Liberal logic on IDs and voting

[Plasmaball]

As a conservative I am, by nature, conservative.

You're on the left in every discussion I'm with you in. There is no such thing as a limited, absolute trust in government. You're not a conservative.

Hillary said she's a conservative. Ted Kennedy decried "extremism" in politics. There are a lot of people who don't have a grasp of who they are.

ah i love i know what you are better than yourself types. You are one of those ego type posters.

 

[g5000]

As a conservative I am, by nature, conservative.

You're on the left in every discussion I'm with you in. There is no such thing as a limited, absolute trust in government. You're not a conservative.

Hillary said she's a conservative. Ted Kennedy decried "extremism" in politics. There are a lot of people who don't have a grasp of who they are.

I'm not the one demanding more government regulation and intervention in our voting without asking for evidence it is needed. Not only that, you want this new program to be paid for by the taxpayers!

We call such people "liberals".


Boy, you guys are going to be so shocked when election fraud keeps happening in Voter ID states!

 

[francoHFW]

There is no problem but a power grab by Republicans.

 

[g5000]

Seriously, you Voter ID people are control freaks.

The premise of your argument is entirely false. It will not stop fraud.

Therefore, there is an entirely different reason your masters want it.

You are going to have a lot of egg on your faces when fraud keeps happening in Voter ID states. But you will have moved a little further down the totalitarian scale by then, ready to accept we should all be carrying identity papers to make life easier for the security apparatus.



THINK!

Conservatives used to be the smartest people in the room. My how the mighty have fallen. You assholes are totally fucking up the conservative legacy left to you by my generation.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Voter-ID laws continue to get a lot of attention, and proponents of the law are being drowned out by opponents claiming the laws discriminate against certain voters.

Rather than getting IDs to the people who are supposedly disenfranchised, opponents spend their efforts trying to end the laws, even though polls consistently show overwhelming majorities of voters approve of the laws.

Below are just some of the examples of things you need to prove your identity for:
1. Alcohol


2. Cigarettes


3. Opening a bank account

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4. Apply for food stamps


5. Apply for welfare


6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security


7. Apply for unemployment or a job


8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage


9. Drive/buy/rent a car


10. Get on an airplane


11. Get married


12. Purchase a gun


13. Adopt a pet


14. Rent a hotel room


15. Apply for a hunting license


16. Apply for a fishing license


17. Buy a cell phone


18. Visit a casino


19. Pick up a prescription


20. Hold a rally or protest


21. Blood donations


22. Buy an "M" rated video game


23. Purchase nail polish at CVS


24. Purchase certain cold medicines


But not to vote?



24 things that require a photo ID | WashingtonExaminer.com


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http://washingtonexaminer.com/twenty-things-that-require-a-photo-id/article/2534254

 

[gallantwarrior]

Seriously, you Voter ID people are control freaks.

The premise of your argument is entirely false. It will not stop fraud.

Therefore, there is an entirely different reason your masters want it.

You are going to have a lot of egg on your faces when fraud keeps happening in Voter ID states. But you will have moved a little further down the totalitarian scale by then, ready to accept we should all be carrying identity papers to make life easier for the security apparatus.



THINK!

Conservatives used to be the smartest people in the room. My how the mighty have fallen. You assholes are totally fucking up the conservative legacy left to you by my generation.

OK, I'm game...what exactly do you think will diminish voter fraud. You do realize that both sides do it, to one degree or another. How would you suggest we stop it?

 

[Flopper]

And the deal is, getting a photo ID is so simple. I was an Assistant Scoutmaster for the 2005 Boy Scout National Jamboree. Back then, the Jambo was held at Fort AP Hill in Virginia. Since we flew to DC and toured prior to that and then went on a military base, every kid was required to have photo ID. Didn't have it, didn't fly or get on base. My son was 12 and I took him down to the DPS and for something like $10 walked out with a state of OKlahoma photo ID. Believe it or not........even the minority kids who went with us were able to get one.

Maybe getting an id is very simple for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

Perhaps you are new on this planet. Contrary to popular fairytales, life is neither fair or easy. Sometimes you have to lift a finger and exert a little effort. Getting an ID to drive, fly, enter a club, register for benefits, vote, etc. takes an ever so slight amount of effort, but well worth it to be a functioning member of society.

What is a little effort for one person can be a lot of effort for another. My 87 year old sister is in a wheelchair. The nearest state office that issues id's is 8 miles away. Getting an id means a trip to the safe deposit at the bank to get the documents she needs. Someone will need to load her in a van because she can't get out of the chair, take her to the bank, then the state office. Knowing my sister she simple would not ask anyone to do that and would give up voting.

If there were any evidence that we had anything even approaching a serious problem with voter id fraud, I would support voter ids but there isn't. A number of studies have shown that voter id fraud is very rare. However, I have no doubt that there is election fraud, not voter id fraud.

You compare voter ids with other types ids such as a driver's id. We began issues driver in the early 20th century because of the growing number of accidents caused by people with no drivers training. There was a well documented need for driver's license. There is no documented need for voter ids.

