy of yours?

IF they were waging war, killing your fellow citizens would you care? IF they came for you, would you expect your fellow citizens to fight to protect you?

They never did anything to us. They are doing none of those things.

 

[struth]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

You said it right in this thread.

Then you should copy and paste my exact words.
I'm happy to point out your error.

You support our actions in Cuba. I don't need to further explain that.

Cuba doesn't have a free market....and the US had nothing to do with Cuba deciding not to have a free market and adopt the Socialist plan....that has obvious results like we are seeing, and have seen.

They do not but it wasn't Cuba stopping U.S. companies from doing business in Cuba but your answer is saying they are no different than the U.S. as far as markets go.

The US doesn't have a socialist market. The Cuban Govt does, and their actions...such as attempting to get nukes to aim at us, as well as oppress their people etc..are why we don't do business with them.

It's the actions of the left wing socialist Govt of Cuba. Not the US

 

[struth]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

Remember the huge oil discovery off of Cuba? They invited all the oil majors to a meeting in Mexico City.. I think it was at the Marriott. Bush threatened them.. Must have been about 2006 or so.

I believe the oil discovery was 2008...Octoberish...during the Obama regime...and it was the Obama regime that raised concerns a few years later: Oil discovery in Cuba gets US notice

Nonetheless, all nothing was found and the oil companies left a by 2013: Companies abandon search for oil in Cuba's deep waters

Nice attempt to rewrite history though and try to blame the US, and a republican.

Nope. It was when Dubya was president. Feb 2006

https://cri.fiu.edu/research/commissioned-reports/oil-cuba-alvarado.pdf

The Reality of a Cuban Oil Bonanza
In December 2004, the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro announced that they had
discovered a significant oil reserve off the northwest coast of the island. More
importantly, the potential of the oil finds could dramatically decrease the island’s
dependence on imported oil and could serve as boon to the Cuban economy. There has
been much conjecture of the size and scope of oil reserves in the 59 offshore tracts in
Cuban exclusive economic zone (EEZ). The working estimates are that there are a
potential of 120 thousand barrels of oil per day, perhaps more, but the sea floor is over a
mile deep and the oil reserves perhaps an additional 3,000 feet beneath the sea floor.

Looks like the Obama regime continued to have concerns as I highlighted...I don't see where Bush did anything you suggested though....

With that said...it appears the Castro regime lied anyway...as no oil was found and companies left....typical leftist...nothing but lies

Many have noted that Bush and Obama were pretty much the same.

They weren't....the law at the time said US businesses couldn't do business there.

Obama relaxed those laws, in an attempt to bailout the oppressive, tyrants that ran Cuba

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

Not really our responsibility to help our self declared enemies.

Help? A business selling their products are helping themselves.

Trade policy is a national government function. But thank you for not denying that they are our enemy.

They may be yours but not mine. They never did a thing to me but all the same, national policy or not it is NOT free market.

So, you don't consider an enemy of your nation an enemy of yours?

IF they were waging war, killing your fellow citizens would you care? IF they came for you, would you expect your fellow citizens to fight to protect you?

They never did anything to us. They are doing none of those things.

1996 shootdown of Brothers to the Rescue aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1996 shootdown of Brothers to the Rescue aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pknopp]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

You said it right in this thread.

Then you should copy and paste my exact words.
I'm happy to point out your error.

You support our actions in Cuba. I don't need to further explain that.

Cuba doesn't have a free market....and the US had nothing to do with Cuba deciding not to have a free market and adopt the Socialist plan....that has obvious results like we are seeing, and have seen.

They do not but it wasn't Cuba stopping U.S. companies from doing business in Cuba but your answer is saying they are no different than the U.S. as far as markets go.

The US doesn't have a socialist market. The Cuban Govt does, and their actions...such as attempting to get nukes to aim at us, as well as oppress their people etc..are why we don't do business with them.

It's the actions of the left wing socialist Govt of Cuba. Not the US

You can make up whatever labels you wish. The government tells business who they can do business with, who they can't and how they must do it. You are simply arguing we don't go quite as far as Cuba.

 

[Correll]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

Not really our responsibility to help our self declared enemies.

Help? A business selling their products are helping themselves.

Trade policy is a national government function. But thank you for not denying that they are our enemy.

They may be yours but not mine. They never did a thing to me but all the same, national policy or not it is NOT free market.

So, you don't consider an enemy of your nation an enemy of yours?

IF they were waging war, killing your fellow citizens would you care? IF they came for you, would you expect your fellow citizens to fight to protect you?

They never did anything to us. They are doing none of those things.

You've made a statement that you do not consider the enemy of your nation to be your personal enemy.

Are you standing by that?

