"It's not theirs, Its mine"

[bripat9643]

dont be a douche,, everybody lies,,,

Especially progs.

 

[Lesh]

it was an inside job.

It was the GRU. Save the Q shit for GAB or whatever

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 3

What about nuclear secrets?

They are distinct, although for purposes of criminal law there is little substantive difference.

Congress has passed a law, the Atomic Energy Act, that imposes its own legal restrictions on mishandling information about how to build a nuclear bomb or enrich nuclear material. Such information is called “restricted data.” Legally, it is not the same thing as being “classified” under the executive order, although in everyday parlance people often refer to it as classified.

The law established a process for making decisions about downgrading such protections. For those involving military weapons, Congress mandated that the decision be made jointly by senior officials at the energy and defense departments; if the two departments disagree about whether to do so, the law says the president makes the final determination. So at a minimum, those officials must be involved in any decision to downgrade nuclear weapons information into so-called formerly restricted data.

The Atomic Energy Act made it a crime for officials to disclose restricted data without authorization. But whether or not dangerous nuclear weapons information remains deemed to be restricted data, the Espionage Act separately makes its unauthorized retention or disclosure a crime.

Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

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If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.


“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists.

Presidential power to declassify information, Explained

On Friday, Trump’s office claimed that when he was president, he had a “standing order” that materials “removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,” according to a statement read on Fox News

indianexpress.com

 

[bripat9643]

You have to understand that whatever the NYT says about Trump is biased and sometimes exaggerated and distorted. The Times will cherry pick a comment and expand on it enough to skew the entire meaning of the interview. That's the way the media works these days.

It's worse than that. They just flat out lie, just like the rest of the fake news.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have to understand that whatever the NYT says about Trump is biased and sometimes exaggerated and distorted. The Times will cherry pick a comment and expand on it enough to skew the entire meaning of the interview. That's the way the media works these days.

Such generalization. Do give an example.

 

[bripat9643]

It was the GRU. Save the Q shit for GAB or whatever

Prove it, asshole.

 

[jc456]

What do you think of the reports, trump was ratted out again by somebody close enough to him to know what was in the boxes not returned, when first demanded?

it's not about who so much, but about the what. He was allowed to have those documents as all presidents are.

They all get libraries. Ever hear of those?

 

[Lesh]

ARMED secret service agents. Nobody could get close to those documents just admit it. There I obliterated your entire pathetic Trump rant.

Hmmm...and that Chinese agent found wandering around M-a-L in 2019? Se had bags of thumb drives...numerous cell phones...and a laptop.

 

[jc456]

Such generalization. Do give an example.

says the demofk who can't say how what he did was illegal.

 

[jc456]

Hmmm...and that Chinese agent found wandering around M-a-L in 2019? Se had bags of thumb drives...numerous cell phones...and a laptop.

Hunter?

 

[Marener]

it was an inside job.

Hahahahaha! No.

Gullible loser.

 

[struth]

Trump would have the right to declassify, while in the WH, if he took something from the Oval Office to his residence at the White House, his bedroom, etc.......not to Mar O Lago after leaving office. They cannot be in his possession without proper declassification procedure to take to Mar O Lago.
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Part 1

Apart from whether there is any evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”

What is the classification system?

It is the administrative process by which the federal government controls how executive branch officials handle information whose potential public exposure is deemed likely to damage national security.

Officials with the authority to classify or declassify matters can deem information as falling into three categories: confidential, secret or top secret. Access to particularly sensitive information can be restricted even further with a designation of SCI, for sensitive compartmented information.

If information is classified, access to it is restricted. Any documents containing that information are supposed to be marked, and only officials with proper security clearances — and a “need to know” — are permitted to see them or be told of their contents. There are also rules limiting how they can be stored, physically transported or electronically transmitted.

The legal basis for the classification system comes from the president’s constitutional authority as commander in chief. Presidents have established and developed it through a series of executive orders dating to the era encompassing World War II and the early Cold War. The current directive, Executive Order 13526, was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.

