Kentucky clerk refusing gay marriage has wed four times

[TyroneSlothrop]

Jesus don't care who is zooming who people seriously ...Jesus simply don't care

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

4 Reasons the Christian Right's Claims of Moral Superiority Over the Rest of Us Just Don't Hold Water
Archaic sex and gender scripts drive hypocrisy. As gender roles and intimate relations become more flexible in modern society, the rigid Iron Age sex script gets harder and harder for Bible-believing Christians to impose, not only on society at large but even on themselves. Trying and failing, young Evangelicals vow abstinence until marriage but instead engage in impulsive, high-risk sex (because planning and protection would signal premeditation). Pastors, priests and patriarchal men—who often find the old script equally impossible—pay queer prostitutes, exploit their positions to fondle children and female parishioners, and fill the coffers of Internet porn providers, all the while loudly condemning the sexual obsessions of gays, women and youth

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Who was her first husband? Pa Kettle?

What is it to you? You need to follow Jesus Christ and confess your own sins not hers.

Question:

Why doesn't God reveal himself to us?

Why does your God, if he exists, have a thing about remaining unknown and in the process demand that people against all evidence to the contrary convince themselves that He exists?

NYcarbineer, what do you mean why doesn't God reveal himself to you? He has revealed himself through His Son, Jesus Christ, through His Word, through his servants that are preaching his word. I do not understand how you could find any evidence that would be contrary to believing he exists. Haven't you ever had a close call before with disaster and felt that God saved your life? Have you ever come close to death? It was God who kept you, Carbineer. Why did God do that? Because he loves you!
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. God desires that we come to Him by faith. That we believe Him and take Him at His Word. God desires for us to trust Him. Carbineer, how can you trust someone you do not know? You must read the Bible and ask the LORD to reveal Himself to you. Tell God that you desire to know what His will is and that once you know it you will be willing to do it no matter the cost.

When you seek the LORD with your whole heart you shall find him.

This is not a matter of your mind, but your heart. You need to open your heart to Jesus Christ and invite Him to come in and become your Lord and Savior. But first? You need to understand that apart from Christ you can do nothing. You need a new nature - the nature of Christ in exchange for your old one. You must be born again. John 3:16, Romans 10:9,10. In Christ you will become a new creation, God will give you a new heart and new desires to obey Him. He did it for me. Why wouldn't he do it for you? Of course he will. He loves you.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Jesus don't care who is zooming who people seriously ...Jesus simply don't care

That is not true. Jesus Christ died on a cross for our sins because of His great love for us. Without Him we would have no chance of entering heaven. No pardon for our sins. Nothing. It is through Christ that we are offered everlasting life. He cares far more than you can imagine!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Yo Jesus what is with your followers dude ...they are ruining your brand..take Kim Davis ....please....
Christian dogmas

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Jesus don't care who is zooming who people seriously ...Jesus simply don't care

That is not true. Jesus Christ died on a cross for our sins because of His great love for us. Without Him we would have no chance of entering heaven. No pardon for our sins. Nothing. It is through Christ that we are offered everlasting life. He cares far more than you can imagine!

Like I said if Christians are in heaven that is the last place I want to be for eternity...get real............

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Jesus is here to save us from what he and his father have planned for anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus is Lord ...do I have that correct ?...he is here to save us from the Eternal torment his Daddy is going to visit on anyone who does not pass muster...
Pardon me that sounds rather Psychotic..........

 

[rightwinger]

The anti's are out in force in an attem

that's a lie. i think jesus said great things. i think he'd hate that his name is being used to defend bigots and haters. he welcomed everyone and told the stone throwers to take a hike. i'm pretty sure he'd hate this witch in kentucky.

Jesus 'Jehovah's Salvation with us' did not approve of sodomy anywhere in the Bible. He welcomes everyone who is willing and desires to follow Him. That willingly part includes giving up their own sinful nature. Thus far all the haters such as yourself have done nothing more than attempt to slander this woman that is doing that for which she feels she is called to do. Jesus never said 'follow your own sinful nature'. He did say 'take up your cross and follow me'. Y
You just prove to the whole world online once again what a hateful person you truly are Jillian.

There is not a single sentence of evidence in the Bible that Jesus considered same sex marriage a sin.

But the old an new testament says that it is.
Jesus said a sin is forgiven but you should not sin again.

She sinned three times

Didn't seem too set on being repentant

Before she became a Christian.

Should she have been denied a marriage license because of her sins?

