Listen up for once, CO2 does NOT govern Climate

[otto105]

If you truly are an alarmist, this video is for you. But guess what? It is also for those of us who are far more reasonable in our projections into the future of this planet.

What relevance is this video to the science on AGW? Does it disprove the fact our planet is warming?

 

[otto105]

Judith is a place for the voice of this planets finest of all climate specialists.
What disinformation do you claim to smear her with?

Here’s The Climate Dissent You’re Not Hearing About Because It’s Muffled By Society’s Top Institutions - The Crude Truth

Authored by John Murawski via RealClear Wire, As the Biden administration and governments worldwide make massive commitments to rapidly decarbonize the global economy, the persistent effort to silence climate change skeptics is intensifying – and the critics keep pushing back. This summer the...

thecrudetruth.com

In response last month, more than 1,600 scientists, among them two Nobel physics laureates, Clauser and Ivar Giaever of Norway, signed a declaration stating that there is no climate emergency, and that climate advocacy has devolved into mass hysteria. The skeptics say the radical transformation of entire societies is marching forth without a full debate, based on dubious scientific claims amplified by knee-jerk journalism.

Many of these climate skeptics reject the optimistic scenarios of economic prosperity promised by advocates of a net-zero world order. They say the global emissions-reduction targets are not achievable on such an accelerated timetable without lowering living standards and unleashing worldwide political unrest.

Here’s The Climate Dissent You’re Not Hearing About Because It’s Muffled By Society’s Top Institutions - The Crude Truth

Authored by John Murawski via RealClear Wire, As the Biden administration and governments worldwide make massive commitments to rapidly decarbonize the global economy, the persistent effort to silence climate change skeptics is intensifying – and the critics keep pushing back. This summer the...

thecrudetruth.com

1,600 what?

Climate scientists or other? A;so, noted is they claim what? That we can stop it so....don't try?

 

[otto105]

Is author Keith Kloor peddling disinformation?

Keith Kloor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not the scientist you claim to believe.


Keith Kloor is an American freelance writer and journalism professor.[1] He teaches magazine article writing as an adjunct lecturer for the Arthur L. Carter journalism institute at New York University,[2]

Exactly what did I claim strawman. Keith is the article writer the subject is in the article. Care to cite him.

 

[ding]

Yes, and then there is the cited judy.

Is Judith Curry Peddling Disinformation?

These are just the first scientists of many to come to question the nonsense that is being spread as science.

 

[Flash]

These Moon Bats don't know any more about Climate Science than they know about Economics, History, Biology, Ethics or the Constitution.

The way the biosphere works is that plants use CO2 and produce O2. Animal life use O2 and produce CO2.

Nature produces CO2 in several way that dwarfs anything that humans produce.

The time in earth's history when we had the greatest biosphere is when we had CO2 levels several times higher than it is now.

Also, there was even a time when CO2 levels were much higher than it is now but yet the earth was cooler.

The Environmental Wacko Moon Bats don't know jackshit about real science. They just make it up.

 

[Robert W]

Exactly what did I claim strawman. Keith is the article writer the subject is in the article. Care to cite him.

Kloor is not even a scientist. I am not nor are you. So why did you cite using his article? I cite actual climate scientists.

 

[Robert W]

These Moon Bats don't know any more about Climate Science than they know about Economics, History, Biology, Ethics or the Constitution.

The way the biosphere works is that plants use CO2 and produce O2. Animal life use O2 and produce CO2.

Nature produces CO2 in several way that dwarfs anything that humans produce.

The time in earth's history when we had the greatest biosphere is when we had CO2 levels several times higher than it is now.

Also, there was even a time when CO2 levels were much higher than it is now but yet the earth was cooler.

The Environmental Wacko Moon Bats don't know jackshit about real science. They just make it up.

For them, it is not about science at all, it is pure politics. They have aims for humans to follow them for some purpose I do not yet understand. They surely do not believe so many scientists debunk their claims aiming for Earth to burn to a crisp?

 

[Flash]

For them, it is not about science at all, it is pure politics. They have aims for humans to follow them for some purpose I do not yet understand. They surely do not believe so many scientists debunk their claims aiming for Earth to burn to a crisp?

The Mayans had a thriving civilization on the Yucatan Peninsula for almost three thousand years.

