Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
None of that happened in his courtroom
Find a copy of the actual DOJ's petition - you say it doesn't contain it so you obviously have access to a copy. Read it. Post a link & copy to prove your claim.The DoJ's petition says nothing of prosecutorial misconduct or entrapment.
Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games."A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.
You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.
1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.
According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.
2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.
The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.
Are you ever not a retard?
CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)
Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...www.nytimes.com
Likewise, dope.Find a copy of the actual DOJ's petition - you say it doesn't contain it so you obviously have access to a copy. Read it. Post a link & copy to prove your claim.The DoJ's petition says nothing of prosecutorial misconduct or entrapment.
Likewise, dope.Prove your assertion.
So you admit you just posted a response based on something you don't even have / haven't read, that your response is
View attachment 337794
Thanks.
law.stanford.edu
Go find that 6 year old to bring you up to speed on the conversation.And what makes you think the logan act is about lying to your boss you stupid old manThe Logan Act says it is up to the FBI to investigate a govt employee who lies to his boss?Yeah!They were conducting a national security investigation.Hey idiot, background checks are done before he was hired. Please show me the statute the FBI was trying to enforce when Flynn lied to his boss.Hey Dummy, crimes are what FBI investigations are all about.
They don't investigate lies from an employee, ya raving lunatic.
The background investigation and records checks for Secret and Top Secret security clearance are mandated by Presidential Executive Order (EO).
the FBI conducts investigations on behalf of the White House, the White House security office makes the adjudicative decision.
Who Issues Security Clearances?
There is a difference between conducting a background investigation and issuing a security clearance. The actual clearance determinations are made by the agency issuing you a clearance. DCSA or NBIB are investigations providers. - Security Clearancenews.clearancejobs.com
The FBI investigates lies, it's their job in investigating security clearances.
This should be fun.
Michael Flynn - Wikipedia
On January 22, 2017, The Wall Street Journal reported that Flynn was under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents for his communications with Russian officials.
So?
WTF does that have to do with my question?
Do you have the statute the FBI was investigating because he lied to his boss? That was your claim.
the logan act you simple bastard
Please cut and paste the relevant part of The Logan Act that says that.
Yes, that's how they unmasked him
You stupid old man, lol
What other crime do you imagine they were investigating? And what makes you think the logan act is about lying to your boss you stupid old man? Hahahah
It's about subverting American foreign policy.
I never said it was. I was calling out the bullshit claim that Flynn lying to Pence was why the FBI reopened the case using the Logan Act. You really need to find a 6 year old to help you keep up with the conversation, Simpleton.
What does the claim Flynn lied have anything to do with the unmasking? It doesn't.
It has everythign to do with the logan act
The logan act was the beginning and end of their investigation.
Go find that 6 year old to bring you up to speed on the conversation.And what makes you think the logan act is about lying to your boss you stupid old manThe Logan Act says it is up to the FBI to investigate a govt employee who lies to his boss?Yeah!They were conducting a national security investigation.Hey idiot, background checks are done before he was hired. Please show me the statute the FBI was trying to enforce when Flynn lied to his boss.Hey Dummy, crimes are what FBI investigations are all about.
They don't investigate lies from an employee, ya raving lunatic.
The background investigation and records checks for Secret and Top Secret security clearance are mandated by Presidential Executive Order (EO).
the FBI conducts investigations on behalf of the White House, the White House security office makes the adjudicative decision.
Who Issues Security Clearances?
There is a difference between conducting a background investigation and issuing a security clearance. The actual clearance determinations are made by the agency issuing you a clearance. DCSA or NBIB are investigations providers. - Security Clearance
The FBI investigates lies, it's their job in investigating security clearances.
This should be fun.
Michael Flynn - Wikipedia
On January 22, 2017, The Wall Street Journal reported that Flynn was under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents for his communications with Russian officials.
So?
WTF does that have to do with my question?
Do you have the statute the FBI was investigating because he lied to his boss? That was your claim.
the logan act you simple bastard
Please cut and paste the relevant part of The Logan Act that says that.
Yes, that's how they unmasked him
You stupid old man, lol
What other crime do you imagine they were investigating? And what makes you think the logan act is about lying to your boss you stupid old man? Hahahah
It's about subverting American foreign policy.
I never said it was. I was calling out the bullshit claim that Flynn lying to Pence was why the FBI reopened the case using the Logan Act. You really need to find a 6 year old to help you keep up with the conversation, Simpleton.
What does the claim Flynn lied have anything to do with the unmasking? It doesn't.
