Islam. The religion of peace, tolerance and truth?

[Lipush]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

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Now "stolen" isn't the word I'll choose to use, but...

 

[Lipush]

"Islam" has not declared war on the U.S.

Certain people- who claim to be Muslim, and may even legitimately believe they are Muslim, and have used Islam to rally people to their own cause- have declared war.

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According to Islam, it's an obligation to be Muslims first, then be Americans, and that's the true danger. Once they start believe all the bullshit ISIS feeds them day and night, you will have a big problem.

 

[Coyote]

"Islam" has not declared war on the U.S.

Certain people- who claim to be Muslim, and may even legitimately believe they are Muslim, and have used Islam to rally people to their own cause- have declared war.

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According to Islam, it's an obligation to be Muslims first, then be Americans, and that's the true danger. Once they start believe all the bullshit ISIS feeds them day and night, you will have a big problem.

Islamic FAQ - Islam

Q17: Do Muslims have loyalty to their faith before the country they live in? (Back to Top)

Islam does not draw any distinction between loyalty to one's faith and nation. Muslims who enjoy the liberty to practice and preach their faith are required to honour the government of their country, and to live as decent, law-abiding citizens.


For the first thirteen years of his ministry, Prophet Muhammad(saw) and his followers were persecuted citizens in Makkah, yet within that period they never raised arms against their oppressors as they were still able to fulfill certain religious duties.


Prophet Muhammad(saw) is reported to have said:


‘Love for one's country is part of faith’ (Sakhavi)


Muslims are therefore required to live by this noble teaching and remain loyal to their country. [see also ‘What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land?’]​

 

[Coyote]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

 

[Hollie]

The caveat, of course, to the taqiyya speak we hear from moslems regarding obeying the laws of the kafir Is clearly delineated with: ".... as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion."

Muhammud (swish) was careful to identify the exceptions where the laws of the kafir are shirk, thus moslems have an excuse to be exempt from the laws of the hated infidel.


Obeying the Law of the Land in the West - IslamQA

Is there any evidence that Muslims must “obey the laws of the land” they live in – be that us living the West or those in Muslim countries (in the absence of Khilafah)?


ANSWER

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is a Islamic state (al-khilafa), Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.

Some Muslims are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state (al-Khilafa), which is totally incorrect. Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east, as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion.

 

[Hollie]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

 

[Coyote]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

 

[Coyote]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

 

[Hollie]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

 

[Coyote]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Perhaps this is the time for you to brush up on your reading skills.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

You have a problem with pointing out facts?

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

All the Abrahamic faiths have a built-in back door for lying.

 

[Hollie]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

 

[Coyote]

If there is a god, he knows us. Islam was stolen from Judaism .

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

Actually, not at all.

 

[Hollie]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Perhaps this is the time for you to brush up on your reading skills.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

You have a problem with pointing out facts?

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

All the Abrahamic faiths have a built-in back door for lying.

And Islamism has an entire, built-in infrastructure for lying fir the sake of religion.

You hoped to conceal that with the article you linked to.

Ain't taqiyya a wonderful thing?

 

[Hollie]

That's just like saying that Christianity was "stolen from Judaism".

​

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

Actually, not at all.

Actually, the politico-religious ideology invented by Muhammud (swish) co-opted entire portions of both judaism and Christianity to include the historical religious characters of those earlier religions.

 

[Coyote]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Perhaps this is the time for you to brush up on your reading skills.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

You have a problem with pointing out facts?

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

All the Abrahamic faiths have a built-in back door for lying.

And Islamism has an entire, built-in infrastructure for lying fir the sake of religion.

You hoped to conceal that with the article you linked to.

Ain't taqiyya a wonderful thing?

They all do. What's your issue with it? Each of the Abrahamic faiths were persecuted at one time and all considered lying a sin. Sometimes lying is needed to save lives or faith. Thus a built in back door. It's not rocket science but you seem to be stuck on it. At least in relation to Islam.

 

[Coyote]

And Judaism was stolen from even older faiths. Most religions contain elements of older religions within them and certain memes are common to many such as birth/death/rebirth/salvation and the Golden Rule.

