Israeli Defense Minister HAMMERS obama

[toastman]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

 

[Kondor3]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

Yep... that's what he's saying, alright...

But that doesn't make it so...

 

[georgephillip]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

Who would you blame?

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[edit]

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths.

"A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members.

"ORB reported that '48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.'"

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every excess death in Iraq since March 2003 can be attributed to the illegal US invasion and occupation, not unlike every excess death in Palestine since '48 can be layed at the feet of Zionism.

 

[Kondor3]

You mean maimed, murdered and displaced millions of Iraqis?

Indeed.

Rather than lumping-together those figures, to put Injury and Displacement on a par with Death.

Doesn't work like that.

Oh, and, by the way, I know of no Iraqis that the Americans have murdered.

Killed during and collateral-to combat, yes... casualties of war.

Murdered?

Not so much.

Certainly not in their millions.

And that doesn't even begin to touch the much larger numbers of Iraqis killed by other Iraqis, once the Baath Party death-grip on the throats of the population had been broken.

Casualties of an illegal war are murder victims:

You need to examine the legal definition of war.

You need to examine the legal definition of war-casualty.

You need to examine the legal definition of murder.

Afterwards, you need to find the except in operative and binding International Law which defines the entire range of casualties from an Illegal War as 'Murder' in the legal sense.

Until then, I'm going to set aside your claim, as unsubstantiated.

"Legality of the Iraq War

"The legality of the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been widely debated since the United States, United Kingdom, and a coalition of other countries launched the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: 'From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal.'[1][2]

"The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court reported in February 2006 that he had received 240 communications in connection with the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 which alleged that various war crimes had been committed.

"The political leaders of the US and UK have argued the war was legal, while many legal experts and other international leaders have argued that it was illegal.

"US and UK officials have argued that existing UN Security Council resolutions related to the 1991 Gulf War and the subsequent ceasefire (660, 678), and to later inspections of Iraqi weapons programs (1441), had already authorized the invasion.[3]

"Critics of the invasion have challenged both of these assertions, arguing that an additional Security Council resolution, which the US and UK failed to obtain, would have been necessary to specifically authorize the invasion.[1][4][5]"

Legality of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wake me up when you have a final Judgment or Finding from jurisdictionally competent international legal authority which explicitly declares the 2003 Iraq War to be illegal.

Not debates... not discussion... not opinion on the part of international officials... not the non-binding opinion of a variety of lawyers or judges... not broadly and diversely interpretable statute... not white papers... but specific Legal Rulings... on the part of the World Court, or the International Criminal Court, or other legally competent authority...

Even a specifically and explicitly Condemnatory Resolution on the part of the UN General Assembly would lend some vague legitimacy to the claim... not proposals, but operative (successfully adopted) Resolutions.

Until such a Ruling or Condemnatory Resolution is presented, your claims to Illegality are purely a matter of opinion... personal or otherwise.

Therefore, until you can demonstrate Illegality in such a fashion, we cannot even begin to examine your blanket claims to 'Murder', in a legal context - not that you have a snowball's-chance-in-Hell of making that stick, in a legal context.

But thank you for playing...

 

[Roudy]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

In other words what he's saying is they are animals with no self control and when humans let them out of their cages, the humans are responsible when the animals start killing each other. Makes sense, all you have to do is agree with him on those basic points.

 

[toastman]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

Who would you blame?

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[edit]

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths.

"A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members.

"ORB reported that '48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.'"

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every excess death in Iraq since March 2003 can be attributed to the illegal US invasion and occupation, not unlike every excess death in Palestine since '48 can be layed at the feet of Zionism.

Who would I blame?? Simple. The motherfuckers that are bombing and shooting Iraqi civilians/police in the name of Allah.
Or in other words, I would blame those people who are directly involved in these killings Georgie. Why do you choose to ignore these violent militants?

 

[toastman]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

In other words what he's saying is they are animals with no self control and when humans let them out of their cages, the humans are responsible when the animals start killing each other. Makes sense, all you have to do is agree with him on those basic points.

