Kennedy said:

[Redfish]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

That is it's essence socialism, what can you do for your society, how can you help the less well off or less fortunate...

The Conservative one:
I getting mine and keeping it.

you missed the first part "ask not what your country can do for you....................."

And you missed the second part...

Socialism unlike what you think isn't about taking, it is about giving into society.... Society then determines how best to share those resources....

Look at Democratic States, they are the states that pay in, Red States are receivers.... Ever wondered why the Blue states have not said no way are we helping them and stopped paying?

more BS, on a per capita basis, California gets more federal aid than all the red states combined.

 

[Rustic]

What did the unions do for the textile industry? Answer: moved it to central America, china, and Burma.

What did the unions (and democrat rule) do for Detroit? Answer: turned a once great city into a cess pool.

You are not entitled to a job for life. You only are entitled to that which you earn.

As I said in the previous post, working conditions and benefits are as good, and many times better, in the non union car factories as in the union car factories.

Once again you have shown yourself to be a victim of left wing propaganda and brain washing.

What moved the textile industry Central America, China and Burma was $6 a day wages

It was the car manufacturers who destroyed Detroit. They designed shoddy cars that nobody wanted to buy. They avoided modernizing production in favor of taking quick profits
Unions were trying to protect existing wages and benefits....they were not trying to make the workers rich

you are so full of shit. I have worked in union shops, non union shops, and open shops in my early life. Later I was in upper management in an industry where all the craft people were in unions (shipbuilding). I know what I am talking about, you do not.

The textile workers union drove that industry out of the USA. A combination of unions, democrats and minority rule destroyed Detroit. I don't mean that as a racist statement, but it happens to be fact. Look at Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Philly, LA, Boston, Newark, et al. once great cities brought into chaos and misery by liberal democrats and their failed left wing policies.

But feat not, the voters of the USA rejected all of that on November 8, a new day is dawning and the USA will reverse the failed policies of liberalism.

It was greedy capitalists who destroyed our cities....they used them up and moved to greener pastures

It was the executives who were getting rich, not the workers

your indoctrination is complete, your liberal brainwashing was a success. Congratulations and hail Marx !!!!!!

Its not Marx, its the reality of our society

It is capitalists who used up our cities and then abandoned them
Government was left to pick up the pieces

 

[Redfish]

What did the unions do for the textile industry? Answer: moved it to central America, china, and Burma.

What did the unions (and democrat rule) do for Detroit? Answer: turned a once great city into a cess pool.

You are not entitled to a job for life. You only are entitled to that which you earn.

As I said in the previous post, working conditions and benefits are as good, and many times better, in the non union car factories as in the union car factories.

Once again you have shown yourself to be a victim of left wing propaganda and brain washing.

What moved the textile industry Central America, China and Burma was $6 a day wages

It was the car manufacturers who destroyed Detroit. They designed shoddy cars that nobody wanted to buy. They avoided modernizing production in favor of taking quick profits
Unions were trying to protect existing wages and benefits....they were not trying to make the workers rich

you are so full of shit. I have worked in union shops, non union shops, and open shops in my early life. Later I was in upper management in an industry where all the craft people were in unions (shipbuilding). I know what I am talking about, you do not.

The textile workers union drove that industry out of the USA. A combination of unions, democrats and minority rule destroyed Detroit. I don't mean that as a racist statement, but it happens to be fact. Look at Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Philly, LA, Boston, Newark, et al. once great cities brought into chaos and misery by liberal democrats and their failed left wing policies.

But feat not, the voters of the USA rejected all of that on November 8, a new day is dawning and the USA will reverse the failed policies of liberalism.

It was greedy capitalists who destroyed our cities....they used them up and moved to greener pastures

It was the executives who were getting rich, not the workers

your indoctrination is complete, your liberal brainwashing was a success. Congratulations and hail Marx !!!!!!

Its not Marx, its the reality of our society

It is capitalists who used up our cities and then abandoned them
Government was left to pick up the pieces

Is Rahm Emanuel a capitalist? Is the mayor of Baltimore? Is DeBlasio? Is the black mayor of Detroit? Were any of the previous democratic mayors of Detroit capitalists? Is the head of the UAW a capitalist? Well, in his personal quest for wealth I guess he is.

you don't know anything, you just spout left wing BS.

