Liberals Understand Human Nature.....Not.

I never attributed it solely to the right.

So you want to play this game?

The Right has a long history of trying to exploit the 'malleable' human mind.

Then explain this. You made it clear, plain as day.


Keep reminding us that you're an intellectually bankrupt rightwing hack.

See? You did it again.

Had I said what you're dishonestly claiming I said, I would have said

"ONLY the Right has a long history of trying to exploit the 'malleable' human mind."

Learn English.

It says what is says.

The phrases and terms "the Right," "long history," and "exploit" suggest otherwise.

Don't presume to lecture me on the finer points of the English language when you cannot even acknowledge your own blatant faux pas.

You're a barely literate fuck who cannot understand the simple concept that a statement about one group is not a statement to the exclusion of all other groups.

If I say dogs are mammals,

you wish to tell me that I have said that dogs are the only mammals. You're stupid.
 
What is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
James Madison



Progs would disagree with this assessment. Progs would say that human nature is evil, therefore, law after law needs to be passed to curb this evil. Evil that may be committed by lawmakers are simply collateral damage, losses that need to be absorbed.

Really the great evil is free will. The goal is to curb such will via the bureaucracy.

A utopia is said to be within reach if only the individual surrenders more of his liberty and being for the general good, meaning the good as prescribed by the state. If he refuses, he will be tormented and ultimately coerced into compliance, for conformity is essential and leads to our collective salvation.


Exactly. Free will is the enemy of liberals who seek this imaginary utopia. That is why training from a young age is a must. Even then, some desires are innate so that is where punishment comes in. Historically, dictators have severely punished or even killed those who didn't conform. I think most would pretend to conform out of a need for survival.
 
Human nature has no definition, it is human nature. PC is right.

well,... isn't there is a natural human order or nature that led to a natural law that
led to our Constitution- right?

If you say human nature has no definition then it can be anything which is what HItler Stalin and Mao thought- right?
 
Human nature has no definition, it is human nature. PC is right.

well,... isn't there is a natural human order or nature that led to a natural law that
led to our Constitution- right?

If you say human nature has no definition then it can be anything which is what HItler Stalin and Mao thought- right?

Uhhhhh

Care to run that by me again?
 
Human nature has no definition, it is human nature. PC is right.

well,... isn't there is a natural human order or nature that led to a natural law that
led to our Constitution- right?

If you say human nature has no definition then it can be anything which is what HItler Stalin and Mao thought- right?

Human nature is simple to understand. The human is a social animal. Therefore it desires to live and act in organized groups.

The human is a highly intelligent animal. Therefore it relies more on learning and intuition than do lower species that rely more on instinct.
 
What is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
James Madison



Progs would disagree with this assessment. Progs would say that human nature is evil, therefore, law after law needs to be passed to curb this evil. Evil that may be committed by lawmakers are simply collateral damage, losses that need to be absorbed.

Really the great evil is free will. The goal is to curb such will via the bureaucracy.

A utopia is said to be within reach if only the individual surrenders more of his liberty and being for the general good, meaning the good as prescribed by the state. If he refuses, he will be tormented and ultimately coerced into compliance, for conformity is essential and leads to our collective salvation.


Exactly. Free will is the enemy of liberals who seek this imaginary utopia. That is why training from a young age is a must. Even then, some desires are innate so that is where punishment comes in. Historically, dictators have severely punished or even killed those who didn't conform. I think most would pretend to conform out of a need for survival.

Democracy is supposed to protect all individualism that does not do an unacceptable amount of harm to society.
 
Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught
yet they are smart enough not to get caught, not so much for the left.

Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts, however, Obama gets caught doing the same in Syria via his former ambassador in Libya and it does not even make a headline.

One thing is for sure, the freedom of the press is not the same as it once was, nor are the checks and balances as effective.

Under Obama, the freedom of the press was rated in the mid 20's in the world, but now is in the mid 40's.



"Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts,..."

Not quite.
  1. The Iran-Contra scandal involved the sale of arms to Iran, basically to ransom American hostages that Islamic extremists held, and diverting proceeds from the sale to the Contras in Nicaragua. Neither the sale nor the diversions of funds were clear violations of existing laws: subsequent independent counsel investigations directly charged anyone with crimes for either the arms sales nor the diversions.
  2. "... reversal of NSC staff member Oliver North and National Security Adviser John Poindexter’s convictions. The Court of Appeals reversed their convictions because they successfully argued that witnesses in their trials might have been affected by publicized immunized congressional testimony, even though the prosecutors themselves had taken painstaking efforts to avoid encountering information about the hearings."
Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath (convictions: Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath)

[The parallel investigation by Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh secured criminal convictions of nearly a dozen senior administration officials and private citizens for acts such as perjury, conspiracy, fraud, and the destruction of evidence.
Read more:Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life s Questions]

    1. Two points should be made clear. The Democrat Congress was strongly in favor of the communists of Nicaragua, and the scandal was an attempt to tie the hands of the President, who was strongly anti-communist. And, two, congressional attempts to conduct foreign policy were, at the very least, constitutionally dubious. Reagan often complained that it was not possible to carry out foreign policy with 535 secretaries of state in Congress. See
      "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Presidents: From Wilson to Obama,"
      by Steven F. Hayward


Exactly.