It has everythign to do with the logan act
The logan act was the beginning and end of their investigation.
6 year old? what?
Do you not remember your schooling? When your teacher told you, you weren't college bound?
Where the fuck do you get this confidence? You are clearly a fucking retard. You know that. Why are you out here spilling out this vapid bullshit when you should be taking a walk to drop a few pounds you disgusting simpleton?
You are undoubtedly a greasy old man without the sense to know his place as a white trash pleb.
It was not behind the presidents back, Flynn requested Russia veto at the behest of kushner. If you believe that it still went against the US wishes then your position is America should have sold out it longest standing most helpful ally in the Middle East...or possibly that you wanted Russia to escalate. It was a perfectly fine and perfectly legal phone conversation. Comey would admit that. Again if y’all care so much about the Logan act, y’all were pretty quiet when then retired John Kerry went to speak the Iranians taking the opposite position of trump. Y’all know the Logan act claim is 100% bogus.Yes. Because it was behind the president of the united states back..... though the law has not been enforced, it is still the law... the Logan Act.So it was illegal to ask them not to escalate, and not to vote for Israel UN resolution....Or Flynn just wasn’t hyper specific with his conversation with pence, and the FBI pressured Flynn through his son, to take a bogus guilty plea. A story got leaked, and Trump was informed about the coming charges, thus the trump administration is pressured into asking for Flynn’s resignation.Wasn’t material to the investigation they had open which was looking into russian collusion on Flynn’s part. No where near the same “lying” to pence. Boy it would be nice to have the original 302s wouldn’t it? The case should’ve thrown out had Flynn’s original lawyers not fucked him over. Flynn would’ve never taken the plea had they not threatened to go after his son. The investigation into Russian collusion/misdeeds was effectively closed. Flynn’s “lie” wasn’t material to that investigation. For lying to FBI officials it has to be material to their investigation. Therefore immaterial. You can’t divide zero by zero.The fact that they were closing the case on the original investigation shows that anything he said would not be material to their investigation since they found no Russian ties or conspiracy or what have you. That’s more than just exculpatory, it proves his innocence. It was a perfectly legal conversation he had as part of the legal entity that is the Trump transition team. Exculpatory just means anything that could possibly cause the smallest shred of doubt. And it is the responsibility of the prosecution to turn it all over, or face a possible reversal or new trial. So it wasn’t just an oversight that all this Brady evidence wasn’t released to the defense.So you’re completely ignorant to all the exculpatory evidence that was released?Still didn’t answer the question. Why were they closing the case if they had him “dead to rights” with a lie?Oh, that's just right wing spin, that you chose to believe....So why were they closing the case if they knew he lied? Mind you we already have to evidence that this meeting was set up to a perjury trap, the agent wrote down his goal as “to get him to lie?”. So they were hypersensitive to sniffing out any lies, with the original transcripts in their possession. But they were going to close the case. No one on the left seems to be able to answer this question.Not solely a crime, but an official criminal investigation, right?The FBI was going to close the investigation against Flynn. We have documented proof of this, a closure EC was filed which is one of the last steps in closing a case. This was some of the Brady evidence that is now being released. It was being closed until a text from storzk came in telling them not too, and that it was coming from floor 27 (the top brass). The original investigation opened on Flynn was checking in on his ties with any Russian collusion. That case was being closed. In order to prosecute for lying, that lie has to be material to a crime. If there was no Russian collusion on Flynn’s part, how can his “lie” be material? I also go back to my original question, why, if they were so certain he lied, did they decide to close the case?Why was the FBI going to close the investigation with no recommendations of charges after Flynn’s interview (mind you they already had the transcripts of the call)? They would have known about the “illegal lie” then.It was hardly a lieCool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
Flynn lied about talking to Russians about sanctions response and the United Nations vote. Not "hardly", not "kinda", but actual, brazen and illegal.
Look I'm with you when you say calling Flynn all out treasonous is over the top, but you make yourself look like an idiot when you try to deny Flynn lied his ass off to everyone and their mother.
Let me have a deep state liberal named TRUMP explain it to you AGAIN:
I don't know what "closing" you are talking about. Agents conducting an interview (one of whom was Strzok) and their direct report (McCabe) were confused after the interview. On one hand, they picked up no body language indicating lying, on the other hand, they knew that what Flynn was telling them was directly contradicted by the information they had about the calls. Make no mistake about it, Flynn prepared extensively on delivering his lies.