If you deny a person the right to vote because they don't have a voter id, you are denying one our most important rights as citizens, the right to vote.

 

[kaz]

As a conservative I am, by nature, conservative.

You're on the left in every discussion I'm with you in. There is no such thing as a limited, absolute trust in government. You're not a conservative.

Hillary said she's a conservative. Ted Kennedy decried "extremism" in politics. There are a lot of people who don't have a grasp of who they are.

I'm not the one demanding more government regulation and intervention in our voting without asking for evidence it is needed. Not only that, you want this new program to be paid for by the taxpayers!

We call such people "liberals".


Boy, you guys are going to be so shocked when election fraud keeps happening in Voter ID states!

Government regulating government voting to ensure voters are who they say they are is "demanding more government regulation. Don't hurt yourself twisting into that pretzel logic.

And hell yeah I want government to pay for making sure that liberals aren't sucking me dry by stuffing the ballot box with illegal aliens and dead people. You're cheaters, and you know it, which is why you don't want it to stop.

Liberalism, you can't make that shit up.

 

[kaz]

As a conservative I am, by nature, conservative.

You're on the left in every discussion I'm with you in. There is no such thing as a limited, absolute trust in government. You're not a conservative.

Hillary said she's a conservative. Ted Kennedy decried "extremism" in politics. There are a lot of people who don't have a grasp of who they are.

ah i love i know what you are better than yourself types. You are one of those ego type posters.

I'm pointing out that when you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, no one's going to believe you're a dog no matter how many times they tell you they are a dog.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Maybe getting an id is very simple for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

Perhaps you are new on this planet. Contrary to popular fairytales, life is neither fair or easy. Sometimes you have to lift a finger and exert a little effort. Getting an ID to drive, fly, enter a club, register for benefits, vote, etc. takes an ever so slight amount of effort, but well worth it to be a functioning member of society.

What is a little effort for one person can be a lot of effort for another. My 87 year old sister is in a wheelchair. The nearest state office that issues id's is 8 miles away. Getting an id means a trip to the safe deposit at the bank to get the documents she needs. Someone will need to load her in a van because she can't get out of the chair, take her to the bank, then the state office. Knowing my sister she simple would not ask anyone to do that and would give up voting.

If there were any evidence that we had anything even approaching a serious problem with voter id fraud, I would support voter ids but there isn't. A number of studies have shown that voter id fraud is very rare. However, I have no doubt that there is election fraud, not voter id fraud.

You compare voter ids with other types ids such as a driver's id. We began issues driver in the early 20th century because of the growing number of accidents caused by people with no drivers training. There was a well documented need for driver's license. There is no documented need for voter ids.

If you deny a person the right to vote because they don't have a voter id, you are denying one our most important rights as citizens, the right to vote.

So, no one in you family is willing to help her do what needs done. Who the fuck feeds her? Who makes sure her meds are taken care of? Does anyone shop for her groceries, prepare her meals, wipe her ass?
Of course, she manages to make her way to the polling location every single election, but no one will take her to get an ID...riiigghtt...

 

[Flopper]

When you are disenfranchising 100,000 voters for every one incident of fraud, this is not an acceptable ratio.

It's not necessarily the cost of the ID, it's the access to ID offices, the cost of the required associated paperwork and often a complete lack of that paperwork (born at home).

11% of votes cast are not fraudulent, we KNOW this. The percentage of fraud that would be stopped by requiring state issued photo IDs is less than 1%. That is an unacceptable ratio. Get it down below 2% without IDs and THEN put your ID laws in place.

whose vote is/ will be suppressed?

my main problem with voting is getting to the polls b/c I work

that's unfair

Because my residence is 80 miles away from where I work, I could get an absentee ballot and vote early. I prefer to make it to the polls whenever I can, but the option is available.

Postal voting is increasing rapidly in many states. In Oregon, all elections are conducted by mail. Washington state encourages all voters to vote by mail. Many other states are encouraging absentee voting. The problem of course is that absentee voting is a loophole in the voter id laws. However, unlike poll voting absentee voting actually has resulted in stolen elections.

 

[Caroljo]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

What is your logic for needing it? You left that part out...

How about....because it'll make us feel better about it? Now....what's your logic for NOT needing it? What's it going to hurt? You can't use the excuse that we're trying to keep liberals from voting. There are MANY conservatives that are just as poor and have all the same problems. If they're unable to get the ID, then how are they able to go vote?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seriously, you Voter ID people are control freaks.

The premise of your argument is entirely false. It will not stop fraud.

Therefore, there is an entirely different reason your masters want it.

You are going to have a lot of egg on your faces when fraud keeps happening in Voter ID states. But you will have moved a little further down the totalitarian scale by then, ready to accept we should all be carrying identity papers to make life easier for the security apparatus.



THINK!

Conservatives used to be the smartest people in the room. My how the mighty have fallen. You assholes are totally fucking up the conservative legacy left to you by my generation.

OK, I'm game...what exactly do you think will diminish voter fraud. You do realize that both sides do it, to one degree or another. How would you suggest we stop it?

