Kill The Profit Motive And You Kill Modern Medical Advances And Prosperity

[bripat9643]

ie. You made it up on the spot. Thanks for confirming.

And this all goes back to the point that just because the government makes laws or regulations for something, that doesn't make it a socialist system. You're fucking hilarious though as your ridiculous point continues to whittle away to nothing.

I told you how I got the 50% figure. I know you can't do anything than ignore obvious facts.

I know, you made it up straight out of your ass. Just like I said.

You have a bad habit of deliberately misstating what other posters say.

 

[RDD_1210]

Well, salk.edu couldn't possibly have a bias, now could it?

Who would know more about Salk and his life, you or Salk.edu?

Face it, your entire thread has been debunked and blown completely out of the water.

ROLF! Yeah, so who would know more about Romney than Romney ? I guess that means we should only believe what Romney says about himself rather than what his critics said about him, right?

Agreed. Now, you admit you have no business talking about what Salk was about since you are nowhere close to an authority.

</debate over>

 

[RDD_1210]

I told you how I got the 50% figure. I know you can't do anything than ignore obvious facts.

I know, you made it up straight out of your ass. Just like I said.

You have a bad habit of deliberately misstating what other posters say.

I sure don't. You do however, like to invent meanings for words that already have meanings.

 

[bripat9643]

Who would know more about Salk and his life, you or Salk.edu?

Face it, your entire thread has been debunked and blown completely out of the water.

ROLF! Yeah, so who would know more about Romney than Romney ? I guess that means we should only believe what Romney says about himself rather than what his critics said about him, right?

Agreed. Now, you admit you have no business talking about what Salk was about since you are nowhere close to an authority.

</debate over>

Yeah, it's over because you know you're making a fool of yourself.

 

[bripat9643]

I know, you made it up straight out of your ass. Just like I said.

You have a bad habit of deliberately misstating what other posters say.

I sure don't. You do however, like to invent meanings for words that already have meanings.

ROFL! Liberals have their own self-serving idiosyncratic definitions for everything.

You can pretend our healthcare system isn't socialist all you want, but economists have a different perspective. They look at the reality rather than just appearances.

If you want to call it a "command system" rather than socialism, be my guest. However, to an economist the two things are one and the same. Socialism is where government makes all the important business decisions. That's how our healthcare system currently works.

 

[RDD_1210]

ROLF! Yeah, so who would know more about Romney than Romney ? I guess that means we should only believe what Romney says about himself rather than what his critics said about him, right?

Agreed. Now, you admit you have no business talking about what Salk was about since you are nowhere close to an authority.

</debate over>

Yeah, it's over because you know you're making a fool of yourself.

You're only making it worse now with each post you make.

 

[RDD_1210]

You have a bad habit of deliberately misstating what other posters say.

I sure don't. You do however, like to invent meanings for words that already have meanings.

ROFL! Liberals have their own self-serving idiosyncratic definitions for everything.

You can pretend our healthcare system isn't socialist all you want, but economists have a different perspective. They look at the reality rather than just appearances.

If you want to call it a "command system" rather than socialism, be my guest. However, to an economist the two things are one and the same. Socialism is where government makes all the important business decisions. That's how our healthcare system currently works.

Only idiots like you think our healthcare system is socialized medicine. Europe has many examples if you want to know what a socialized healthcare system looks like.

 

[bripat9643]

ie. You made it up on the spot. Thanks for confirming.

And this all goes back to the point that just because the government makes laws or regulations for something, that doesn't make it socialist. You're fucking hilarious though as your ridiculous point continues to whittle away to nothing.

Like I said, to the degree that regulations control the business decisions of the industry, that is the degree to which it is socialist. I realize you want to pretend that government can make all the decisions and still call it capitalism, but that's not how economists look at it.

When government sets all the prices and determines what products will be sold and sets the wages of employees, it has become the de facto owner of a business. That's socialism of the NAZI variety. The describes Obamacare to a 'T.'

I know you don't want to admit it, because you like to imagine you aren't a socialist. Unfortunately facts are facts. Regulating business to the Nth degree is the same as running the business. There's no practical difference.

Let me see if I have all of your facts straight:

Government is setting the price of all insurance plans under Obamacare

Government now sets the amount insurance companies will be reimbursed for every procedure, and it sets the terms of the policies that insurance companies may offer. It therefor effectively sets the prices that insurance companies charge.

Government is setting the wages of all doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals

Yes it is. It sets the amount that doctors can be reimbursed by insurance and by Medicare and Medicaid, so it is setting the amount that doctors can earn. It also sets the amount that hospitals can be reimbursed for.

Obamacare = Nazism

Is that what you're saying? Do I have that correct? I just want to be sure I understand exactly what you're saying, so that there is no confusion later on. Please correct which parts you feel are not indicative of your position.

Exactly.

 

[RDD_1210]

ie. You made it up on the spot. Thanks for confirming.

And this all goes back to the point that just because the government makes laws or regulations for something, that doesn't make it socialist. You're fucking hilarious though as your ridiculous point continues to whittle away to nothing.

Like I said, to the degree that regulations control the business decisions of the industry, that is the degree to which it is socialist. I realize you want to pretend that government can make all the decisions and still call it capitalism, but that's not how economists look at it.