All of this hay making is 100% moot because both the interview and conversations with Kysliak are ON TAPE. What FBI wanted or didn't want has nothing to with the ON TAPE fact that he lied.
Even Barr's motion to dismiss does not ever try to claim this ridiculous nonsense that Flynn supposedly didn't lie.
If the FBI are doing a criminal investigation in to a possible crime, you can not lie to an FBI investigator of that criminal investigation regarding that investigation.... that's the law.
it was a conversation, of one on the team, who had agreed to proceeding in a certain way, of which is REDACTED.....
he comes in the next morning and says, you know what guys, I have been thinking about the way we discussed yesterday....REDACTED
''and I don't think we should do it this way...... I mean/ what is the purpose of this interview? Is it for this? or for that? Is it to get him to lie? etc.. How would that be going easy on Flynn?''
Those were his comments to get the other guys to go with his way.... they were all with question marks, not statements of what they were doing....
and it ends with
"Do it by the book"
OF WHICH ya'll fail to mention..... the final statement....
None of the evidence released is exculpatory. Nothing they released changes the facts that Flynn lied.
That doesn’t really make any sense. Investigations are reopened when they have new information. If the initial investigation didn’t show anything bad, that doesn’t mean new information doesn’t need to be investigated. If the investigation had been closed BEFORE they learned about his lying to Pence, then they would have reopened it but they didn’t need to since it was never closed in the first place. The agents writing the memo to close the investigation hadn’t known about Flynn lying to Pence.
Regardless, that has no bearing on his innocence. Remember, he wasn’t found guilty of being a Russian asset. He was found guilty of lying to investigators.
Hell yes it was material. He was lying about what he was saying to Russians. That’s awfully damn suspicious.
Is your claim seriously that it was illegal for Flynn to ask the Russians not to escalate?
It weakens us, to have someone go to a foreign govt and work a deal, behind the President's back.
I am 100% certain that Trump would NOT tolerate such an action if it were done to him.
All Flynn needed to do is let the president know what he was going to do, or in the least, not lie about doing it, after he did it.....
Is that really asking too much from our future NSA director?
Uh-huh and all this time the Obama administration is admittedly wire-tapping political opposition when their own FBI said there was nothing to see and in the final steps of closing the case. Was it Russian collusion to ask that they don’t escalate tensions? Fuck no it wasn’t. There was nothing material in that call, let alone illegal. It’s SOP to always delete and destroy any records immaterial to a case for a wiretap. They didn’t.It was extremely improper. Everyone doubts the Logan Act is enforceable so I wouldn’t say it’s illegal.So it was illegal to ask them not to escalate, and not to vote for Israel UN resolution....Or Flynn just wasn’t hyper specific with his conversation with pence, and the FBI pressured Flynn through his son, to take a bogus guilty plea. A story got leaked, and Trump was informed about the coming charges, thus the trump administration is pressured into asking for Flynn’s resignation.Wasn’t material to the investigation they had open which was looking into russian collusion on Flynn’s part. No where near the same “lying” to pence. Boy it would be nice to have the original 302s wouldn’t it? The case should’ve thrown out had Flynn’s original lawyers not fucked him over. Flynn would’ve never taken the plea had they not threatened to go after his son. The investigation into Russian collusion/misdeeds was effectively closed. Flynn’s “lie” wasn’t material to that investigation. For lying to FBI officials it has to be material to their investigation. Therefore immaterial. You can’t divide zero by zero.The fact that they were closing the case on the original investigation shows that anything he said would not be material to their investigation since they found no Russian ties or conspiracy or what have you. That’s more than just exculpatory, it proves his innocence. It was a perfectly legal conversation he had as part of the legal entity that is the Trump transition team. Exculpatory just means anything that could possibly cause the smallest shred of doubt. And it is the responsibility of the prosecution to turn it all over, or face a possible reversal or new trial. So it wasn’t just an oversight that all this Brady evidence wasn’t released to the defense.So you’re completely ignorant to all the exculpatory evidence that was released?Still didn’t answer the question. Why were they closing the case if they had him “dead to rights” with a lie?Oh, that's just right wing spin, that you chose to believe....So why were they closing the case if they knew he lied? Mind you we already have to evidence that this meeting was set up to a perjury trap, the agent wrote down his goal as “to get him to lie?”. So they were hypersensitive to sniffing out any lies, with the original transcripts in their possession. But they were going to close the case. No one on the left seems to be able to answer this question.Not solely a crime, but an official criminal investigation, right?The FBI was going to close the investigation against Flynn. We have documented proof of this, a closure EC was filed which is one of the last steps in closing a case. This was some of the Brady evidence that is now being released. It was being closed until a text from storzk came in telling them not too, and that it was coming from floor 27 (the top brass). The original investigation opened on Flynn was checking in on his ties with any Russian collusion. That case was being closed. In order to prosecute for lying, that lie has to be material to a crime. If there was no Russian collusion on Flynn’s part, how can his “lie” be material? I also go back to my original question, why, if they were so certain he lied, did they decide to close the case?Why was the FBI going to close the investigation with no recommendations of charges after Flynn’s interview (mind you they already had the transcripts of the call)? They would have known about the “illegal lie” then.It was hardly a lieCool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
Flynn lied about talking to Russians about sanctions response and the United Nations vote. Not "hardly", not "kinda", but actual, brazen and illegal.