Then there was natural climate change and it became dry and destroyed everything. It had nothing to do with human activity.

Nowadays the area is wet again and back to normal.

The Moon Bats don't understand Climate Science. They don't want to understand Climate Science.

 

[Robert W]

The Mayans had a thriving civilization on the Yucatan Peninsula for almost three thousand years.

Then there was natural climate change and it became dry and destroyed everything. It had nothing to do with human activity.

Nowadays the area is wet again and back to normal.

The Moon Bats don't understand Climate Science. They don't want to understand Climate Science.

They have the full backing of Democrats. This is why they still manage to try to scare all humans. They can't show any actual example of this alleged climate damage yet they toss around nonsensical general statements and mock the true scientists. I saw one mocking a scientist who says climate is controlled by clouds. And all one has to do is look up and around them to realize that is actually true.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, and then there is the cited judy.

Is Judith Curry Peddling Disinformation?

I will try to boil this down to essentials.
1. Assume the alarmists are honest. What are their claims and do they have proof?
They allege man essentially has control over climate by the use of a greenhouse gas. That if man stops producing this gas, things are going to be fine. So let's test some of their claims. Where do they measure CO2? About 2,000 miles distant from the shore of Mexico on an island with several active volcanoes. At the summit of a volcano that is roughly 13,300 feet high. Why there? Some allege they use satellites. That is wonderful. But why do they care about a volcano peak yet ignore death Valley, CA? Why is there a huge active community of scientists in the field of climate that object to their claims? Rebut their arguments.

If I were a climate scientist and saw Earth was headed for a major disaster, Nothing would stop me from screaming bloody murder. So some do this. But how profitable is it for them? Money flows easily to those bunk scientists.
2. We have not seen those islands been swamped by the ocean. They islands they promised would vanish are adding more for tourists. When they alarm us by shouting that the Arctic is melting, why is it that measurements of the ice shows all that happens is fluctuation that fits neatly into a pattern?

Why did they scream that the polar bears are vanishing when the truth is the populations of the bears has grown larger?

 

[Flash]

I will try to boil this down to essentials.
1. Assume the alarmists are honest. What are their claims and do they have proof?
They allege man essentially has control over climate by the use of a greenhouse gas. That if man stops producing this gas, things are going to be fine. So let's test some of their claims. Where do they measure CO2? About 2,000 miles distant from the shore of Mexico on an island with several active volcanoes. At the summit of a volcano that is roughly 13,300 feet high. Why there? Some allege they use satellites. That is wonderful. But why do they care about a volcano peak yet ignore death Valley, CA? Why is there a huge active community of scientists in the field of climate that object to their claims? Rebut their arguments.

If I were a climate scientist and saw Earth was headed for a major disaster, Nothing would stop me from screaming bloody murder. So some do this. But how profitable is it for them? Money flows easily to those bunk scientists.
2. We have not seen those islands been swamped by the ocean. They islands they promised would vanish are adding more for tourists. When they alarm us by shouting that the Arctic is melting, why is it that measurements of the ice shows all that happens is fluctuation that fits neatly into a pattern?

Why did they scream that the polar bears are vanishing when the truth is the populations of the bears has grown larger?

The way to understand this AGW horseshit all we have to do is follow the money.

A lot of people are getting rich from the scam.

Like the UAW (cash cow of the Democrats) benefiting from billions in subsidies to Ford/Chrysler/GM to build these idiot EVs that will do nothing to change the climate.

How bout all the Democrat investors that will make money off the contracts for the stupid charging stations that is being funded with billions of our taxpayer's money?

The list goes on and on.

 

[catatomic]

Politically, we face an EV car future that includes, trucks, vans, airplanes, railroad trains all to favor the big boys selling Electricity. We have no infrastructure able to provide all that current to users. But this president demands we go 100 percent electric. So if he wins, we all lose.

So we do it when we are ready and we get ready.

 

[otto105]

These are just the first scientists of many to come to question the nonsense that is being spread as science.

Nope, just old curmudgeons.

 

[ding]

Nope, just old curmudgeons.

It's just a matter of time before the AGW house of cards crumbles. They will be falling over themselves telling anyone who will listen that they knew AGW wasn't true all along. You'll probably be arguing the same damn thing.

