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Would you care to explain how the FBI got this call? If it was FISA surveillance on Kislyak, well no one unmasked Flynn on this particular occasion, so how did they know it was flynn. We know it wasn’t a “wiretap” done by they FBI. That leaves 2 other options, neither of them look good at all. The CIA was sharing information with the FBI on not only a US citizen but the incoming NSA. Not only is it against the law for them to do this, but they also shared a perfectly legal call with no shady business which begs the question why. If you want to argue that asking Russia to not escalate and veto the UN resolution is shady business, be my guest. The other option is that Obama requested this surveillance and lynch signed off on it. This would’ve been after operation crossfire hurricane turned up nothing. So what exactly was Obama’s justification for such extreme measures, and again why was this perfectly legal call shared with the FBI?Oh no they tapped Flynn too.A. Pence is saying what Trump tells him to say. The idea that Flynn forgot the topic of conversation with Kislyak is stupid. There are a few possibilities as to why he lied. One, they all know Flynn had the conversation (since it was coordinated from the Trump transition team) but decided to publicly deny it. Pence lies on TV. Flynn now is part of a lie and continues to tell the lie to keep the story consistent. The lie is exposed publicly and instead of making Pence admit he lied, Trump blames it all on Flynn. I believe this is the most likely explanation by far because Trump is an asshole and doesn’t actually care about people that work for him.A. Pence says he doesn’t think that Flynn intentionally lied to him. Also, what in gods green earth would be the motivation behind lying? Again, did we want russia to escalate, and Flynn went against the administration. We already know that kushner asked Flynn to ask kysliak about vetoing. So that’s not it.So someone has access to our nations most closely held secrets, a position of great trust and privilege. And this is lying to his boss about official conversations he had with his Russian counterparts.To what investigation, what’s predicating. There was no investigation into whether or not Flynn was telling pence every exact detail of his conversations. Nor is would it be a crime for Flynn to do so unless there was a crime attached to the lie, which there wasn’t...therefore it’s not material. Do I need to start drawing pictures with crayons so y’all can see the problem Comey’s FBI has in this case, and why this was a political hit.The materiality comes when he starts lying about it to Pence.They filed a closure EC. Part of the Brady evidence. Meaning there was nothing material in a perfectly legal conversation.The case isn't closed. As of now, anyway, Flynn is still a convicted felon and the judge can still sentence him should he want to.Why did they close the case?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Who on Flynn’s legal team or Barr’s team has ever said that Flynn didn’t lie, that it was in fact multiple FBI agents that are criminally lying about his interview?
The extent of denial you wingers are capable of is straight mindbogling.Is the left denying that this meeting was set up to be a perjury trap?Cool story bro but you are straight out of your mind if you think ANYONE is buying your bs about Flynn simply not remembering anything about getting Russians to change their response to Obama's sanctions.
Only time sanctions EVER appears in that transcript, is when Flynn asked Kislyak "not to retaliate" on the sanctions.. Describe to me HOW the Obama Admin has a problem with "NOT get their diplomat corps kicked out of Russia????
You said this was all premediated. That was a leap of fantasy.. Flynn read in the WashPo the DAY BEFORE that the FBI had CLEARED him of anything Russia... That story was PLACED at the Washpo with "unnamed sources" as usual meaning that this was LEAKED out.. Whatchawanna bet that the leaking Comey placed it there to set the "tone" for the "sudden visit" the next day??
By Ellen Nakashima and
Greg MillerJanuary 23, 2017
The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said
Although Flynn’s contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were listened to, Flynn himself is not the active target of an investigation, U.S. officials said. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that U.S. counterintelligence agents had investigated the communications between Flynn and Kislyak.
Although Flynn has written critically about Russia, he also was paid to deliver a speech at a 2015 Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-sponsored international television station, at which he was seated next to Putin.
Now THATS how you set up an ambush... Amirite????
But wait there is more! He also pled guilty to lying about his work as an undeclared foreign agent for Turkey during the transition. Man, you really know how to pick your "victims".