 

[CowboyTed]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

That is it's essence socialism, what can you do for your society, how can you help the less well off or less fortunate...

The Conservative one:
I getting mine and keeping it.

you missed the first part "ask not what your country can do for you....................."

And you missed the second part...

Socialism unlike what you think isn't about taking, it is about giving into society.... Society then determines how best to share those resources....

Look at Democratic States, they are the states that pay in, Red States are receivers.... Ever wondered why the Blue states have not said no way are we helping them and stopped paying?

What's wrong with everyone taking care of their own shit… LOL

Nothing on the face of it... But societies perform better the more cohesive they are....

There is a balance... But the rhetoric that Democrats are Commies is jokable...

Democrats would be center right in Europe who have higher education standards, better healthcare and better quality of life than the US...

The US has higher GDP per Capita yet no paid maternity leave....

It is about balance and the US is the farthest to the right of the first world by a good margin and you can see the results in the high income gaps between rich and poor.... Good countries don't like those large gaps...

 

[Redfish]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

That is it's essence socialism, what can you do for your society, how can you help the less well off or less fortunate...

The Conservative one:
I getting mine and keeping it.

you missed the first part "ask not what your country can do for you....................."

And you missed the second part...

Socialism unlike what you think isn't about taking, it is about giving into society.... Society then determines how best to share those resources....

Look at Democratic States, they are the states that pay in, Red States are receivers.... Ever wondered why the Blue states have not said no way are we helping them and stopped paying?

What's wrong with everyone taking care of their own shit… LOL

Nothing on the face of it... But societies perform better the more cohesive they are....

There is a balance... But the rhetoric that Democrats are Commies is jokable...

Democrats would be center right in Europe who have higher education standards, better healthcare and better quality of life than the US...

The US has higher GDP per Capita yet no paid maternity leave....

It is about balance and the US is the farthest to the right of the first world by a good margin and you can see the results in the high income gaps between rich and poor.... Good countries don't like those large gaps...

Have you ever been to Europe? Which European countries have "higher education standards, better healthcare, and better quality of life"? I have been to most of them and not one fits that definition.

 

[Redfish]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

That is it's essence socialism, what can you do for your society, how can you help the less well off or less fortunate...

The Conservative one:
I getting mine and keeping it.

you missed the first part "ask not what your country can do for you....................."

And you missed the second part...

Socialism unlike what you think isn't about taking, it is about giving into society.... Society then determines how best to share those resources....

Look at Democratic States, they are the states that pay in, Red States are receivers.... Ever wondered why the Blue states have not said no way are we helping them and stopped paying?

What's wrong with everyone taking care of their own shit… LOL

Nothing on the face of it... But societies perform better the more cohesive they are....

There is a balance... But the rhetoric that Democrats are Commies is jokable...

Democrats would be center right in Europe who have higher education standards, better healthcare and better quality of life than the US...

The US has higher GDP per Capita yet no paid maternity leave....

It is about balance and the US is the farthest to the right of the first world by a good margin and you can see the results in the high income gaps between rich and poor.... Good countries don't like those large gaps...

you libs, your entire focus is on abortion and paid maternity leave. Do you see the conflict there? Are you that stupid?

 

[Rustic]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

That is it's essence socialism, what can you do for your society, how can you help the less well off or less fortunate...

The Conservative one:
I getting mine and keeping it.

you missed the first part "ask not what your country can do for you....................."

And you missed the second part...

Socialism unlike what you think isn't about taking, it is about giving into society.... Society then determines how best to share those resources....

Look at Democratic States, they are the states that pay in, Red States are receivers.... Ever wondered why the Blue states have not said no way are we helping them and stopped paying?

What's wrong with everyone taking care of their own shit… LOL

Nothing on the face of it... But societies perform better the more cohesive they are....

There is a balance... But the rhetoric that Democrats are Commies is jokable...