Look I'm with you when you say calling Flynn all out treasonous is over the top, but you make yourself look like an idiot when you try to deny Flynn lied his ass off to everyone and their mother.
Let me have a deep state liberal named TRUMP explain it to you AGAIN:
I don't know what "closing" you are talking about. Agents conducting an interview (one of whom was Strzok) and their direct report (McCabe) were confused after the interview. On one hand, they picked up no body language indicating lying, on the other hand, they knew that what Flynn was telling them was directly contradicted by the information they had about the calls. Make no mistake about it, Flynn prepared extensively on delivering his lies.
All of this hay making is 100% moot because both the interview and conversations with Kysliak are ON TAPE. What FBI wanted or didn't want has nothing to with the ON TAPE fact that he lied.
Even Barr's motion to dismiss does not ever try to claim this ridiculous nonsense that Flynn supposedly didn't lie.
If the FBI are doing a criminal investigation in to a possible crime, you can not lie to an FBI investigator of that criminal investigation regarding that investigation.... that's the law.
it was a conversation, of one on the team, who had agreed to proceeding in a certain way, of which is REDACTED.....
he comes in the next morning and says, you know what guys, I have been thinking about the way we discussed yesterday....REDACTED
''and I don't think we should do it this way...... I mean/ what is the purpose of this interview? Is it for this? or for that? Is it to get him to lie? etc.. How would that be going easy on Flynn?''
Those were his comments to get the other guys to go with his way.... they were all with question marks, not statements of what they were doing....
and it ends with
"Do it by the book"
OF WHICH ya'll fail to mention..... the final statement....
None of the evidence released is exculpatory. Nothing they released changes the facts that Flynn lied.
That doesn’t really make any sense. Investigations are reopened when they have new information. If the initial investigation didn’t show anything bad, that doesn’t mean new information doesn’t need to be investigated. If the investigation had been closed BEFORE they learned about his lying to Pence, then they would have reopened it but they didn’t need to since it was never closed in the first place. The agents writing the memo to close the investigation hadn’t known about Flynn lying to Pence.
Regardless, that has no bearing on his innocence. Remember, he wasn’t found guilty of being a Russian asset. He was found guilty of lying to investigators.
Hell yes it was material. He was lying about what he was saying to Russians. That’s awfully damn suspicious.
Is your claim seriously that it was illegal for Flynn to ask the Russians not to escalate?
For starters, this wasn’t Flynn failing to be hyper-specific. This was about Flynn saying he DID NOT do something that he DID do.
Next, you need to get your timeline straight. First Flynn lied to Pence and Pence went on TV repeating the lie. Second, the FBI interviews Flynn where he tells them the same lie. Third, the DoJ tells Trump that Flynn is lying to everyone. Fourth, Trump fired Flynn for said lies.
The charges and plea deal come much later.
So is an administration wire-tapping their political opposition even though your own FBI said they were closing the case. And what exactly was that counter intelligence investigation? Again the moving goal posts.Lying to the FBI regarding a counter intelligence investigation in to a foreign country, is as much as a crime as lying to the FBI about a criminal investigation. That's the law.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
Jesus Christ thank you. Again I would love to see that original 302.Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
So you believe that one of America's most talented and experienced spooks -- A guy who was the Head Spy for DOD -- does NOT KNOW that Kislyak calls would ALWAYS be monitored.. That the Intel intercepts on those calls would include (in the report summary) him as "American #1)????
I find it hard to believe that the HEAD of Def Intelligence Agency -- doesn't KNOW that those calls were not private and that there WERE recordings archived... Those (pre-Obama days) would be ACCESSIBLE by about 40 people in the entire govt -- but certainly the FBI COULD have access to them.. Obama expanded the ability to file Intel reqs to about an ADDITIONAL 40 people..