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

Actually, not at all.

Actually, the politico-religious ideology invented by Muhammud (swish) co-opted entire portions of both judaism and Christianity to include the historical religious characters of those earlier religions.

Well duh, what do you think Christianity did? Mormanism? How many devils, angels and characters of all 3 were plucked from earlier politheistic religions to occupy new pantheons?

 

[Hollie]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Perhaps this is the time for you to brush up on your reading skills.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

You have a problem with pointing out facts?

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

All the Abrahamic faiths have a built-in back door for lying.

And Islamism has an entire, built-in infrastructure for lying fir the sake of religion.

You hoped to conceal that with the article you linked to.

Ain't taqiyya a wonderful thing?

They all do. What's your issue with it? Each of the Abrahamic faiths were persecuted at one time and all considered lying a sin. Sometimes lying is needed to save lives or faith. Thus a built in back door. It's not rocket science but you seem to be stuck on it. At least in relation to Islam.

Taqiyya, as applied by moslems, is not something you can excuse by making claims such as "but.... but..... but...... but they do it too"

How silly. You're hoping to sidestep your own use of islamist allowed dishonesty by selectively copying and pasting that which furthered your agenda.

 

[Hollie]

And, as we know, Muhammud (swish) stole ruthlessly from both christianity and Judaism in the invention of his politico-religious ideology.

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

Actually, not at all.

Actually, the politico-religious ideology invented by Muhammud (swish) co-opted entire portions of both judaism and Christianity to include the historical religious characters of those earlier religions.

Well duh, what do you think Christianity did? Mormanism? How many devils, angels and characters of all 3 were plucked from earlier politheistic religions to occupy new pantheons?

Well duh, we just need to understand that your claims suggesting that moslems must obey the law of the land is taqiyya-speak.

 

[Coyote]

Most religions have an "out" where by the worshipper can't be forced to follow a law that forces them to go against the ethics of their faith. Interesting that you point out taqiyya - are you aware that both Judaism and Christianity have their own "taqiyya" where it's permissable to lie, including in Christianity, lying in order to spread the faith?

Interesting that you acknowledge you were not being honest.

Perhaps this is the time for you to brush up on your reading skills.

Typical that you you would excuse your dishonesty with the juvenile "but.... but..... but..... but look over there at what the Jews and Christians do"

You have a problem with pointing out facts?

How convenient that Muhammud (swish) in the invention of his politico-religious ideology gave moslems a built-in allowance for dishonesty.

All the Abrahamic faiths have a built-in back door for lying.

And Islamism has an entire, built-in infrastructure for lying fir the sake of religion.

You hoped to conceal that with the article you linked to.

Ain't taqiyya a wonderful thing?

They all do. What's your issue with it? Each of the Abrahamic faiths were persecuted at one time and all considered lying a sin. Sometimes lying is needed to save lives or faith. Thus a built in back door. It's not rocket science but you seem to be stuck on it. At least in relation to Islam.

Taqiyya, as applied by moslems, is not something you can excuse by making claims such as "but.... but..... but...... but they do it too"

How silly. You're hoping to sidestep your own use of islamist allowed dishonesty by selectively copying and pasting that which furthered your agenda.

Still pretending to be a scholar I see. Your ignorance of the use of religiously-sanctioned dishonesty and foolish belief that it is somehow peculiar to Islam is telling.

 

[Coyote]

Islam was built upon prior religions, a not unusual occurance. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, you appear incensed that anyone would point out that Muhammud (swish) stole entire parts of the core elements of judaism and Christianity in the manufacture of his invented politico-religious ideology.

Actually, not at all.

Actually, the politico-religious ideology invented by Muhammud (swish) co-opted entire portions of both judaism and Christianity to include the historical religious characters of those earlier religions.

Well duh, what do you think Christianity did? Mormanism? How many devils, angels and characters of all 3 were plucked from earlier politheistic religions to occupy new pantheons?

Well duh, we just need to understand that your claims suggesting that moslems must obey the law of the land is taqiyya-speak.

According to whom?