Laws I Would Enact in an Officially Christian United States Government

[Stann]

It's like this in many Muslim countries.

And would you want to live there ?

 

[Stann]

Holy Roll Her in the Hay

I asked a Filipina what percentage of Spanish blood her people had. She said it all came from Jesuit missionaries.

St. Ignatius, the founder of that religious order, had a diocesan-priest brother who had three illegitimate children and Ignatius didn't mind that. Back then, even the most fanatical Catholics were realistic about the sex drive. One Pope was even the illegitimate son of another Pope.

There's the flip side of this to consider too, another pope wanted his lover to be the next pope after him. I believe the bishops murdered him.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

This author has also written a book on The Closing of the Western Mind, and I look forward to reading that as well because I think it might assist me in understanding the valid difficulties people have with Christianity.

NFBW wrote: I am trying to understand a Catholic person’s argument against the freedom of choice for non-Catholic Americans. It is a mortal sin against God and the Catholic Church to terminate a pregnancy si the sinner does not achieve salvation which means eternal consequences are pending. But it is not murder or a crime that shouldi be punished or made into law by the civil secular protected society in which she lives. ROE vs Wade therefore is a protection against American non-believers from being forced to comply with Christian or Catholic law. Are you in full agreement with that?

Church Has Always Condemned Abortion By Fr. William Saunders
The Roman Catholic Church has consistently condemned abortion — the direct and purposeful taking of the life of the unborn child. In principle, Catholic Christians believe that all life is sacred from conception until natural death, and the taking of innocent human life, whether born or unborn, is morally wrong. The Church teaches, "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being" ("Donum vitae," 5).The respect for the sacredness of life in the womb originates in Christianity’s Jewish roots. The ancient Jewish world was much different from the surrounding cultures of Palestine where infanticide, infant sacrifice and abortion were not uncommon, and in some cases prevalent. For the Jewish people of those times and orthodox Jews to this day, all human life has as its author the one God whose creative power produces the child in the mother’s womb and brings it step-by-step to full life. The Old Testament revelation, which the Church inherited and accepted, gives clear evidence that life in the womb was considered as sacred. Moses proclaimed, "When you hearken to the voice of the Lord, your God, all these blessings will come upon you and overwhelm you: May you be blessed in the city, and blessed in the country! Blessed be the fruit of your womb, the produce of your soil and the offspring of your livestock, the issue of your herds and the young of your flocks! Blessed be your grain bin and your kneading bowl! May you be blessed in your coming in and blessed in your going out!" (Dt 28:2-6). The angel told the mother of Sampson, "As for the son you will conceive and bear, no razor shall touch his head, for this boy is to be consecrated to God from the womb" (Jgs 13:5). Job stated, "Did not he who made me in the womb make him? Did not the same one fashion us before our birth?" (Jb 31:15). In Psalm 139:13, we pray, "Truly you have formed my inmost being; you knit me in my mother’s womb."

Religion should be able to speak out on the morality of laws under consideration. In other words, religion should have a voice.

NFBW wrote: Yes you should. And you do.. You call the current President evil, not because he has committed a sin, but because he does not ‘speak out’ against a sin in secular society as you do.

22FEB06-POST#383

 

[Colin norris]

Here are a few beneficial changes that would be made under a Christian United States government. So many problems would vanish overnight with this legislation. Many more would reduce over time. There could be more. These were just a few things I thought of initially. Really common sense stuff, basically a return to 1950s television, an era when families were stronger and children became independent earlier, and societal norms opposed sex outside marriage. A time when top shows were Donna Reed and Leave it to Beaver. A time when it was the norm to attend church, there were the most priests and sisters and Catholic schools in history.

This could be a reality, folks, if enough of us think about it, work towards it, and pray hard. They never though Roe v Wade would fall, and now look what is happening, so it CAN be done!


In the Schools:
Christian/Catholic sexual morality taught from the earliest grades:
1. Human lives are of supreme importance. Animals are subordinate,
2. Sex is only permissible through marriage
3. Birth control will not be discussed, nor will condoms be distributed in the schools.
4. Sex education would be replaced with sensible teaching on dating which would include recommendations of:
..... a. Relatively early curfew times
..... b. No passionate kissing prior to marriage
.....c. Emphasis on getting to know the other person
.....d. Duggar-style side hugs, rather than frontal.