 

[otto105]

It's just a matter of time before the AGW house of cards crumbles. They will be falling over themselves telling anyone who will listen that they knew AGW wasn't true all along. You'll probably be arguing the same damn thing.

Hilarious


It’s just years away from you not being able to deny it anymore.

You must really love seeing 10-year-old children going to school with bulletproof backpacks for an active shooter drill while laughing at the climate disruption they will face.

 

[ding]

Hilarious


It’s just years away from you not being able to deny it anymore.

You must really love seeing 10-year-old children going to school with bulletproof backpacks for an active shooter drill while laughing at the climate disruption they will face.

If sea level rise triples by the end of the decade as they predict, I will be a believer. Can you say the same if it doesn't?

The geologic record is littered with warming trends that weren't caused by CO2 or orbital forcing. It's just a matter of time before their flawed computer models are proven wrong and everyone jumps ship.

 

[Robert W]

Bullshit

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"The book — and Koonin’s views — have received favourable reviews in many quarters, lauded in the pages of The Wall Street Journal and the talk shows of Fox News. But the reception among the scientific community has been significantly rockier. He’s been accused of cherry-picking data, muddying the scientific waters and, simply, not having a CV of peer reviewed climate science work to burnish his credentials.

“It’s a little bit like if I, as a climate scientist or an atmospheric scientist, were to write a book about high-energy physics saying all the things I think is wrong with it, it’s just not very credible,” says Don Wuebbles, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Illinois who has been an author on Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports. “The same goes here. It’s full of major mistakes, it misrepresents the science.”

The conclusion Koonin leads readers to is that if the data is as sloppy as he believes it is, then policymakers should be waiting for more and better data before making decisions about how to confront climate change. In the book, he criticizes climate models in particular, saying they fail on a number of fronts, making it hard to make policy choices. But, Koonin tells the Post, they are making their “best effort at tackling what is an extraordinarily difficult challenge.”

“The models are useful, they’re interesting, but to be able to make societal decisions on that basis is really very difficult and it’s taking a lot of risk,” he says.

Gary Yohe, a professor of economics and environmental studies at Wesleyan University, said the “world is 15 years past” the idea we need more information to make better-informed decisions."

The unalarmist: Steven Koonin's controversial climate contentions

Koonin's conclusion is that if the data is as sloppy as he believes it is, then policymakers should be waiting for more and better data before making decisions

nationalpost.com

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Gary Yohe is NOT a politician and knows a great deal more about climate than does Koonin.


With uninformed, out-of-date commentary.

There has to be a certain percentage of true believers in the Al Gore variety of alarmism. It is why this nations past included burning females accepted as being witches. It happens. Even today.

 

[Robert W]

Hilarious


It’s just years away from you not being able to deny it anymore.

You must really love seeing 10-year-old children going to school with bulletproof backpacks for an active shooter drill while laughing at the climate disruption they will face.

Look, alarmism is a cult. If one is alarmed over a genuine issue, such as forest fires happen, then steps can be taken to mitigate those fires. But climate is not a thing that can be controlled by man. Man would have controlled climate if man had the means.
Per the alarmists, the past very cold and heavy snowfalls never should have happened. Were the alarmists right, Death Valley would hold the current record for most hot period ever. But that period was in the early 1900s and not the recent era. Try to recall that you are driven not by scientists, but by the politicians.

 

[Robert W]

Please explain what you mean by "correctly graphed".

And let me make a really obvious point: how you graph it has no effect whatsoever on the actual values. After you explain "correctly graphed", why don't we have a talk about the significance of the actual values?

2 degrees warmer (and that is definitely not climate) over 150 years is virtually a flat line and not a hockey stick. Why isn't warmer climate? Because of several factors. First this earth is not small as some think of it. It is compared to man, enormous. And this alleged global climate would show warmer virtually everywhere. Even that alarming colored graph shown to us by such as NOAA shows small increments as being very bright. This is for shock effect. A bit warmer contributes to plants doing very well. Well plants contribute to more Oxygen. This you must have to live.

 

[Robert W]

I didn't ask for more evasions. I asked you to state your point directly, in your own words, and then back it up.

Needless to say, you couldn't. And nobody is surprised.

Said by a poster who is guilty of the same. Back up your claims. I know I am not surprised you can't back up your claims.