Presidential power to declassify information, Explained

On Friday, Trump’s office claimed that when he was president, he had a “standing order” that materials “removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,” according to a statement read on Fox News

indianexpress.com

Charlie at the NYT is wrong....obviously that's why they set up a room at at his house, Obama had one, Bush had one as well....they are allowed to take documents out of the WH complex.

EO are examples of standing orders.....Obama can have one, and Trump can override it...as your own article states, they are all set up on a series of standing orders, that can be overridden by the next guy

 

[BluesLegend]

Hmmm...and that Chinese agent found wandering around M-a-L in 2019? Se had bags of thumb drives...numerous cell phones...and a laptop.

I think you are confusing Trump with Diane Feinstein and other Dem leaders in cahoots with CHINA. Who bitch slapped CHINA for 4 years? Yeah, Trump!

 

[Lesh]

I think you are confusing Trump with Diane Feinstein and other Dem leaders in cahoots with CHINA. Who bitch slapped CHINA for 4 years? Yeah, Trump!

Nope. That happened.

What Was the Chinese Woman Arrested at Mar-a-Lago Really Up To? A Former Spy Helps Us Figure It Out.

Want to know whether she’s a bumbling Chinese spook or an innocent tourist who loves her hi-tech devices? This can help you figure it out.

www.politico.com

 

[jc456]

Charlie at the NYT is wrong....obviously that's why they set up a room at at his house, Obama had one, Bush had one as well....they are allowed to take documents out of the WH complex.

EO are examples of standing orders.....Obama can have one, and Trump can override it...as your own article states, they are all set up on a series of standing orders, that can be overridden by the next guy

absolutely nothing illegal about him having them.

 

[MagicMike]

Yes, Democrats break the law, violate the Constitution, violate the Patriot Act, spy in Americans and Presidents, engage in failed coup attempts, ...

No Dem has ever been the kind of threat to th we U.S. that Trump was, and still is.

"On Aug. 30, 2019, top spies learned the dangers of that approach. What unfolded that day became an infamous moment in the Trump presidency — one that former intelligence officials say perfectly illustrated his approach to dealing with state secrets. A former senior intelligence official with firsthand knowledge told NBC News that Trump did indeed tweet a highly classified image taken by a secret spy satellite, as many experts suspected at the time. And in doing so, the official and others said, Trump gave U.S. adversaries keen insights into the U.S. capabilities to spy from above."

A 2019 incident showed Trump's approach to state secrets, say ex officials

“He said, ‘Look, I’m the president, I can declassify anything,’” according to a former official.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have to understand that whatever the NYT says about Trump is biased and sometimes exaggerated and distorted. The Times will cherry pick a comment and expand on it enough to skew the entire meaning of the interview. That's the way the media works these days.

Lets clear something up.

Is citizen Donald Trump allowed to take Top Secret documents to his new residency after leaving office? Without any procedure, without any one even knowing that he may have taken them to his home as a citizen? He is not the President anymore, since January 2021. What could he be wanting with Top Secret documents.

And as the topic says, " They are not theirs, they are mine"

Are those Top Secret documents his? Do they belong to Donald Trump, citizen?

 

[Sixties Fan]

it's not about who so much, but about the what. He was allowed to have those documents as all presidents are.

They all get libraries. Ever hear of those?

Only as President, not as a citizen.

 

[Sixties Fan]

it's not about who so much, but about the what. He was allowed to have those documents as all presidents are.

They all get libraries. Ever hear of those?

Library documents are dealt by NARA. They all belong to NARA, controlled by NARA.

 

[Rogue AI]

Again… whether or not the items were declassified or not matters not at all.

It was illegal for him to HAVE them after he left office

Where is the redress? That is the problem with this, the Presidential Records Act is too broad and allows little or no distinction between private and presidential. Where do re-election documents belong? Clearly the incompetent FBI thought passports were Presidential Records, so there is definitely room to question and challenge some bureaucrat at the National Archives.