Why not?

 

[rightwinger]

Ibd, I believe it was Misty who said that she was a Democrat. You could fact check it.

It says She has been a Christian for four years.
How long has she been married to this last husband?
She was forgiven of her sins four years ago.

Attention:

Pay no attention to my adulterous ways. My three previous marriages were the work of the devil and I have now embraced Jesus and realize that God hates Fags

Good for you if you are sincere.

I believe she is sincere in that she hates Fags
I suspect she is not on her last marriage

Trust me dear Lord......I am sincere this time
This is my FINAL marriage

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Jesus on hypocrites: But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Everything they do is done for people to see.

Yes, Jesus told the Pharisees and Saduccees who were the Jewish religious leaders these things because they were hypocrites. But to the woman caught in adultery - he forgave her - to the woman at the well who was married 5 times and living with a 6th man he invited her to drink from the living waters and receive eternal life. You see, in this story? You and RW are acting like the religious Pharisees. Your both acting as her judge and yet God has forgiven her already of her past. So who are you to remind her of it?

Do not trouble Christians you'll have to answer to God for it.

God's promise to his own children:

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
II Thessalonians 1:6

She hands out licenses to adulterers. This is what exposes her as a deceiver, a hypocrite, and a showboating bigot.

You are a fool for defending her as she mars Christianity.

She is also not performing her duty to uphold the law.

I'm sure she never eats shellfish nor wears clothing of mixed fabrics...I'm sure of it because...you know...The Bible an' all...

G5000, brought up a valid point on the matter of issuing a license to someone who is an adulterer and you are helping them get a license. I wouldn't do it but that is me. What God would expect from me He might not expect from another person - I cannot say. To me it is an appearance of evil. I would not drive in a car with a man who was not my husband (without my husband being in the car too) I wouldn't work in a marriage license office for a $200,000.00 salary never mind an $80,000.00 salary. My Christianity isn't for sale.

OK, so I suppose the questions is; "Is it alright for a Christian to pick which parts of the Scriptures they want to adhere to and those that they don't?"
Are there any teachings about selectively applying God's Law?

Isn't their standing to be able to claim that they are applying divine law to others diminished when they ignore other divine laws for themselves?

There is no more sacrifice necessary for sin as Jesus Christ fulfilled the law when he died on a cross for our sins and God raised him from the grave on the third day. So it isn't selective. It's fulfilled. The matter of liberty in Christ has been established. As Jesus said, It is finished.

Now the standard is we are crucified with Christ, no longer are we to live according ourselves but it is His life in us that is lived. If we walk according to the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If a Christian chooses to act like the world, sin like the world, dress like the world, seeking to have godless conversations that are based on sensual sins, enticing words, foolish conversation they are to be avoided, have nothing to do with them. They are to be warned but after that Christians who fear the LORD and obey the LORD are to have nothing to do with them.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

You are

The anti's are out in force in an attem

that's a lie. i think jesus said great things. i think he'd hate that his name is being used to defend bigots and haters. he welcomed everyone and told the stone throwers to take a hike. i'm pretty sure he'd hate this witch in kentucky.

Jesus 'Jehovah's Salvation with us' did not approve of sodomy anywhere in the Bible. He welcomes everyone who is willing and desires to follow Him. That willingly part includes giving up their own sinful nature. Thus far all the haters such as yourself have done nothing more than attempt to slander this woman that is doing that for which she feels she is called to do. Jesus never said 'follow your own sinful nature'. He did say 'take up your cross and follow me'. Y
You just prove to the whole world online once again what a hateful person you truly are Jillian.

There is not a single sentence of evidence in the Bible that Jesus considered same sex marriage a sin.

You are correct it is not specifically identified as a sin in the translations of the old English Bible. It is definitely identified as an abomination, it does not honor the heavenly Father and that is a portion of why Sodom and Gomorrah is destroyed.

Wrong, there is no reference to homosexual sex within the bonds of a gay marriage. The Bible condemns all sex outside marriage.

.

Quote the verse or verses sex is condemned outside of marriage. Word of warning, you can't, there isn't one

SassyIrishLass NYcarbineer

? Oh yes there is! There is more than one bible verse condemning sex outside of marriage. Far more than one. Here are several and you'll note that those who engage in fornication cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. It is better to marry than to burn with lust, Irish Lass.