How do you calculate that Flynn even CONSIDERED lying? Especially to Pence or Trump who could have the transcripts of those calls ON HIS DESK in an hour or less???
A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
None of that happened in his courtroom
Except the part where the FBI / Mueller prosecutor withheld all of that information from Flynn's lawyer and from the court....the investigative / prosecutorial misconduct the DOJ stated in great depth in their dismissal of the charges.
Except there’s this thing called the Brady Rule. Kind of a big deal when it gets violated. Maybe you should look it up.None of that happened in his courtroom
Except the part where the FBI / Mueller prosecutor withheld all of that information from Flynn's lawyer and from the court....the investigative / prosecutorial misconduct the DOJ stated in great depth in their dismissal of the charges.
You say that like you imagine prosecutors ever turn over everything.....
In this case the DoJ and Flynn's lawyers are arguing not only Flynn but Martha Stewart shouldn't be in prison*. Makes no sense in the context of american jurisprudence.
A. Pence is saying what Trump tells him to say. The idea that Flynn forgot the topic of conversation with Kislyak is stupid. There are a few possibilities as to why he lied. One, they all know Flynn had the conversation (since it was coordinated from the Trump transition team) but decided to publicly deny it. Pence lies on TV. Flynn now is part of a lie and continues to tell the lie to keep the story consistent. The lie is exposed publicly and instead of making Pence admit he lied, Trump blames it all on Flynn. I believe this is the most likely explanation by far because Trump is an asshole and doesn’t actually care about people that work for him.A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
B. What concerns me infinitely more is that an outgoing presidential administration wire-tapped an incoming administration, and continued to do so even after the FBI they tasked with this (going off of basically nothing but a bogus dossier they knew was littered with holes) was closing the case on the guy. They continued the wire taps after that. Brought him up on charges of lyingon something they had zero justification to do. They also tried to throw the Logan act at him. The fucking incoming NSA, they tried to nab with the Logan act...because he asked Russia not escalate? That’s should scream that this a political hit.
The Brady rule was not violated. The judge has smacked down any attempt to claim the Brady rule was violated.Except there’s this thing called the Brady Rule. Kind of a big deal when it gets violated. Maybe you should look it up.None of that happened in his courtroom
Except the part where the FBI / Mueller prosecutor withheld all of that information from Flynn's lawyer and from the court....the investigative / prosecutorial misconduct the DOJ stated in great depth in their dismissal of the charges.
You say that like you imagine prosecutors ever turn over everything.....
In this case the DoJ and Flynn's lawyers are arguing not only Flynn but Martha Stewart shouldn't be in prison*. Makes no sense in the context of american jurisprudence.
Um no he didn’t, and you’re talking about the same judge who didn’t allow amicus briefings in favor of Flynn, but bizarrely allowed amicus briefings against him after this case was to be thrown out. I think RBG had something to say about thatThe Brady rule was not violated. The judge has smacked down any attempt to claim the Brady rule was violated.Except there’s this thing called the Brady Rule. Kind of a big deal when it gets violated. Maybe you should look it up.None of that happened in his courtroom
Except the part where the FBI / Mueller prosecutor withheld all of that information from Flynn's lawyer and from the court....the investigative / prosecutorial misconduct the DOJ stated in great depth in their dismissal of the charges.
You say that like you imagine prosecutors ever turn over everything.....
In this case the DoJ and Flynn's lawyers are arguing not only Flynn but Martha Stewart shouldn't be in prison*. Makes no sense in the context of american jurisprudence.
Oh no they tapped Flynn too. Not in this particular case but that brings up another problem. There was no unmasking for Flynn for this specific call. So how exactly did the FBI know who “American 1” was in this call?A. Pence is saying what Trump tells him to say. The idea that Flynn forgot the topic of conversation with Kislyak is stupid. There are a few possibilities as to why he lied. One, they all know Flynn had the conversation (since it was coordinated from the Trump transition team) but decided to publicly deny it. Pence lies on TV. Flynn now is part of a lie and continues to tell the lie to keep the story consistent. The lie is exposed publicly and instead of making Pence admit he lied, Trump blames it all on Flynn. I believe this is the most likely explanation by far because Trump is an asshole and doesn’t actually care about people that work for him.A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
B. What concerns me infinitely more is that an outgoing presidential administration wire-tapped an incoming administration, and continued to do so even after the FBI they tasked with this (going off of basically nothing but a bogus dossier they knew was littered with holes) was closing the case on the guy. They continued the wire taps after that. Brought him up on charges of lyingon something they had zero justification to do. They also tried to throw the Logan act at him. The fucking incoming NSA, they tried to nab with the Logan act...because he asked Russia not escalate? That’s should scream that this a political hit.
