Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

[rightwinger]

As with most trickle down experiments....the rich just end up keeping the money

 

[task0778]

Kansas lawmakers didn't cut spending; their problem wasn't insufficient revenue, it was too much spending on Medicaid, the pensions system, and education. Much of the blame for that goes to the moderate Repubs who lacked the balls to do the right thing. Or maybe their state Supreme Court wouldn't let them do it.

 

[skews13]

They were spending money they didn't have in Kansas.

And while they did the "adult" thing in the short term, they still haven't solved the issue of the long term issues of living within ones means when it comes to government.

5 years is long enough to see results. Kansas is a red red red state - not sure how much you can blame on "out of control" spending. Seems more like a bad policy.

This is what probably forced their hand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/kansas-supreme-court-school-spending.html?_r=0

School funding consumes about half of Kansas’ budget, and its political salience cuts across party lines. Kansas prides itself on its public schools, and, in many small towns, the high school serves as a community anchor. The right to a suitably funded education is enshrined in the state Constitution.

I would bet money that some of the issue is a reluctance to consolidate high schools and other schools as towns get smaller and demographics shift.

Significant tax cuts are supposed to generate significant revenue but after 5 years, despite spending cuts, and veto'ing increases in education funding - it's not happening.

So they go back to the old "throw money at it" solution and run into the same issue 10 years from now they had before.

Yeah, the way people throw money at the rent, and the mortgage, and the car payment, and groceries, and shoes for the kids, and...

They didn't have any issues in the first place until another failed Republican put in a proven failed policy.

 

[2aguy]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Yes......raise taxes.....see what that does.......morons. Illinois raises taxes and it is a dead state......

 

[2aguy]

Kansas lawmakers didn't cut spending; their problem wasn't insufficient revenue, it was too much spending on Medicaid, the pensions system, and education. Much of the blame for that goes to the moderate Repubs who lacked the balls to do the right thing. Or maybe their state Supreme Court wouldn't let them do it.

And there you have it......it is never a revenue problem...it is always, always a spending problem......the democrats will spend every single penny you give them and use up every credit card they have....and still say the republicans are mean....

 

[g5000]

California is a looming disaster...it's inevitable

I've been hearing that since the first time Jerry Brown was governor.

By the way, this is a topic about Kansas. You're off by about 1200 miles. Better luck next time.

 

[g5000]

Kansas lawmakers didn't cut spending; their problem wasn't insufficient revenue, it was too much spending on Medicaid, the pensions system, and education. Much of the blame for that goes to the moderate Repubs who lacked the balls to do the right thing. Or maybe their state Supreme Court wouldn't let them do it.

And there you have it......it is never a revenue problem...it is always, always a spending problem......the democrats will spend every single penny you give them and use up every credit card they have....and still say the republicans are mean....

How long has Kansas been a red state? About as long as its been a state, right?

At least for the last ten Presidential elections.

Explain how its the Democrats' fault again. It's very funny stuff!

 

[g5000]

33 out of the 46 governors of Kansas have been Republicans.

 

[skews13]

Kansas lawmakers didn't cut spending; their problem wasn't insufficient revenue, it was too much spending on Medicaid, the pensions system, and education. Much of the blame for that goes to the moderate Repubs who lacked the balls to do the right thing. Or maybe their state Supreme Court wouldn't let them do it.

And there you have it......it is never a revenue problem...it is always, always a spending problem......the democrats will spend every single penny you give them and use up every credit card they have....and still say the republicans are mean....

They did cut spending...Fail

They sold off assets until there were no more to sell...Fail

It was the Republicans that cast the votes to over ride the veto, with the support of the majority of the citizens...Fail

Not only are you an economic illiterate, you can't read either.

 

[g5000]

Republicans hold a supermajority in the Kansas House of Representatives, and have controlled the chamber for decades.

Kansas House of Representatives

 

[g5000]

Kansas is one of the most GOP-leaning states in the country, and the Republicans have held a majority in the Kansas Senate for decades.

Kansas Senate

 

[g5000]

Yep. It must be those damned DemocRATS fault!

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Yes......raise taxes.....see what that does.......morons. Illinois raises taxes and it is a dead state......

Actually I prefer a more balanced approach them simplistic - CUT TAXES or SPEND MORE when you have one side screaming it's all about cutting taxes and giving more to the rich and the other side screaming it's all about throwing more money at it and that will fix everything.