One cannot ‘diminish’ something that doesn’t exist – this is a non-issue, and voter ID laws are a ‘solution’ in search of a problem.

 

[hazlnut]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

I thought you jackasses were for LESS government?

 

[squeeze berry]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

I thought you jackasses were for LESS government?

I thought you rodeo clowns were for rule of law

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Perhaps you are new on this planet. Contrary to popular fairytales, life is neither fair or easy. Sometimes you have to lift a finger and exert a little effort. Getting an ID to drive, fly, enter a club, register for benefits, vote, etc. takes an ever so slight amount of effort, but well worth it to be a functioning member of society.

What is a little effort for one person can be a lot of effort for another. My 87 year old sister is in a wheelchair. The nearest state office that issues id's is 8 miles away. Getting an id means a trip to the safe deposit at the bank to get the documents she needs. Someone will need to load her in a van because she can't get out of the chair, take her to the bank, then the state office. Knowing my sister she simple would not ask anyone to do that and would give up voting.

If there were any evidence that we had anything even approaching a serious problem with voter id fraud, I would support voter ids but there isn't. A number of studies have shown that voter id fraud is very rare. However, I have no doubt that there is election fraud, not voter id fraud.

You compare voter ids with other types ids such as a driver's id. We began issues driver in the early 20th century because of the growing number of accidents caused by people with no drivers training. There was a well documented need for driver's license. There is no documented need for voter ids.

If you deny a person the right to vote because they don't have a voter id, you are denying one our most important rights as citizens, the right to vote.

So, no one in you family is willing to help her do what needs done. Who the fuck feeds her? Who makes sure her meds are taken care of? Does anyone shop for her groceries, prepare her meals, wipe her ass?
Of course, she manages to make her way to the polling location every single election, but no one will take her to get an ID...riiigghtt...

You’re asking the wrong questions.

You should be asking:

“Where is the evidence that voter fraud by identity is so rampant and pervasive that election outcomes are being adversely effected.”

As we know no such evidence exists.

Consequently, asking if someone in the voter’s family is willing to help her do what needs done to obtain an ID to vote is moot, as there’s no reason to compel someone to obtain a picture ID to vote to prevent ‘fraud’ that isn’t occurring in the first place.

 

[Flopper]

Perhaps you are new on this planet. Contrary to popular fairytales, life is neither fair or easy. Sometimes you have to lift a finger and exert a little effort. Getting an ID to drive, fly, enter a club, register for benefits, vote, etc. takes an ever so slight amount of effort, but well worth it to be a functioning member of society.

What is a little effort for one person can be a lot of effort for another. My 87 year old sister is in a wheelchair. The nearest state office that issues id's is 8 miles away. Getting an id means a trip to the safe deposit at the bank to get the documents she needs. Someone will need to load her in a van because she can't get out of the chair, take her to the bank, then the state office. Knowing my sister she simple would not ask anyone to do that and would give up voting.

If there were any evidence that we had anything even approaching a serious problem with voter id fraud, I would support voter ids but there isn't. A number of studies have shown that voter id fraud is very rare. However, I have no doubt that there is election fraud, not voter id fraud.

You compare voter ids with other types ids such as a driver's id. We began issues driver in the early 20th century because of the growing number of accidents caused by people with no drivers training. There was a well documented need for driver's license. There is no documented need for voter ids.

If you deny a person the right to vote because they don't have a voter id, you are denying one our most important rights as citizens, the right to vote.

So, no one in you family is willing to help her do what needs done. Who the fuck feeds her? Who makes sure her meds are taken care of? Does anyone shop for her groceries, prepare her meals, wipe her ass?
Of course, she manages to make her way to the polling location every single election, but no one will take her to get an ID...riiigghtt...

It's not that no one would take her to get an id. She doesn't want to be any more of burden to people than she already is. There are many people in this and similar situations that won't be voting if voter ids are required. That of course should make people like you happy.

 

[squeeze berry]

I'm just wondering. When voter fraud continues to occur at the same rate in states that enact Voter ID, how hard will you guys have to stab yourselves in the ears and eyes to avoid that reality so your self-delusions can be maintained?

I bet Fox News and all the other hacks will be completely silent on this.

Rubes.

Papers! Papers, please!

Godwin appears

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

I thought you jackasses were for LESS government?

Clearly not.

 

[koshergrl]

We need an ID to drive, to get on a plane, to get into a bar, to buy a beer, to buy cigs, to sign up for welfare, to get food stamps, to use your medicade card but you want us to believe that people are to poor to get a FREE ID ( they are free you know for voting) to vote but they can get every where else to use the money they get FREE from the government GOTTCHA... Oh forgot you need an ID to get finger nail polish remover in some areas .. YEP

State issued ID cards do NOT prove citizenship.

The ONLY identification document that PROVES eligibility to vote in the USA is a US Passport.



What's the point of proving who you are if you still aren't required to prove your eligiblity?

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Nobody's asking that people prove citizenship at the voting booth.

Just that they confirm they really are who they are voting as.