Ten Commandments, crosses, and crucifixes may be displayed.
School prayer allowed and encouraged.
Christmas may be celebrated. Christian themed decorations may be used
Christian-themed Christmas plays may be performed.
Racist CRT banned.
Prominent Americans returned to the history books. Lives of the greatest canonized saints would be added in order to inspire children.
Christian schools would be strengthened.
All leftwing/ Marxist propaganda removed from schools and universities. Overt Marxists teachers would either reform or be dismissed.
No alcohol allowed in university dorms which house underaged students. (You might be amazed this is allowed in many or most freshman dorms).


In movies and television:

• Nudity is banned.
• Depictions of sex outside marriage banned
• Foul language banned
• Graphic physical harm depictions banned
• Only nuclear family depictions: Parents married.
• Depictions of cohabitation banned.
• Gay sex acts are banned.

In media:
No legislation may be pushed by a news outlet that violates Christian moral teaching. Abortion, rioting, extra rights for gays or trans, pitting women against men may not be advocated. Basically any promotion of the issues Marxist atheists use to divide and undermine the country will be banned.

In commerce and law:
Pornography banned.
Abortion mills illegal.
Mexico City Policy made permanent.
Most government domestic programs will be shut down, and a private sharing program would be established where people send funds directly to those designated in need. This would eliminate large piles of money. This will be the topic of another thread. It is based on charity, rather than coercion. It would also remove power from leftwing politicians
Government photo and/or fingerprint or retinal ID would be used for all voting. No drop boxes. Only verified mail-in voting. Very limited early voting.
Illegal immigration would be stopped cold. Legal immigration requirements would be relaxed for countries for which they are onerous.
Recreational drugs once again illegalized.

Do you have permission from God to speak on his behalf because that's where that rubbish came from.
With those rules in place, where's the freedom for those who disagree with them?
Most if thisecitems are related to sex. The most natural thing since time began, until God got dragged into it to punish th9se heathens and atheists.
Stick to your bible son.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

With those rules in place, where's the freedom for those who disagree with them?

Could you Colin norris or Meriweather or Stann ask the OP pretty much the same question as follows.

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I am trying to understand a Catholic person’s argument against the freedom of choice for non-Catholic Americans. It is a mortal sin against God and the Catholic Church to terminate a pregnancy if the sinner does not achieve salvation which means eternal consequences are pending. But it is not murder or a crime that should be punished or made into law by the civil secular protected society in which she lives. ROE vs Wade therefore is a protection against American non-believers from being forced to comply with Christian or Catholic law. Are you in full agreement with that​

I seek merely the opportunity in my attempt at understanding the devout Catholic’s mind. Thanks

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Abortion mills illegal.

Is abortion banned if performed by her personal physician or a doctor not in a mill? What about the abortion pill? That is not a mill.

 

[Mashmont]

Do you have permission from God to speak on his behalf because that's where that rubbish came from.
With those rules in place, where's the freedom for those who disagree with them?
Most if thisecitems are related to sex. The most natural thing since time began, until God got dragged into it to punish th9se heathens and atheists.
Stick to your bible son.

When the atheists take over, as they currently are on trajectory to do, you'll get to find out how much your 'freedoms' mean. If you think that's better than Christianity, I suggest you move to China or North Korea and find out.

 

[Mashmont]

Is abortion banned if performed by her personal physician or a doctor not in a mill? What about the abortion pill? That is not a mill.

All abortion is wrong. Pills included. I would ban the pills.

If you can stick to the topic and remain civil, I will converse with you. If you move into insults or namecalling or mocking of God, I'll put you on iggy like I did the other guy.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

All abortion is wrong. Pills included. I would ban the pills.

NFBW wrote: Will a woman and her accomplices who gets an abortion by any means including blackmarket pills be charged with a felony for the murder of an innocent life? What will be the sentencing guidelines lines. 22FEB06-POST#0389

 

[Meriweather]

I do not believe that life begins at the moment that the Catholic Church believes it begins. I do not believe in your religion.

I believe what science tells us about the beginning of life. But then, I teach science.

 

[Meriweather]

Where did you get your belief that life starts at conception?

Science books.

 

[Mashmont]

NFBW wrote: Will a woman and her accomplices who gets an abortion by any means including blackmarket pills be charged with a felony for the murder of an innocent life? What will be the sentencing guidelines lines. 22FEB06-POST#0389

Same as killing her newborn. Abortion doctors included.