It is written:

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 6:18

and again it is written:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19,20,21

and again it is written:

And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
2 Corinthians 12:21

and again it is written:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:9

and it is written:

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Ephesians 5:3

and it is written:

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Colossians 3:5

and again it is written:

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1 Thessalonians 4:3

and again it is written:

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Hebrews 13:4

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
1 Corinthians 7:9

 

[idb]

Yes, Jesus told the Pharisees and Saduccees who were the Jewish religious leaders these things because they were hypocrites. But to the woman caught in adultery - he forgave her - to the woman at the well who was married 5 times and living with a 6th man he invited her to drink from the living waters and receive eternal life. You see, in this story? You and RW are acting like the religious Pharisees. Your both acting as her judge and yet God has forgiven her already of her past. So who are you to remind her of it?

Do not trouble Christians you'll have to answer to God for it.

God's promise to his own children:

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
II Thessalonians 1:6

She hands out licenses to adulterers. This is what exposes her as a deceiver, a hypocrite, and a showboating bigot.

You are a fool for defending her as she mars Christianity.

She is also not performing her duty to uphold the law.

I'm sure she never eats shellfish nor wears clothing of mixed fabrics...I'm sure of it because...you know...The Bible an' all...

G5000, brought up a valid point on the matter of issuing a license to someone who is an adulterer and you are helping them get a license. I wouldn't do it but that is me. What God would expect from me He might not expect from another person - I cannot say. To me it is an appearance of evil. I would not drive in a car with a man who was not my husband (without my husband being in the car too) I wouldn't work in a marriage license office for a $200,000.00 salary never mind an $80,000.00 salary. My Christianity isn't for sale.

OK, so I suppose the questions is; "Is it alright for a Christian to pick which parts of the Scriptures they want to adhere to and those that they don't?"
Are there any teachings about selectively applying God's Law?

Isn't their standing to be able to claim that they are applying divine law to others diminished when they ignore other divine laws for themselves?

There is no more sacrifice necessary for sin as Jesus Christ fulfilled the law when he died on a cross for our sins and God raised him from the grave on the third day. So it isn't selective. It's fulfilled. The matter of liberty in Christ has been established. As Jesus said, It is finished.

Now the standard is we are crucified with Christ, no longer are we to live according ourselves but it is His life in us that is lived. If we walk according to the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If a Christian chooses to act like the world, sin like the world, dress like the world, seeking to have godless conversations that are based on sensual sins, enticing words, foolish conversation they are to be avoided, have nothing to do with them. They are to be warned but after that Christians who fear the LORD and obey the LORD are to have nothing to do with them.

Your first paragraph doesn't seem to gell with the second.
In the first you say that our sins are exonerated but in the second anyone that sins or doesn't obey the Lord then should be shunned.
Why?
How can we be judged by fellow Christians when the Lord says that we have been forgiven?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

She hands out licenses to adulterers. This is what exposes her as a deceiver, a hypocrite, and a showboating bigot.

You are a fool for defending her as she mars Christianity.

She is also not performing her duty to uphold the law.

I'm sure she never eats shellfish nor wears clothing of mixed fabrics...I'm sure of it because...you know...The Bible an' all...

G5000, brought up a valid point on the matter of issuing a license to someone who is an adulterer and you are helping them get a license. I wouldn't do it but that is me. What God would expect from me He might not expect from another person - I cannot say. To me it is an appearance of evil. I would not drive in a car with a man who was not my husband (without my husband being in the car too) I wouldn't work in a marriage license office for a $200,000.00 salary never mind an $80,000.00 salary. My Christianity isn't for sale.

OK, so I suppose the questions is; "Is it alright for a Christian to pick which parts of the Scriptures they want to adhere to and those that they don't?"
Are there any teachings about selectively applying God's Law?

Isn't their standing to be able to claim that they are applying divine law to others diminished when they ignore other divine laws for themselves?

There is no more sacrifice necessary for sin as Jesus Christ fulfilled the law when he died on a cross for our sins and God raised him from the grave on the third day. So it isn't selective. It's fulfilled. The matter of liberty in Christ has been established. As Jesus said, It is finished.

Now the standard is we are crucified with Christ, no longer are we to live according ourselves but it is His life in us that is lived. If we walk according to the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If a Christian chooses to act like the world, sin like the world, dress like the world, seeking to have godless conversations that are based on sensual sins, enticing words, foolish conversation they are to be avoided, have nothing to do with them. They are to be warned but after that Christians who fear the LORD and obey the LORD are to have nothing to do with them.

