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Again, these situations did not cause millions of abortions, so let's take them off the table and deal with the real issue. The greatest percentage of abortions are not due to anyone's health or to rape. Are they?It is inconsistent to "murder the baby" in order to save the life of the "mother."
It is inconsistent to allow abortions in cases of rape or incense. If those lead to pregnancy, you have to believe that is God's will. But you don't really believe in what you preach; sadistic Puritanism is what motivates you. Hunt any witches lately?
So, under your benighted despotism, if I wanted to put up a statue of Jupiter on my front lawn and pray and offer sacrifices to it you would have no objections?Wait till you see what the atheists have in store for your free will. With Christianity, there is always free will. In essence, I am demanding you have the opportunity to be free.
And the name is Mashmont. Please don't slur my name. I don't slur yours.
Who is “we” . It certainly is a religious belief. It is a matter of a God given soul that makes human life different from animals. It’s a matter if you believe in a soul what is the moment that it takes an Identity as a separate self. You do not know when that happens. I don’t believe we have a concept of time when it happens.We have already established that it is not a religious belief, b
Absolutely you can. Make it a part of your expression of your religious beliefs. And try to convince convince convince without force and aggression others by making your life a perfect example of being actively involved in the church or unchurched of your choice. Christian churches have been losing membership for over a decade. So don’t try to make up for that by the force of government coercion. I see white Christians for the most part attempting to make up for the decline in followers by co-opting the government to force their belief on nonbelievers by changing the law through one political party. That is wrong and dangerous for our democracy when coercion by the state is aligned writing the church.. As an American citizen can I speak out about why abortion is wrong? Or am I required to nod along that ending an innocent life is the right and proper decision for that life?
I am not talking about soul. I am talking about life. We do not pop into existence a fully formed infant, we grow. I see no difference in taking a life before soul or after soul. Cellular growth indicates life. I did tell you I have never seen this as a religious belief--even though I do follow a religion. Even if a soul is there the first time cells divide, abortion does not kill the soul--the soul returns to God. It is the physical life that is destroyed, an opportunity missed.Who is “we” . It certainly is a religious belief. It is a matter of a God given soul that makes human life different from animals. It’s a matter if you believe in a soul what is the moment that it takes an Identity as a separate self. You do not know when that happens. I don’t believe we have a concept of time when it happens.
The reason I disagree is that those who favor divorce, abortion, euthanasia use politics and lobbies (lawyers, for example) to push these policies. If lawyers and doctors can push their policies then why deny the same to priests, rabbis, and deacons? Does a true democracy deny people of opposing beliefs of a lesser voice? Note that those pushing the three issues I listed show no willingness to compromise: Abortion for any reason; divorce for any reason; euthanasia for any reason.I see white Christians for the most part attempting to make up for the decline in followers by co-opting the government to force their belief on nonbelievers by changing the law through one political party. That is wrong and dangerous for our democracy when coercion by the state is aligned writing the church.
What makes it your business if something starts growing in another persons body?am not talking about soul. I am talking about life. We do not pop into existence a fully formed infant, we grow.
If lawyers and doctors can push their policies then why deny the same to priests, rabbis, and deacons?
Who said anything about it being anyone's business? What business is it of mine if one group of soldiers decides to behead those they perceive as enemy? For that matter, what business is it of mine if one of my students was killed in a traffic fatality? Just what is it you think is anyone's business, from how they dress, how they eat, or who they bully?What makes it your business if something starts growing in another persons body?
Correct. So that the state can make or do away with any law the state wants. And label any opposition as "religious" and therefore safely ignored. Let's wait until the state ignores you for whatever label it decides to assign you. Each and every citizen is more than law and medicine. Or, any label others decide to slap on one.There is no separation of law and state.
There is no separation of medicine and state.
There is a separation of religion and state for good reason.
When you tell a woman she is murderer if she has a legal abortion you are not minding your own business but you have a right to be like that, but the woman can tell you to mind your own business. When you push for a change in the law to tell a woman will go to prison for murder if you have your way you take are taking getting into her business to the extremes of enforcing state coercion based on your religious belief. That is wrong. You have declared that your religious belief about when life begins gives you the right through the state to control another person’s body, perhaps to please your relationship with God.Who said anything about it being anyone's business?
Correct. So that the state can make or do away with any law the state wants. And label any opposition as "religious" and therefore safely ignored.
Choosing life is not telling a woman she is a murderer. It is choosing life, standing for the ideal. Do you truly want us to hide that light?When you tell a woman she is murderer if she has a legal abortion you are not minding your own business but you have a right to be like that, but the woman can tell you to mind your own business.