A day hasn't passed where we haven't heard about some Muslim terrorist blowing himself in a mosque or super market. I genuinely feel bad for the good people of Iraq who simply want peace and quiet.

 

[Sally]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

Who would you blame?

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[edit]

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths.

"A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members.

"ORB reported that '48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.'"

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every excess death in Iraq since March 2003 can be attributed to the illegal US invasion and occupation, not unlike every excess death in Palestine since '48 can be layed at the feet of Zionism.

Who would I blame?? Simple. The motherfuckers that are bombing and shooting Iraqi civilians/police in the name of Allah.
Or in other words, I would blame those people who are directly involved in these killings Georgie. Why do you choose to ignore these violent militants?

It's becaise his favprote scapegpats. the Jews, aren't involved. Do you ever see Herr George say anything about those savages who are responsible for all those dead bodies in Syria? Did you ever see him say anything about those unfortunate Syrians who are refugees living in tents, especially during the cold of winter. No sirree, as long as Herr George is comfortable in his one-room apartment away from inclement weather, he is one happy fellow and the heck with anyone else who might be suffering.

 

[georgephillip]

Georgie is basically saying that any incidents of bombings/mass murder/suicide attacks on Iraqis from other Iraqi militant groups or foreign militant groups is blamed on the U.S.

Who would you blame?

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[edit]

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths.

"A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members.

"ORB reported that '48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.'"

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every excess death in Iraq since March 2003 can be attributed to the illegal US invasion and occupation, not unlike every excess death in Palestine since '48 can be layed at the feet of Zionism.

Who would I blame?? Simple. The motherfuckers that are bombing and shooting Iraqi civilians/police in the name of Allah.
Or in other words, I would blame those people who are directly involved in these killings Georgie. Why do you choose to ignore these violent militants?

"On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths."

Between March 2003 and September 2007 ALL excess deaths in Iraq, regardless of which religious "motherfucker" (Muslim, Jew, or Christian) pulled the trigger happened because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world illegally invaded another sovereign state.

Why do you continually blame the victims of US/Israeli aggression?

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

Who would you blame?

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll[edit]

"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths.

"A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members.

"ORB reported that '48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance.'"

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every excess death in Iraq since March 2003 can be attributed to the illegal US invasion and occupation, not unlike every excess death in Palestine since '48 can be layed at the feet of Zionism.

Who would I blame?? Simple. The motherfuckers that are bombing and shooting Iraqi civilians/police in the name of Allah.
Or in other words, I would blame those people who are directly involved in these killings Georgie. Why do you choose to ignore these violent militants?

"On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths."

Between March 2003 and September 2007 ALL excess deaths in Iraq, regardless of which religious "motherfucker" (Muslim, Jew, or Christian) pulled the trigger happened because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world illegally invaded another sovereign state.

Why do you continually blame the victims of US/Israeli aggression?

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

 

[Hossfly]

Who would I blame?? Simple. The motherfuckers that are bombing and shooting Iraqi civilians/police in the name of Allah.
Or in other words, I would blame those people who are directly involved in these killings Georgie. Why do you choose to ignore these violent militants?

"On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths."

Between March 2003 and September 2007 ALL excess deaths in Iraq, regardless of which religious "motherfucker" (Muslim, Jew, or Christian) pulled the trigger happened because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world illegally invaded another sovereign state.

Why do you continually blame the victims of US/Israeli aggression?

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

 

[georgephillip]

"On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths."

Between March 2003 and September 2007 ALL excess deaths in Iraq, regardless of which religious "motherfucker" (Muslim, Jew, or Christian) pulled the trigger happened because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world illegally invaded another sovereign state.

Why do you continually blame the victims of US/Israeli aggression?

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

Why don't you compare the number of suicide bombings in Iraq today with those of February 2003?

 

[Roudy]

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

Why don't you compare the number of suicide bombings in Iraq today with those of February 2003?

In February 2003 they were under the iron fist of a brutal madman named Sadam. Would you like a list of what he did to his own people, you freaking moron? LOL

 

[Roudy]

"On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths."