Democrats would be center right in Europe who have higher education standards, better healthcare and better quality of life than the US...

The US has higher GDP per Capita yet no paid maternity leave....

It is about balance and the US is the farthest to the right of the first world by a good margin and you can see the results in the high income gaps between rich and poor.... Good countries don't like those large gaps...

It's a choice - part of the collective or the freedom of individuality...
I'll take the latter... no desire to be a drone… LOL

 

[rightwinger]

What moved the textile industry Central America, China and Burma was $6 a day wages

It was the car manufacturers who destroyed Detroit. They designed shoddy cars that nobody wanted to buy. They avoided modernizing production in favor of taking quick profits
Unions were trying to protect existing wages and benefits....they were not trying to make the workers rich

you are so full of shit. I have worked in union shops, non union shops, and open shops in my early life. Later I was in upper management in an industry where all the craft people were in unions (shipbuilding). I know what I am talking about, you do not.

The textile workers union drove that industry out of the USA. A combination of unions, democrats and minority rule destroyed Detroit. I don't mean that as a racist statement, but it happens to be fact. Look at Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Philly, LA, Boston, Newark, et al. once great cities brought into chaos and misery by liberal democrats and their failed left wing policies.

But feat not, the voters of the USA rejected all of that on November 8, a new day is dawning and the USA will reverse the failed policies of liberalism.

It was greedy capitalists who destroyed our cities....they used them up and moved to greener pastures

It was the executives who were getting rich, not the workers

your indoctrination is complete, your liberal brainwashing was a success. Congratulations and hail Marx !!!!!!

Its not Marx, its the reality of our society

It is capitalists who used up our cities and then abandoned them
Government was left to pick up the pieces

Is Rahm Emanuel a capitalist? Is the mayor of Baltimore? Is DeBlasio? Is the black mayor of Detroit? Were any of the previous democratic mayors of Detroit capitalists? Is the head of the UAW a capitalist? Well, in his personal quest for wealth I guess he is.


you don't know anything, you just spout left wing BS.

It was the greedy capitalists who used up and abandoned those cites. The mayors were left with crumbling cities with no employment or tax base

Lets place the blame where it belongs

 

[Redfish]

you are so full of shit. I have worked in union shops, non union shops, and open shops in my early life. Later I was in upper management in an industry where all the craft people were in unions (shipbuilding). I know what I am talking about, you do not.

The textile workers union drove that industry out of the USA. A combination of unions, democrats and minority rule destroyed Detroit. I don't mean that as a racist statement, but it happens to be fact. Look at Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Philly, LA, Boston, Newark, et al. once great cities brought into chaos and misery by liberal democrats and their failed left wing policies.

But feat not, the voters of the USA rejected all of that on November 8, a new day is dawning and the USA will reverse the failed policies of liberalism.

It was greedy capitalists who destroyed our cities....they used them up and moved to greener pastures

It was the executives who were getting rich, not the workers

your indoctrination is complete, your liberal brainwashing was a success. Congratulations and hail Marx !!!!!!

Its not Marx, its the reality of our society

It is capitalists who used up our cities and then abandoned them
Government was left to pick up the pieces

Is Rahm Emanuel a capitalist? Is the mayor of Baltimore? Is DeBlasio? Is the black mayor of Detroit? Were any of the previous democratic mayors of Detroit capitalists? Is the head of the UAW a capitalist? Well, in his personal quest for wealth I guess he is.


you don't know anything, you just spout left wing BS.

It was the greedy capitalists who used up and abandoned those cites. The mayors were left with crumbling cities with no employment or tax base

Lets place the blame where it belongs

So, the unions and liberal mayors of Detroit were capitalists? Very interesting, but I bet they would disagree.

I do agree that the union bosses were capitalists, they got rich at the expense of the workers.

But back to the original question. I am waiting for you to give me the name of one democrat of today who would say, or believes, what Kennedy said. Got a name?

 

[Rustic]

you are so full of shit. I have worked in union shops, non union shops, and open shops in my early life. Later I was in upper management in an industry where all the craft people were in unions (shipbuilding). I know what I am talking about, you do not.