 

[struth]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

You said it right in this thread.

Then you should copy and paste my exact words.
I'm happy to point out your error.

You support our actions in Cuba. I don't need to further explain that.

Cuba doesn't have a free market....and the US had nothing to do with Cuba deciding not to have a free market and adopt the Socialist plan....that has obvious results like we are seeing, and have seen.

They do not but it wasn't Cuba stopping U.S. companies from doing business in Cuba but your answer is saying they are no different than the U.S. as far as markets go.

The US doesn't have a socialist market. The Cuban Govt does, and their actions...such as attempting to get nukes to aim at us, as well as oppress their people etc..are why we don't do business with them.

It's the actions of the left wing socialist Govt of Cuba. Not the US

You can make up whatever labels you wish. The government tells business who they can do business with, who they can't and how they must do it. You are simply arguing we don't go quite as far as Cuba.

what labels am I making up?

It's not socialist for a Govt to have sanctions on foreign countries. Do you not know what socialism is?

 

[pknopp]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

Not really our responsibility to help our self declared enemies.

Help? A business selling their products are helping themselves.

Trade policy is a national government function. But thank you for not denying that they are our enemy.

They may be yours but not mine. They never did a thing to me but all the same, national policy or not it is NOT free market.

So, you don't consider an enemy of your nation an enemy of yours?

IF they were waging war, killing your fellow citizens would you care? IF they came for you, would you expect your fellow citizens to fight to protect you?

They never did anything to us. They are doing none of those things.

You've made a statement that you do not consider the enemy of your nation to be your personal enemy.

Are you standing by that?

I stand by everything I say. You see an enemy around every corner and it costs the county many young lives and billions and billions of dollars.

 

[surada]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

Remember the huge oil discovery off of Cuba? They invited all the oil majors to a meeting in Mexico City.. I think it was at the Marriott. Bush threatened them.. Must have been about 2006 or so.

I believe the oil discovery was 2008...Octoberish...during the Obama regime...and it was the Obama regime that raised concerns a few years later: Oil discovery in Cuba gets US notice

Nonetheless, all nothing was found and the oil companies left a by 2013: Companies abandon search for oil in Cuba's deep waters

Nice attempt to rewrite history though and try to blame the US, and a republican.

Nope. It was when Dubya was president. Feb 2006

https://cri.fiu.edu/research/commissioned-reports/oil-cuba-alvarado.pdf

The Reality of a Cuban Oil Bonanza
In December 2004, the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro announced that they had
discovered a significant oil reserve off the northwest coast of the island. More
importantly, the potential of the oil finds could dramatically decrease the island’s
dependence on imported oil and could serve as boon to the Cuban economy. There has
been much conjecture of the size and scope of oil reserves in the 59 offshore tracts in
Cuban exclusive economic zone (EEZ). The working estimates are that there are a
potential of 120 thousand barrels of oil per day, perhaps more, but the sea floor is over a
mile deep and the oil reserves perhaps an additional 3,000 feet beneath the sea floor.

Looks like the Obama regime continued to have concerns as I highlighted...I don't see where Bush did anything you suggested though....

With that said...it appears the Castro regime lied anyway...as no oil was found and companies left....typical leftist...nothing but lies

Many have noted that Bush and Obama were pretty much the same.

They weren't....the law at the time said US businesses couldn't do business there.

Obama relaxed those laws, in an attempt to bailout the oppressive, tyrants that ran Cuba

Yes. I know.. I was wrong .. it was Sheraton in Mexico City not Marriott that Bush threatened. ... Obama did lift the sanctions, but Trump shut down the Marriott in Havana as soon as he took office.

 

[BS Filter]

You posted your opinion. I posted a PBS analysis. Keep whining.

A PBS analysis means nothing in the context of this issue.
I'm not "whining". I have nothing to whine about.

Again, sixty years of US policy towards Cuba went before whatever you think Trump did.

That's like saying the very last time you were slapped by your mother, not all the times before,
turned you into the pathetic clown you are. Now fuck off and stay fucked off!

Bullshit.

You posted your opinion. I posted a PBS analysis. Keep whining.

A PBS analysis means nothing in the context of this issue.
I'm not "whining". I have nothing to whine about.

Again, sixty years of US policy towards Cuba went before whatever you think Trump did.

That's like saying the very last time you were slapped by your mother, not all the times before,
turned you into the pathetic clown you now are. Now fuck off and stay fucked off!

Obama rolled back sanctions and made things easier for the communist regime in Cuba. So you lose again.

Yeah, Obama made things easier for his commie pals and friends.
Trump went back to the way it's been for decades.

I guess the new Cuban leader isn't doing so well. So what?
Trump isn't president any longer, genius.