When government sets all the prices and determines what products will be sold and sets the wages of employees, it has become the de facto owner of a business. That's socialism of the NAZI variety. The describes Obamacare to a 'T.'

I know you don't want to admit it, because you like to imagine you aren't a socialist. Unfortunately facts are facts. Regulating business to the Nth degree is the same as running the business. There's no practical difference.

Let me see if I have all of your facts straight:

• Government is setting the price of all insurance plans under Obamacare
• Government is setting the wages of all doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals
• Obamacare = Nazism

Is that what you're saying? Do I have that correct? I just want to be sure I understand exactly what you're saying, so that there is no confusion later on. Please correct which parts you feel are not indicative of your position.

I assume by the lack or response from you that these are indeed your thoughts. No?

 

[bripat9643]

I sure don't. You do however, like to invent meanings for words that already have meanings.

ROFL! Liberals have their own self-serving idiosyncratic definitions for everything.

You can pretend our healthcare system isn't socialist all you want, but economists have a different perspective. They look at the reality rather than just appearances.

If you want to call it a "command system" rather than socialism, be my guest. However, to an economist the two things are one and the same. Socialism is where government makes all the important business decisions. That's how our healthcare system currently works.

Only idiots like you think our healthcare system is socialized medicine. Europe has many examples if you want to know what a socialized healthcare system looks like.

Europe has one form of socialized medicine. We have another. We have the NAZI version of socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

Agreed. Now, you admit you have no business talking about what Salk was about since you are nowhere close to an authority.

</debate over>

Yeah, it's over because you know you're making a fool of yourself.

You're only making it worse now with each post you make.

ROFL!

Yeah, right.

You're hilarious.

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't see why everyone hates profit so much. Why on earth should we expect people to work if they are to not receive any compensation for their labors?

 

[RDD_1210]

ROFL! Liberals have their own self-serving idiosyncratic definitions for everything.

You can pretend our healthcare system isn't socialist all you want, but economists have a different perspective. They look at the reality rather than just appearances.

If you want to call it a "command system" rather than socialism, be my guest. However, to an economist the two things are one and the same. Socialism is where government makes all the important business decisions. That's how our healthcare system currently works.

Only idiots like you think our healthcare system is socialized medicine. Europe has many examples if you want to know what a socialized healthcare system looks like.

Europe has one form of socialized medicine. We have another. We have the NAZI version of socialism.

Hahahahahahahaahhahaahah, the Nazi version he says. I didn't realize Hitler established a plan to ensure all citizens were able to access healthcare no matter what preexisting conditions they may have (jewish obviously was one preexisting condition he didn't exlude obviously).

Please tell me more about our Nazi healthcare system.

 

[RDD_1210]

I don't see why everyone hates profit so much. Why on earth should we expect people to work if they are to not receive any compensation for their labors?

Who hates profit? Nice strawman.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't see why everyone hates profit so much. Why on earth should we expect people to work if they are to not receive any compensation for their labors?

Liberals demonize profit so they can make corporations into villains. How can you justify looting them and regulating them out of business if you don't first paint them as the enemy?

 

[RDD_1210]

Yeah, it's over because you know you're making a fool of yourself.

You're only making it worse now with each post you make.

ROFL!

Yeah, right.

You're hilarious.

I'm pretty sure you just said we have Nazi socialism healthcare in this country.

So, Umm, Yeah....

 

[bripat9643]

I don't see why everyone hates profit so much. Why on earth should we expect people to work if they are to not receive any compensation for their labors?

Who hates profit? Nice strawman.

Every liberal who tries to justify Obamacare has attacked insurance company profits.

 

[bripat9643]

You're only making it worse now with each post you make.

ROFL!

Yeah, right.

You're hilarious.

I'm pretty sure you just said we have Nazi socialism healthcare in this country.

So, Umm, Yeah....

Yes, I did.

So?

 

[Fishlore]

The medical arts have not traditionally been driven by the profit motive but by humanitarian compassion and the quest for scientific knowledge. The profit motive in healing arts has been the home of quacks and frauds seeking enrichment from human suffering.

Capitalism, which commoditizes everything it touches, has done nothing to change the situation. The vast bulk of medical research is socialized, conducted by government-funded agencies and non-profit universities. The pharmaceutical industry spends more on advertising and lobbying than it does on research.

What the profit motive has done to American medicine is double the cost while worsening outcomes. We now spend twice as much per capita on medical care as anybody else and are no longer in even the top ten nations in our medical outcomes.

 

[The Rabbi]

"....nor did he earn any money from his discovery, preferring to see it distributed as widely as possible."

Weird how you ignored that part.

You lose....again.

So the fact he ended up with his own foundation and reseach facility indicates his motives were pure as driven snow?
Again, you beclown yourself.

You just hate the idea that someone could do something for the betterment of humanity and not the fattening of their bank account.

It's a foreign concept to someone like you, who has never had an idea worth a shit and certainly doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

Actually you hate the idea of anyone doing anything for profit.
Again you deflect from the issue. Why is this surprising? It isnt. In all the months you've posted here you have yet to make a cogent point that is well supported.