Never in my life have I pushed for that. Can't imagine that I would. What I have been saying for DECADES is that government should NEVER be in favor of ending an innocent life--yet never prosecute the mother. That burden lies solely with the mother. And that burden is prison enough.When you push for a change in the law to tell a woman will go to prison for murder
As I said, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with my views as a citizen in this democracy.You have declared that your religious belief about when life begins gives you the right through the state to control another person’s body, perhaps to please your relationship with God.
Again, not a religious belief. A belief that life is the ideal. That there is something greater than sexual pleasure in the larger scheme of things. Do we truly want sexual pleasure to be the greatest height we achieve--that is what we want to put as the pinnacle of our own existence? That is the democracy for which you yearn?You want to impose your religious belief that pregnancy is not a matter of an individual’s right.
I believe that life is the ideal. I do not believe that life begins at the moment that the Catholic Church believes it begins. I do not believe in your religion.Again, not a religious belief. A belief that life is the ideal
I have no idea what sexual pleasure has to do with our disagreement about when life begins. Where did you get your belief that life starts at conception?. Do we truly want sexual pleasure to be the greatest height we achieve--that is what we want to put as the pinnacle of our own existence?
The US government is not in favor of a woman terminating her pregnancy. The government is neutral on the matter of conscience between her and her partner and doctor. And when she decides to abort it is not terminating an innocent life unless she belongs to a church that says she is.What I have been saying for DECADES is that government should NEVER be in favor of ending an innocent life--yet never prosecute the mother.
Sounds like a horrible world, thanks for a glimpse of your dystopian Christian world but no thanks.Here are a few beneficial changes that would be made under a Christian United States government. So many problems would vanish overnight with this legislation. Many more would reduce over time. There could be more. These were just a few things I thought of initially. Really common sense stuff, basically a return to 1950s television, an era when families were stronger and children became independent earlier, and societal norms opposed sex outside marriage. A time when top shows were Donna Reed and Leave it to Beaver. A time when it was the norm to attend church, there were the most priests and sisters and Catholic schools in history.
This could be a reality, folks, if enough of us think about it, work towards it, and pray hard. They never though Roe v Wade would fall, and now look what is happening, so it CAN be done!
In the Schools:
Christian/Catholic sexual morality taught from the earliest grades:
1. Human lives are of supreme importance. Animals are subordinate,
2. Sex is only permissible through marriage
3. Birth control will not be discussed, nor will condoms be distributed in the schools.
4. Sex education would be replaced with sensible teaching on dating which would include recommendations of:
..... a. Relatively early curfew times
..... b. No passionate kissing prior to marriage
.....c. Emphasis on getting to know the other person
.....d. Duggar-style side hugs, rather than frontal.
Ten Commandments, crosses, and crucifixes may be displayed.
School prayer allowed and encouraged.
Christmas may be celebrated. Christian themed decorations may be used
Christian-themed Christmas plays may be performed.
Racist CRT banned.
Prominent Americans returned to the history books. Lives of the greatest canonized saints would be added in order to inspire children.
Christian schools would be strengthened.
All leftwing/ Marxist propaganda removed from schools and universities. Overt Marxists teachers would either reform or be dismissed.
No alcohol allowed in university dorms which house underaged students. (You might be amazed this is allowed in many or most freshman dorms).
In movies and television:
In media:
- Nudity is banned.
- Depictions of sex outside marriage banned
- Foul language banned
- Graphic physical harm depictions banned
- Only nuclear family depictions: Parents married.
- Depictions of cohabitation banned.
- Gay sex acts are banned.
No legislation may be pushed by a news outlet that violates Christian moral teaching. Abortion, rioting, extra rights for gays or trans, pitting women against men may not be advocated. Basically any promotion of the issues Marxist atheists use to divide and undermine the country will be banned.
In commerce and law:
Pornography banned.
Abortion mills illegal.
Mexico City Policy made permanent.
Most government domestic programs will be shut down, and a private sharing program would be established where people send funds directly to those designated in need. This would eliminate large piles of money. This will be the topic of another thread. It is based on charity, rather than coercion. It would also remove power from leftwing politicians
Government photo and/or fingerprint or retinal ID would be used for all voting. No drop boxes. Only verified mail-in voting. Very limited early voting.
Illegal immigration would be stopped cold. Legal immigration requirements would be relaxed for countries for which they are onerous.
Recreational drugs once again illegalized.