So what? So President Trump's policies were influencing what's happening in Cuba right now. You're going round in circles now.

U.S. Vows Only to 'Condemn' Cuba Violence As Havana Accuses Washington

Thousands protested in Havana, as well as San Antonio de los Baños and Palma Soriano, on July 11 to demand President Miguel Diaz-Canel step down.

www.newsweek.com

As people in Cuba begin to protest their government because of shortages and long lines and a failing economy, etc., government officials in Cuba blame the US for all their ills.

So is the US to blame? On the one hand, Marxists want to destroy the US, but on the other hand, seem to complain when the US does not help them economically or boycotts them economically. Why then do they want to destroy the US economy that they seem to need?

Either that or there is some other hidden way the US is destroying Cuba

Anyone?

And the only response from Joe Biden is that he condemns any violence. There is no support for anyone as he basically ignores what is gong on.

I assume Bernie Sanders is having a panic attack and does blame the US

So what about you?

The US is entirely at fault.
First of all, the US established the dictatorship of Batista that required the Cubans to rebel and install Castro originally.
Second is that the US threatens economic sanctions on any country trading with Cuba, which is illegal and destroys their economy.
Even the US economic sanctions against Cuba violate US law.

Nor is Cuba Marxist, and Cuba has never harmed or stated an intention to harm the US.

You're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

Did the US install Batista as an evil dictator?

Yes, without a doubt.

{...
Fulgencio Batista y Zaldívar (/bəˈtiːstə/;[1] Spanish: [fulˈxensjo βaˈtista i salˈdiβaɾ]; born Rubén Zaldívar,[2] January 16, 1901 – August 6, 1973) was a Cuban military officer and politician who served as the elected president of Cuba from 1940 to 1944 and as its U.S.-backed military dictator from 1952 to 1959 before being overthrown during the Cuban Revolution. Batista initially rose to power as part of the 1933 Revolt of the Sergeants, which overthrew the provisional government of Carlos Manuel de Céspedes y Quesada. He then appointed himself chief of the armed forces, with the rank of colonel and effectively controlled the five-member "pentarchy" that functioned as the collective head of state. He maintained this control through a string of puppet presidents until 1940, when he was himself elected President of Cuba on a populist platform.[3][4] He then instated the 1940 Constitution of Cuba[5] and served until 1944. After finishing his term, Batista moved to Florida, returning to Cuba to run for president in 1952. Facing certain electoral defeat, he led a military coup against President Carlos Prío Socarrás that pre-empted the election.[6]

Back in power and receiving financial, military and logistical support from the United States government,[7][8] Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[9] Eventually it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land.[10] As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships both with the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts.[9][11] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions. These murders mounted in 1957, as socialist ideas became more influential. Many people were killed, with estimates ranging from hundreds to about 20,000 people killed.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18]

Catalyzing the resistance to such tactics, for two years (December 1956 – December 1958) Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement and other rebelling elements led an urban- and rural-based guerrilla uprising against Batista's government, which culminated in his eventual defeat by rebels under the command of Che Guevara at the Battle of Santa Clara on New Year's Day 1959. Batista immediately fled the island with an amassed personal fortune to the Dominican Republic, where strongman and previous military ally Rafael Trujillo held power. Batista eventually found political asylum in Oliveira Salazar's Portugal, where he first lived on the island of Madeira and then in Estoril. He was involved in business activities in Spain and was staying there in Guadalmina at the time of his death from a heart attack on August 6, 1973.[19]
...}

Fulgencio Batista - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anyone who uses Wikipedia as a credible source is a lazy amateur. Go do some authentic research.

 

[BS Filter]

So what? So President Trump's policies were influencing what's happening in Cuba right now. You're going round in circles now.

What is happening in Cuba right now? People that want the government there dissolved and their country
back? You want to blame Trump for the 60 years of authoritarian dictatorships in Cuba?

Are you nuts? Fuck off! This is over for you. Run along child.
Biden has lifted the embargo. The unrest in Cuba goes on. The problem is 62 years of authoritarian governments there.

For over 60 years American Cubans have sent money to families in Cuba. President Trump stopped it. I understand that you hate Trump, but the guy was effective and did a lot of good things. That's why Democrats tried so hard to destroy him. Idiot.

 

[gipper]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

Communism failing has nothing to do with the trade embargo the US has imposed on Cuba for 60 FUCKING years.

 

[gipper]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

The U.S. does not stop the rest of the world from trading with Cuba, so that excuse doesn't wash.

Lol. This dumb response again. It’s like cons are trained in the same school by the same teacher.

YES THEY DID DUMMY!!!