 

[Wyatt earp]

35% like him 58% hate him a week before the election. You are citing job approval / I am citing favorability . Have you ever met an asshole you cannot stand but is good at his job. Voters tend to vote more for someone they like regardless of the job they were doing., Not much to like about Trump 58% say

 

[Meriweather]

You call the current President evil

You are mistaken. I called the current President clueless. I called the current Speaker evil and for reasons that have nothing to do with abortion.

 

[BlackSand]

Here are a few beneficial changes that would be made under a Christian United States government. So many problems would vanish overnight with this legislation. Many more would reduce over time. There could be more. These were just a few things I thought of initially. Really common sense stuff, basically a return to 1950s television, an era when families were stronger and children became independent earlier, and societal norms opposed sex outside marriage. A time when top shows were Donna Reed and Leave it to Beaver. A time when it was the norm to attend church, there were the most priests and sisters and Catholic schools in history.

This could be a reality, folks, if enough of us think about it, work towards it, and pray hard. They never though Roe v Wade would fall, and now look what is happening, so it CAN be done!


In the Schools:
Christian/Catholic sexual morality taught from the earliest grades:
1. Human lives are of supreme importance. Animals are subordinate,
2. Sex is only permissible through marriage
3. Birth control will not be discussed, nor will condoms be distributed in the schools.
4. Sex education would be replaced with sensible teaching on dating which would include recommendations of:
..... a. Relatively early curfew times
..... b. No passionate kissing prior to marriage
.....c. Emphasis on getting to know the other person
.....d. Duggar-style side hugs, rather than frontal.

Ten Commandments, crosses, and crucifixes may be displayed.
School prayer allowed and encouraged.
Christmas may be celebrated. Christian themed decorations may be used
Christian-themed Christmas plays may be performed.
Racist CRT banned.
Prominent Americans returned to the history books. Lives of the greatest canonized saints would be added in order to inspire children.
Christian schools would be strengthened.
All leftwing/ Marxist propaganda removed from schools and universities. Overt Marxists teachers would either reform or be dismissed.
No alcohol allowed in university dorms which house underaged students. (You might be amazed this is allowed in many or most freshman dorms).


In movies and television:

• Nudity is banned.
• Depictions of sex outside marriage banned
• Foul language banned
• Graphic physical harm depictions banned
• Only nuclear family depictions: Parents married.
• Depictions of cohabitation banned.
• Gay sex acts are banned.

In media:
No legislation may be pushed by a news outlet that violates Christian moral teaching. Abortion, rioting, extra rights for gays or trans, pitting women against men may not be advocated. Basically any promotion of the issues Marxist atheists use to divide and undermine the country will be banned.

In commerce and law:
Pornography banned.
Abortion mills illegal.
Mexico City Policy made permanent.
Most government domestic programs will be shut down, and a private sharing program would be established where people send funds directly to those designated in need. This would eliminate large piles of money. This will be the topic of another thread. It is based on charity, rather than coercion. It would also remove power from leftwing politicians
Government photo and/or fingerprint or retinal ID would be used for all voting. No drop boxes. Only verified mail-in voting. Very limited early voting.
Illegal immigration would be stopped cold. Legal immigration requirements would be relaxed for countries for which they are onerous.
Recreational drugs once again illegalized.

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It would not be unreasonable to expect hostilities along your borders with what will be the newly established ...
Free Republic of Go Screw Yourself ...

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[Mashmont]

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It would not be unreasonable to expect hostilities along your borders with what will be the newly established ...
Free Republic of Go Screw Yourself ...

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You atheists sure don't want to surrender that power, do you? You have it all your way now.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You are mistaken. I called the current President clueless.

I apologize for that. So is it your opinion that Joe Biden is clueless on abortion?

 

[BlackSand]

You atheists sure don't want to surrender that power, do you? You have it all your way now.

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Don't call me an atheist, because you would be incorrect ...
And thank God you aren't required to follow my rules ...

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[NotfooledbyW]

Same as killing her newborn. Abortion doctors included.

Do you mean the death penalty?

 

[AsherN]

You said you are an observant Jew. Which of the laws mentioned in my OP are in violation of Judaist teachings? I'm guessing you won't answer that.

. Not quite sure what "Judaist" teachings are.

I oppose any any laws based on any particular religious viewpoint. Would you be fine if the US decided to base all their laws on Halacha? Sharia?

I strongly oppose you trying to impose your particular, narrow views on "morality".