The textile workers union drove that industry out of the USA. A combination of unions, democrats and minority rule destroyed Detroit. I don't mean that as a racist statement, but it happens to be fact. Look at Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Philly, LA, Boston, Newark, et al. once great cities brought into chaos and misery by liberal democrats and their failed left wing policies.

But feat not, the voters of the USA rejected all of that on November 8, a new day is dawning and the USA will reverse the failed policies of liberalism.

It was greedy capitalists who destroyed our cities....they used them up and moved to greener pastures

It was the executives who were getting rich, not the workers

your indoctrination is complete, your liberal brainwashing was a success. Congratulations and hail Marx !!!!!!

Its not Marx, its the reality of our society

It is capitalists who used up our cities and then abandoned them
Government was left to pick up the pieces

Is Rahm Emanuel a capitalist? Is the mayor of Baltimore? Is DeBlasio? Is the black mayor of Detroit? Were any of the previous democratic mayors of Detroit capitalists? Is the head of the UAW a capitalist? Well, in his personal quest for wealth I guess he is.


you don't know anything, you just spout left wing BS.

It was the greedy capitalists who used up and abandoned those cites. The mayors were left with crumbling cities with no employment or tax base

Lets place the blame where it belongs

 

[Redfish]

RW ran off to hide because he/she/it cannot come up with one democrat of today who believes what Kennedy said.

 

[zjjonathanjacobson]

I am a Cold War historian in the middle of a research project. I am looking for veterans of the American military, any service, any arena who served any time between 1962-64.
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My question is a bit obscure. I was wondering if you might have a memory or a suggestion of which direction to sniff.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Pres. Kennedy was enamored with a book, "Guns of August" (just published in '62), Barbara Tuchman's history of the first month leading up to World War I, won the Pulitzer that year. Like we think of the lessons of Vietnam or Kosovo or Iraq, Kennedy saw the lessons from WWI as a clue for how to confront the Soviets in Red Cuba.

Historians write over and over of how Kennedy insisted that his aides and the officers around him read Tuchman's book (It sounds like he was a bit of a nag about it.)

He went further: Kennedy wanted to "send a copy of that book to every Navy officer on every ship right now." He told the Secretary of the Army, Cyrus Vance, to ship Tuchman's best-seller to "every U.S. military base in the world." These stories are repeated time and again.

Why?
-- A new grand strategy for a New Frontier from a long time ago?
-- Profiles in Courage writ large, supported by Tuchman's sweeping WWI account of heroes and prophets and bastards amidst the rabble?
-- A message to the troops: Hey, guys, you're too young to remember the First World War but I thought you should know that a lot of you are going to die, well, most of you will, no really...?

Unfortunately all the records seemed to have been destroyed, nothing kept on that level of detail (such as books distributed to troops) from back then.

Long story, long: There is no evidence, one way or other, if the book orders were ever carried out, if soldiers and marines, coastguards, pilots and sailors, as they readied for Cuba (and Vietnam) were reading of the misery and heroism and more misery of World War I--although several publications including Newsweek keep reporting the unsubstantiated lore that the distribution definitely happened.

SO, I was wondering, do you have any memories of receiving "Guns of August" during your tour? Have you heard of the book? Was there other book-of-the-month type lit passed around and read? discussed? Was there even time for that?

Did the lessons and misdeeds of World War I figure into your thinking when you were on tour?

[Fun fact: "Guns of August" also happens to be one of McCain's favorite books.]

All my best,

Zack
Zachary Jonathan Jacobson, PhD
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel free to hit it me up:
[email protected]
@zacharyjacobson
the-watch.blog

 

[francoHFW]

I am a Cold War historian in the middle of a research project. I am looking for veterans of the American military, any service, any arena who served any time between 1962-64.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My question is a bit obscure. I was wondering if you might have a memory or a suggestion of which direction to sniff.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Pres. Kennedy was enamored with a book, "Guns of August" (just published in '62), Barbara Tuchman's history of the first month leading up to World War I, won the Pulitzer that year. Like we think of the lessons of Vietnam or Kosovo or Iraq, Kennedy saw the lessons from WWI as a clue for how to confront the Soviets in Red Cuba.