Another possibility is that Pence never really knew anything and was kept out of the loop and this was run by wonder boy Jared. They trotted Pence out for plausible deniability and didn’t even bother to tell him he was telling a flat out lie. Pence is now saying Flynn didn’t lie to him because he has no divinity and is doing what a Trump wants.
B. They didn’t wiretap Flynn. They wiretapped Kislyak. Supposedly Flynn knew this. No one should be the least bit surprised that we had Kislyak tapped. Has nothing to do with faulty FISA warrants. Nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. The charges are justified because he did it. He lied. No one threw the Logan Act at him. They hit him with lying because he lied.
Oh no they tapped Flynn too.A. Pence is saying what Trump tells him to say. The idea that Flynn forgot the topic of conversation with Kislyak is stupid. There are a few possibilities as to why he lied. One, they all know Flynn had the conversation (since it was coordinated from the Trump transition team) but decided to publicly deny it. Pence lies on TV. Flynn now is part of a lie and continues to tell the lie to keep the story consistent. The lie is exposed publicly and instead of making Pence admit he lied, Trump blames it all on Flynn. I believe this is the most likely explanation by far because Trump is an asshole and doesn’t actually care about people that work for him.A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
B. What concerns me infinitely more is that an outgoing presidential administration wire-tapped an incoming administration, and continued to do so even after the FBI they tasked with this (going off of basically nothing but a bogus dossier they knew was littered with holes) was closing the case on the guy. They continued the wire taps after that. Brought him up on charges of lyingon something they had zero justification to do. They also tried to throw the Logan act at him. The fucking incoming NSA, they tried to nab with the Logan act...because he asked Russia not escalate? That’s should scream that this a political hit.
Another possibility is that Pence never really knew anything and was kept out of the loop and this was run by wonder boy Jared. They trotted Pence out for plausible deniability and didn’t even bother to tell him he was telling a flat out lie. Pence is now saying Flynn didn’t lie to him because he has no divinity and is doing what a Trump wants.
B. They didn’t wiretap Flynn. They wiretapped Kislyak. Supposedly Flynn knew this. No one should be the least bit surprised that we had Kislyak tapped. Has nothing to do with faulty FISA warrants. Nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. The charges are justified because he did it. He lied. No one threw the Logan Act at him. They hit him with lying because he lied.
Oh no they tapped Flynn too. Not in this particular case but that brings up another problem. There was no unmasking for Flynn for this specific call. So how exactly did the FBI know who “American 1” was in this call?A. Pence is saying what Trump tells him to say. The idea that Flynn forgot the topic of conversation with Kislyak is stupid. There are a few possibilities as to why he lied. One, they all know Flynn had the conversation (since it was coordinated from the Trump transition team) but decided to publicly deny it. Pence lies on TV. Flynn now is part of a lie and continues to tell the lie to keep the story consistent. The lie is exposed publicly and instead of making Pence admit he lied, Trump blames it all on Flynn. I believe this is the most likely explanation by far because Trump is an asshole and doesn’t actually care about people that work for him.A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
B. What concerns me infinitely more is that an outgoing presidential administration wire-tapped an incoming administration, and continued to do so even after the FBI they tasked with this (going off of basically nothing but a bogus dossier they knew was littered with holes) was closing the case on the guy. They continued the wire taps after that. Brought him up on charges of lyingon something they had zero justification to do. They also tried to throw the Logan act at him. The fucking incoming NSA, they tried to nab with the Logan act...because he asked Russia not escalate? That’s should scream that this a political hit.
Another possibility is that Pence never really knew anything and was kept out of the loop and this was run by wonder boy Jared. They trotted Pence out for plausible deniability and didn’t even bother to tell him he was telling a flat out lie. Pence is now saying Flynn didn’t lie to him because he has no divinity and is doing what a Trump wants.
B. They didn’t wiretap Flynn. They wiretapped Kislyak. Supposedly Flynn knew this. No one should be the least bit surprised that we had Kislyak tapped. Has nothing to do with faulty FISA warrants. Nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. The charges are justified because he did it. He lied. No one threw the Logan Act at him. They hit him with lying because he lied.