Funny how all that other stuff GOT DROPPED in the guilty plea deal that Flynn originally agreed to isn't it?? The FARA violation never would have stuck in trial because FARA violations are usually resolved with CORRECTING the registrations. And Flynn's lawyers BOTCHED this process during the run up to the trial.. I might add MAYBE on purpose since they were screwing him every other way... And a PARTNER was involved in this who was NEVER even charged and had MORE to do with Turkey than HE did...
During the election, you had PODESTA group representing banks in Russia holding over 40% of ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS.. But no one seems to care.. Even tho that means that they representing the interests of 100s of dirty Russian Oligarchs including Putin himself... No big deal right? They had a FARA registration to DO that.... EVEN IF THE SENIOR PODESTA was running Hillary's campaign..
And guess who else was seated at the table with Putin besides Flynn at that RT Awards ceremony in Moscow??? None other than 2016 GREEN party candidate for Prez -- Jill Stein.. This ditzy woman than BRAGGED about Putin setting her up to TALK FOREIGN POLICY with high level diplomats the DAY AFTER the RT dinner.
Tell me -- WHY those 2 things dont even appear to bother you?????? Why does Jill Stein get to discuss HER Russia policy at the behest of PUTIN in Moscow -- and the media and the FBI and the INTEL agencies and the Obama Admin just took a nap on that....
You really have to DIG to find all that outrage about ONE COMMENT from Flynn asking Russia "not to retaliate".,.. Why would Obama be torqued about NO retaliation???"
Why did Flynn lie to FBI about his diplomatic wheeling and dealing during the transition?
Did someone make him do that?
We don't actually KNOW that her did.. There seems to be NO RECORDINGS of the actual interview.. Think you KNOW that.. So that the agents' notes and "302" reports are all we have to go on,... And there's been some hinky shit going on in revising that 302 without RETAINING the originals.. There were 2 agents attending the meeting.. ONE interviewed by counsel said that Flynn was totally cooperative and not trying to deceive when deposed..
The OTHER was Peter Strzok.. The guy who could "smell the Trump supporters at Walmart" and seems to BE EVERYWHERE where FBI and NAt Security procedures were broken here., Not ONLY WITH FLYNN -- but with every other INNOCENT VICTIM of this Russia witch hunt both domestically and abroad...
If they WANTED ACCURACY AND PRECISION -- maybe they should have put him under oath, asked him to retain a lawyer, and given him a copy of the transcript of the calls in question.. That's HOW A LEGAL proceeding is SUPPOSED to work in this country...
Bullshit, there was no "trap" except the one Flynn made for himself by lying to everyone and their mother. FBI asked the questions and Flynn instead of telling the truth ELECTED to lie. No one pressured him to lie, he wanted to and he did.
I don't get what is it with you rightwingers and twisting yourself into fancy pretzels to deny the most obvious.
And you don’t think that warrants an investigation?
Why not?
B. What concerns me infinitely more is that an outgoing presidential administration wire-tapped an incoming administration, and continued to do so even after the FBI they tasked with this (going off of basically nothing but a bogus dossier they knew was littered with holes) was closing the case on the guy. They continued the wire taps after that. Brought him up on charges of lyingon something they had zero justification to do. They also tried to throw the Logan act at him. The fucking incoming NSA, they tried to nab with the Logan act...because he asked Russia not escalate? That’s should scream that this a political hit.
Another possibility is that Pence never really knew anything and was kept out of the loop and this was run by wonder boy Jared. They trotted Pence out for plausible deniability and didn’t even bother to tell him he was telling a flat out lie. Pence is now saying Flynn didn’t lie to him because he has no divinity and is doing what a Trump wants.
B. They didn’t wiretap Flynn. They wiretapped Kislyak. Supposedly Flynn knew this. No one should be the least bit surprised that we had Kislyak tapped. Has nothing to do with faulty FISA warrants. Nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. The charges are justified because he did it. He lied. No one threw the Logan Act at him. They hit him with lying because he lied.
I love how you grab little bits and pieces of topics you are completely clueless about and then try to construct wishful fantasies to deny the obvious
You got nothing better to wreck your know nothing head about intelligence ways-means-regulations?
Bless Trump Bless all patriots.