Jim Wright and a group of openly Soviet 5th Column democrats were the main movers behind the unconstitutional Boland Amendment. Boland and Wright were Soviet operatives in the U.S. Congress.
 
Democracy is supposed to protect all individualism that does not do an unacceptable amount of harm to society.

Quite the opposite, you ignorant baboon. Democracy crushes individualism under the conformity to the majority. Democracy is simply "majority rules." those who fail to conform will be crushed. Democracy has no room for individualism.
 
Democracy is supposed to protect all individualism that does not do an unacceptable amount of harm to society.

Quite the opposite, you ignorant baboon. Democracy crushes individualism under the conformity to the majority. Democracy is simply "majority rules." those who fail to conform will be crushed. Democracy has no room for individualism.

You have no idea what democracy is. Go away.
 
In politics, or environmentalism, or any area of human endeavor, ascribing special, or higher order attributes to any group is both a mistake, and a hallmark of Progressive belief.


Whether it be Liberalism, or Communism, or Nazism...or any totalitarian doctrine, all begin with the misunderstanding that human nature is malleable, plastic, and can be altered by just the right combination of governance, rules, regulations, and/or punishment.


Bottom line: human beings have been, and always will be, what they are today. The Founders knew this, and built the concept of 'checks and balances' to account for same.



1. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




3. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.

“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733


So tell us, which portions of the standard dogma of conservatism have you chosen not to conform to?

Which of those bells do you choose not to salivate over?

Careful ... you're drooling. :biggrin:
 
Democracy is supposed to protect all individualism that does not do an unacceptable amount of harm to society.

Quite the opposite, you ignorant baboon. Democracy crushes individualism under the conformity to the majority. Democracy is simply "majority rules." those who fail to conform will be crushed. Democracy has no room for individualism.

Conformity is a major and important component of all truly civilized societies and that's why civilized societies enforce conformity.

Why do we have traffic laws? For one good reason, to rein in those who think their individualism should be immune to any sort of 'conformity' to any rules of the road.
 
Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

That's liberal human nature. Other kinds of people have something called ethics.
 
In politics, or environmentalism, or any area of human endeavor, ascribing special, or higher order attributes to any group is both a mistake, and a hallmark of Progressive belief.


Whether it be Liberalism, or Communism, or Nazism...or any totalitarian doctrine, all begin with the misunderstanding that human nature is malleable, plastic, and can be altered by just the right combination of governance, rules, regulations, and/or punishment.


Bottom line: human beings have been, and always will be, what they are today. The Founders knew this, and built the concept of 'checks and balances' to account for same.



1. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




3. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.

“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733


So tell us, which portions of the standard dogma of conservatism have you chosen not to conform to?

Which of those bells do you choose not to salivate over?

Careful ... you're drooling. :biggrin:

Did you see her answer? No, because there was none. She is a kneejerk conformist to the full measure of toe the line conservative dogma,

and comically she's trying to mock conformity.
 
What does Lenin have to do with Liberals?

You are reaching again

dear, Obama is a liberal who had 3 communist parents and grew up to vote to the left of BErnie
Human nature has no definition, it is human nature. PC is right.

well,... isn't there is a natural human order or nature that led to a natural law that
led to our Constitution- right?

If you say human nature has no definition then it can be anything which is what HItler Stalin and Mao thought- right?

Uhhhhh

Care to run that by me again?

Human nature is definable, it led to common behavior and common law or natural law and to our Constitution-right?
 
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Democracy is supposed to protect all individualism that does not do an unacceptable amount of harm to society.

Quite the opposite, you ignorant baboon. Democracy crushes individualism under the conformity to the majority. Democracy is simply "majority rules." those who fail to conform will be crushed. Democracy has no room for individualism.

Oligarchy is minority rules. Yes we know conservatives support that because they are a minority desperate for power they cannot have in a government of the People.
 
and comically she's trying to mock conformity.

dear, a free capitalist society is very dynamic so will have little conformity while Hitler Stalin Mao and liberal politically correct thinking are the exact opposite. Look at how dynamic Chinese society is today compared to its black pajama libcommie days.

Do you understand??

Sam Powers is a leftist and has a book out called "How the left kills free speech".... in favor of conformity. Do you understand?
 
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