Your first paragraph doesn't seem to gell with the second.
In the first you say that our sins are exonerated but in the second anyone that sins or doesn't obey the Lord then should be shunned.
Why?
How can we be judged by fellow Christians when the Lord says that we have been forgiven?

If you keep on sinning there is no more remission of sin. See Hebrews 10:26.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Here it is, idb

it is written:

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Hebrews 10: 23-30

and again it is written:
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hebrews 12:14

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Idb, people are following a wide road false gospel that preaches that you can sin your way to heaven. It isn't true. As you can see from these New Testament Scriptures above. We are to follow peace with all men AND HOLINESS. Why are we to live holy lives and follow peace with all men? Because if we do not? We shall not see the LORD. If we meet Jesus Christ without having crucified our flesh - continuing in sin - as born again believers? He will say to us, Depart from me, ye worker of iniquity I never knew you. He warns that many will come to him in that day and say, Lord, Lord, did we not do these things in your name? And the signs following were not enough because if a person falls back into sin and stays there? They will lose their salvation.

To refuse to acknowledge or have fellowship with Christians who are fornicators, adulterers, liars, willfully sinning and seducing others to sin? Is the right response. After they are warned? It's a matter of praying for them and leaving them to themselves. If one was to have fellowship with them it would lead them to believe their sin was acceptable. Aside from that a little leaven -leavens the whole lump. It's very unwise to ignore Paul's teachings on the matter.

 

[idb]

Here it is, idb

it is written:

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Hebrews 10: 23-30

OK, clear enough I suppose.

So, in the instance of this woman;
Some are saying here that she divorced and committed adultery before she became a Christian.
The implication being that her sins were forgiven from that point on I guess.
If she is now living with her third husband...is that a sin?

 

[Campbell]

The anti's are out in force in an attem

that's a lie. i think jesus said great things. i think he'd hate that his name is being used to defend bigots and haters. he welcomed everyone and told the stone throwers to take a hike. i'm pretty sure he'd hate this witch in kentucky.

Jesus 'Jehovah's Salvation with us' did not approve of sodomy anywhere in the Bible. He welcomes everyone who is willing and desires to follow Him. That willingly part includes giving up their own sinful nature. Thus far all the haters such as yourself have done nothing more than attempt to slander this woman that is doing that for which she feels she is called to do. Jesus never said 'follow your own sinful nature'. He did say 'take up your cross and follow me'. Y
You just prove to the whole world online once again what a hateful person you truly are Jillian.

There is not a single sentence of evidence in the Bible that Jesus considered same sex marriage a sin.

But the old an new testament says that it is.
Jesus said a sin is forgiven but you should not sin again.

She sinned three times

Didn't seem too set on being repentant

This whole Christianity thing is a fantastic scam...I might get in on it...

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised that The Lord doesn't work that way, so I stole one and asked him to forgive me.

Do you ever watch John Oliver's Sunday night TV show on HBO?

Upon finding out about mega-churches like those led by Kenneth Copeland and Robert Tilton, which earn millions of dollars every year but are exempt from paying taxes, Last Week Tonight host John Oliver did the only logical thing—he formed his own church. Specifically, he formed, Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption.

Oliver has actually gone through all the legal procedures and has been granted tax free status using his TV show as the weekly meeting of the newly formed church. He actually had a Black choir singing at the end of the show. He pointed out that they will accept donations of any amount. Of course I suppose the whole act was to simply draw attention to how easy it is for a church to be formed and gain tax free status.

 

[Blackrook]

It's too bad that the media didn't vet Obama like they did to this humble clerk.

All of Obama's dark past was suppressed and censored in mainstream media.

 

[Claudette]

I have no problem with gay marriage and if its the law and the clerk is refusing then she should be made to provide for gays as well as straights. If not then she needs to lose her job. There is always someone who will do your job if you won't.

People can be such idiots.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This can happen only in Conservative Bizarro World....

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times

The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life.
The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008.
She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried.
Davis has described her desire to strictly adhere to the Bible in stark terms and thus far has shown no sign of bending to court orders on same-sex marriage

Here is a right wing position for you: She is an activist government bureaucrat trying to push her social and religious agenda on others. She is no different from the Muslim who refuses to serve a customer because they are carrying pork. If the law permits same sex licenses then she is obligated to provide them as she is a public servant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Remember the same sex wedding cake controversy?

Remember how we kept being told that was about having to 'participate in the ceremony' and how that was different than just refusing someone service?

Well? What 'ceremony' is this person being required to participate in?