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

For over 60 years American Cubans have sent money to families in Cuba. President Trump stopped it. I understand that you hate Trump, but the guy was effective and did a lot of good things. That's why Democrats tried so hard to destroy him. Idiot.

I voted for Trump. Idiot.

 

[BS Filter]

Awesome!!

When did Jacob Hornberger become someone whose opinion I give a shit about?

If any Third World nations targeted by U.S. sanctions or embargoes were First World nations, there is little doubt that they would respond with a military counterattack against the United States.

He is pretty funny. He should do stand-up.

We sanction Russia and China I believe.

Where is the little doubted military response from Putin or Xi Jinping?

So much for Jacob Hornberger. Do quit your day job, Jacob.

The country with the biggest military can do what ever it wants, without much military risk, but it is still illegal and immoral what we do.

Is it immoral to fly passenger planes into buildings full of people? Is it immoral to spend money given to you for food and medicine on bombs? Is it immoral to indoctrinate children to hate Jews and teach them how to launch missiles at civilians simply because they're Jewish? You have a lot of nerve calling the USA immoral.

 

[BS Filter]

For over 60 years American Cubans have sent money to families in Cuba. President Trump stopped it. I understand that you hate Trump, but the guy was effective and did a lot of good things. That's why Democrats tried so hard to destroy him. Idiot.

I voted for Trump. Idiot.

Then you should give him credit for being a big part of what's happening now in Cuba. Ding dong.

 

[gipper]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

The U.S. does not stop the rest of the world from trading with Cuba, so that excuse doesn't wash.

Cuba made a calculated decision to side with the former USSR for political power against the US, so why not just take their medicine like they asked for?

They simply chose a failing ideology to side with and subsequent failing economy.

Wrong again. You’re wrong a lot.

When Castro came to power he tried to have a good relationship with the US. The US said fuck off, we love our big corporations and oil companies raping your land and controlling your people. Hence, he had no choice but to seek help from the USSR.

We’ve seen this picture before…Ho Chi Minh tried the same thing with the US, but got the same response.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Lol. This dumb response again. It’s like cons are trained in the same school by the same teacher.

YES THEY DID DUMMY!!!

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

Your citation is a UK leftist cite that touts Venezuela and it's party line.
Try harder to find a site that is at least nominally honest and unbiased. Then start over again.

Your credence meter is falling into the red if not already there.

 

[gipper]

Lol. This dumb response again. It’s like cons are trained in the same school by the same teacher.

YES THEY DID DUMMY!!!

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

Your citation is a UK leftist cite that touts Venezuela and it's party line.
Try harder to find a site that is at least nominally honest and unbiased. Then start over again.

Your credence meter is falling into the red if not already there.

Fuck off.

 

[gipper]

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

So you don't have a link? OK.

Remember the huge oil discovery off of Cuba? They invited all the oil majors to a meeting in Mexico City.. I think it was at the Marriott. Bush threatened them.. Must have been about 2006 or so.

I believe the oil discovery was 2008...Octoberish...during the Obama regime...and it was the Obama regime that raised concerns a few years later: Oil discovery in Cuba gets US notice

Nonetheless, all nothing was found and the oil companies left a by 2013: Companies abandon search for oil in Cuba's deep waters

Nice attempt to rewrite history though and try to blame the US, and a republican.

Nope. It was when Dubya was president. Feb 2006

https://cri.fiu.edu/research/commissioned-reports/oil-cuba-alvarado.pdf

The Reality of a Cuban Oil Bonanza
In December 2004, the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro announced that they had
discovered a significant oil reserve off the northwest coast of the island. More
importantly, the potential of the oil finds could dramatically decrease the island’s
dependence on imported oil and could serve as boon to the Cuban economy. There has
been much conjecture of the size and scope of oil reserves in the 59 offshore tracts in
Cuban exclusive economic zone (EEZ). The working estimates are that there are a
potential of 120 thousand barrels of oil per day, perhaps more, but the sea floor is over a
mile deep and the oil reserves perhaps an additional 3,000 feet beneath the sea floor.

Looks like the Obama regime continued to have concerns as I highlighted...I don't see where Bush did anything you suggested though....

With that said...it appears the Castro regime lied anyway...as no oil was found and companies left....typical leftist...nothing but lies

Many have noted that Bush and Obama were pretty much the same.

They weren't....the law at the time said US businesses couldn't do business there.

Obama relaxed those laws, in an attempt to bailout the oppressive, tyrants that ran Cuba

Yes. I know.. I was wrong .. it was Sheraton in Mexico City not Marriott that Bush threatened. ... Obama did lift the sanctions, but Trump shut down the Marriott in Havana as soon as he took office.

And old Joe continues dumb Don’s policy, yet wingers on both sides think the two assholes are somehow diametrically opposed. CRAZY!