Between March 2003 and September 2007 ALL excess deaths in Iraq, regardless of which religious "motherfucker" (Muslim, Jew, or Christian) pulled the trigger happened because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world illegally invaded another sovereign state.

Why do you continually blame the victims of US/Israeli aggression?

ORB survey of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

I'm wondering under what circumstances does George feel Muslims themselves are to blame for their savagery. Ha ha.

 

[toastman]

LOL George thinks its America's fault some Muslim savage straps a bomb onto himself and blows up a market filled with fellow Muslim women and kids.

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

I'm wondering under what circumstances does George feel Muslims themselves are to blame for their savagery. Ha ha.

According to George, Zionism/Israel is responsible for all the violence in the Middle East

 

[Roudy]

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

I'm wondering under what circumstances does George feel Muslims themselves are to blame for their savagery. Ha ha.

According to George, Zionism/Israel is responsible for all the violence in the Middle East

Yup, that includes all the corruption, oppression, persecution, murders, rapes, and robberies. It's all da Jooos fault I tell ya!

 

[georgephillip]

George and his brethern are still blaming Bush for all those suicide bombings.

Why don't you compare the number of suicide bombings in Iraq today with those of February 2003?

In February 2003 they were under the iron fist of a brutal madman named Sadam. Would you like a list of what he did to his own people, you freaking moron? LOL

How many Iraqis think they are better off today than before Mi$$ion Accompli$hed?

 

[toastman]

Why don't you compare the number of suicide bombings in Iraq today with those of February 2003?

In February 2003 they were under the iron fist of a brutal madman named Sadam. Would you like a list of what he did to his own people, you freaking moron? LOL

How many Iraqis think they are better off today than before Mi$$ion Accompli$hed?

This question reminds me of a documentary by VICE about life in Iraq after the U.S left .
The narrator approached a group of young/middle aged Iraqis who were doing tricks on their motor cycles and were dressed with leather jackets and tight black biker pants. You know, like an American biker.
Anyway, he asked them if they preferred like in Iraq before or after Saddams reign. Many shouted that they preferred life without Saddam because frankly, with him as the dictator, they certainly would not be allowed to dress or act lime they were. Others shouted that they preferred like with Saddam as the Iraqi dictator because if the stability he brought.
I bring this up because personally, I find that most Iraqis would prefer freedom that they didn't have with Saddam. But of course there will always be a minority who supported him and the 'stability' he brought to Iraq....

I wonder if such a poll has ever been conducted..

 

[Roudy]

Why don't you compare the number of suicide bombings in Iraq today with those of February 2003?

In February 2003 they were under the iron fist of a brutal madman named Sadam. Would you like a list of what he did to his own people, you freaking moron? LOL

How many Iraqis think they are better off today than before Mi$$ion Accompli$hed?

$o you think Iraq and Iraqis were better off under that lunatic $adam and his $ons than a free and semi democratic country they are today? Only a $HMUCK would $ay that.

 

[Roudy]

In February 2003 they were under the iron fist of a brutal madman named Sadam. Would you like a list of what he did to his own people, you freaking moron? LOL

How many Iraqis think they are better off today than before Mi$$ion Accompli$hed?

This question reminds me of a documentary by VICE about life in Iraq after the U.S left .
The narrator approached a group of young/middle aged Iraqis who were doing tricks on their motor cycles and were dressed with leather jackets and tight black biker pants. You know, like an American biker.
Anyway, he asked them if they preferred like in Iraq before or after Saddams reign. Many shouted that they preferred life without Saddam because frankly, with him as the dictator, they certainly would not be allowed to dress or act lime they were. Others shouted that they preferred like with Saddam as the Iraqi dictator because if the stability he brought.
I bring this up because personally, I find that most Iraqis would prefer freedom that they didn't have with Saddam. But of course there will always be a minority who supported him and the 'stability' he brought to Iraq....

I wonder if such a poll has ever been conducted..

Sadam brought stability like N. Korean leader brings stability. He ruled with an iron fist and even dropped poison gas on those who dared oppose him. The people were for sure ecstatic to get rid of the madman.