 

[Coyote]

Kansas lawmakers didn't cut spending; their problem wasn't insufficient revenue, it was too much spending on Medicaid, the pensions system, and education. Much of the blame for that goes to the moderate Repubs who lacked the balls to do the right thing. Or maybe their state Supreme Court wouldn't let them do it.

And there you have it......it is never a revenue problem...it is always, always a spending problem......the democrats will spend every single penny you give them and use up every credit card they have....and still say the republicans are mean....

They did cut spending...Fail

They sold off assets until there were no more to sell...Fail

It was the Republicans that cast the votes to over ride the veto, with the support of the majority of the citizens...Fail

Not only are you an economic illiterate, you can't read either.

You can only cut spending so much without causing serious damage to infrastructure, public safety, education and people's lives. At some time you need to look at the revenue side of the equation.

 

[2aguy]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Yes......raise taxes.....see what that does.......morons. Illinois raises taxes and it is a dead state......

Actually I prefer a more balanced approach them simplistic - CUT TAXES or SPEND MORE when you have one side screaming it's all about cutting taxes and giving more to the rich and the other side screaming it's all about throwing more money at it and that will fix everything.

No moron......tax cuts give money to everyone, and keep the politicians from spending every penny they are given and even more........raising taxes is never the answer...and they have just killed their state..........

 

[Coyote]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Yes......raise taxes.....see what that does.......morons. Illinois raises taxes and it is a dead state......

Actually I prefer a more balanced approach them simplistic - CUT TAXES or SPEND MORE when you have one side screaming it's all about cutting taxes and giving more to the rich and the other side screaming it's all about throwing more money at it and that will fix everything.

No moron......tax cuts give money to everyone, and keep the politicians from spending every penny they are given and even more........raising taxes is never the answer...and they have just killed their state..........

Tax cuts benefit the poor less then they do the rich (moron). There are times when raising taxes in a progressive manner is an answer. How can they kill a state that is budgetarily flatlining?

 

[g5000]

I guess if you cut taxes to zero, Kansas would thrive!

 

[g5000]

I would bet real money Kansas's tax code is rife with government gifts. Carve-outs, exemptions, abeyances, deductions, gifts to special friends.

When you do that, you have to raise tax rates on everyone to make up the difference for all those gifts.

That's the Republican version of wealth transfer. Harder for the rubes to notice.

 

[bendog]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

What next? Teach evolution in schools?

 

[bodecea]

Another Republican fail....and they still think this is going to work on a national level? My own state, which has significant budgetary problems and a new Republican majority is looking at the same sort of legislation

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

Kansas lawmakers have voted to roll back a series of major tax cuts that became an example for conservative lawmakers around the country but didn't deliver the growth and prosperity promised by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican.


A coalition of conservative Republicans, some of whom voted for sweeping tax cuts in 2012 or defended them in the years since, sided with moderates and Democrats to override Brownback's veto of a $1.2 billion tax increase.


The law to increase taxes over the next two years comes as legislators seek to close a projected $900 million budget gap for that same period and bolster funding for K-12 schools under a Kansas Supreme Court order.


"It's a huge vote," said state Rep. Steven Johnson, a Republican and chairman of the House tax panel, adding that legislative leadership had explored many routes to find a tax solution that would gain sufficient support in both chambers. "It's a huge vote for looking for an option for Kansas among limited options."


Floor debates on taxes ran late into Tuesday evening, but in the end, 27 senators and 88 representatives rendered Brownback's veto — which had been handed down just hours earlier — irrelevant.


Passage of the tax bill brings to an end signature tax policies of the Brownback administration. Most of those policies were part of a 2012 law that exempted owners of more than 300,000 small businesses and became a political flashpoint in recent elections.​

Yes......raise taxes.....see what that does.......morons. Illinois raises taxes and it is a dead state......

Actually I prefer a more balanced approach them simplistic - CUT TAXES or SPEND MORE when you have one side screaming it's all about cutting taxes and giving more to the rich and the other side screaming it's all about throwing more money at it and that will fix everything.

No moron......tax cuts give money to everyone, and keep the politicians from spending every penny they are given and even more........raising taxes is never the answer...and they have just killed their state..........

Yeah....that's what they kept saying in Kansas.....