Historians write over and over of how Kennedy insisted that his aides and the officers around him read Tuchman's book (It sounds like he was a bit of a nag about it.)

He went further: Kennedy wanted to "send a copy of that book to every Navy officer on every ship right now." He told the Secretary of the Army, Cyrus Vance, to ship Tuchman's best-seller to "every U.S. military base in the world." These stories are repeated time and again.

Why?
-- A new grand strategy for a New Frontier from a long time ago?
-- Profiles in Courage writ large, supported by Tuchman's sweeping WWI account of heroes and prophets and bastards amidst the rabble?
-- A message to the troops: Hey, guys, you're too young to remember the First World War but I thought you should know that a lot of you are going to die, well, most of you will, no really...?

Unfortunately all the records seemed to have been destroyed, nothing kept on that level of detail (such as books distributed to troops) from back then.

Long story, long: There is no evidence, one way or other, if the book orders were ever carried out, if soldiers and marines, coastguards, pilots and sailors, as they readied for Cuba (and Vietnam) were reading of the misery and heroism and more misery of World War I--although several publications including Newsweek keep reporting the unsubstantiated lore that the distribution definitely happened.

SO, I was wondering, do you have any memories of receiving "Guns of August" during your tour? Have you heard of the book? Was there other book-of-the-month type lit passed around and read? discussed? Was there even time for that?

Did the lessons and misdeeds of World War I figure into your thinking when you were on tour?

[Fun fact: "Guns of August" also happens to be one of McCain's favorite books.]

All my best,

Zack
Zachary Jonathan Jacobson, PhD
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel free to hit it me up:
[email protected]
@zacharyjacobson
the-watch.blog

It's a great book. The moral is, don't be idiots lol. GREAT history. Read it?

 

[francoHFW]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that would say those words? Or is there any democrat or liberal in the USA today that believes those words?

The democrat party has become the party of huge government and dictatorial socialism. Kennedy and Truman would be republicans if they were alive today.

Have you ever read Kennedy's 'New Frontier' program?

I never said that Kennedy did not lean left. nice deflection try.

Now, how about answering the question, name some democrats or liberals who believe and practice what Kennedy said in the quote above.

It appears that ONLY Dems believe it, brainwashed functional moron...

 

[zjjonathanjacobson]

Yes. It's quite a read. I'm wondering why Kennedy thought it the perfect set of lessons for the looming Cuban Missile Crisis. And why good for the troops to read?

Does it make sense to you that he would order a distro of copies to all sevrvicemen? DId that kind of thing ever happen during your stretch?

 

[francoHFW]

Yes. It's quite a read. I'm wondering why Kennedy thought it the perfect set of lessons for the looming Cuban Missile Crisis. And why good for the troops to read?

Does it make sense to you that he would order a distro of copies to all sevrvicemen? DId that kind of thing ever happen during your stretch?

I can't believe it's true.

 

[francoHFW]

Distributed to every US base...different.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...y.html&usg=AFQjCNEhqvqMdXCFgUVUmlu8iYgLTM8mQw

 

[zjjonathanjacobson]

Yeah, thanks for the article. It's unfortunately not grounded in evidence that would pass any historian's muster. The reporters are doing the lazy trick where they have a source that says the president sent out an order and the reporters assume the distro happened...And then other articles cite the one you sent as authoritative and then...it's all a circle j....You guys have the real downlow, just need to keep digging...

 

[francoHFW]

Yeah, thanks for the article. It's unfortunately not grounded in evidence that would pass any historian's muster. The reporters are doing the lazy trick where they have a source that says the president sent out an order and the reporters assume the distro happened...And then other articles cite the one you sent as authoritative and then...it's all a circle j....You guys have the real downlow, just need to keep digging...

Kennedy ordered "Guns of August" distributed to troops - Google Search

 

[zjjonathanjacobson]

Yeah, but there's no actual military record or credible source, they're all quoting the same people who heard JFK say that but follow through? don't know...so it's sleuthing time...