Liz Gets Real: Single-Payer Is The Answer

[task0778]

Here's what I know: California turned it down, too expensive. Colorado turned it down, too expensive. It failed in Vermont, too expensive. A number of other states have looked it and passed. Why? You guessed, too expensive. Have you noticed the total fuckup that is our VA system? Healthcare for our military retirees is a national disgrace, and it's an example of a single payer system.

When Bernie Sanders proposed a national single payer system the center-left Urban Institute put the cost at an additional increase in gov't spending at $32 trillion over the next 10 years. Can you imagine the increase in taxes we'd all have to pay for that? And it ain't like we have enough doctors and nurses as it is, how are we going to provide access to everybody? And don't think a whole lot more people will try to use it, everybody loves free stuff. We flat out don't have the providers, it's as simple as that. Which means rationing, on a scale far worse that anything we've ever had before. Libdems talk about people dying from the GOP HC plans we've seen thus far, but that won't be nothin' compared to how many people are going to die waiting for health care once we go to a SP.

So it ain't the panacea the Left paints it as. If Warren and the Dems want to run on that, fine by me. And if it comes to pass, so be it. But we will rue the day.

 

[2aguy]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

Single payer is collapsing around the world...they can't afford it even with the U.S.paying Tom protect them with our military......

Around the world? Really? Credible proof? Credible links?

The founder of Canda's medicare system...

"Father" of Canadian Health Care Admits its a Failure - Civitas Review

Today comes news that the man largely responsible for Canada's conversion to a single-payer health care system has admitted the system's failure:

"Back in the 1960s, (Claude) Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.

The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast."

Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."

"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

As more and more nations throughout the world seek to infuse more private, market-based solutions into their government-controlled healthcare systems, for some reason lefties in this country want to make the same mistake that countries like Canada made decades ago.

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Best Health Systems
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan 65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

Moron...we have been over this over and over again....they cheat.....they Rank the U.S. low because we don't have socialized medicine, we have high death rates from automobile accidents and we count infant mortality differently than the Europeans do.....and of course the ones making the list are supporters of socialized medicine....

I have linked to country after country, they all have socialized medicine and they are all running out of money, Doctors, and are on the way to collapse...

 

[2aguy]

Here's what I know: California turned it down, too expensive. Colorado turned it down, too expensive. It failed in Vermont, too expensive. A number of other states have looked it and passed. Why? You guessed, too expensive. Have you noticed the total fuckup that is our VA system? Healthcare for our military retirees is a national disgrace, and it's an example of a single payer system.

When Bernie Sanders proposed a national single payer system the center-left Urban Institute put the cost at an additional increase in gov't spending at $32 trillion over the next 10 years. Can you imagine the increase in taxes we'd all have to pay for that? And it ain't like we have enough doctors and nurses as it is, how are we going to provide access to everybody? And don't think a whole lot more people will try to use it, everybody loves free stuff. We flat out don't have the providers, it's as simple as that. Which means rationing, on a scale far worse that anything we've ever had before. Libdems talk about people dying from the GOP HC plans we've seen thus far, but that won't be nothin' compared to how many people are going to die waiting for health care once we go to a SP.

So it ain't the panacea the Left paints it as. If Warren and the Dems want to run on that, fine by me. And if it comes to pass, so be it. But we will rue the day.

Warren the Dems will have their own healthcare system.....they won't be victims of single payer...

 

[nat4900]

Moron...we have been over this over and over again....they cheat..

Paranoia much 2braincells??????

 

[Markle]

The CBO estimates that 22-23 million people will lose their HC coverage
under the administration of republicans.......FACT

You left out that is over a period of TEN YEARS and most of those folks did NOT WANT health insurance in the first place.

 

[Ame®icano]

Liz is right. We need to cut out the greedy middlemen - the for-profit health care insurance companies! Think of the savings! What benefits do for-profit health insurance companies provide that couldn't be better provided without them? They provide zero health and medical benefits. Makes no sense. It's like paying protection money to the mafia. Medicare is non-profit and works just fine - with much lower management and overhead costs than for-profit health care insurance companies.

Government cant run the VA, yet wants to control whole health care.

By the way, do you think you have a right to a doctor?

The government runs Medicare and Medicaid .. both work well in spite of the bullshit you're fed by private insurance and the congressmen they payoff.

Sure, they're paying the bills with other people money, and when they're short due to the own incompetence or to billions lost in fraud, they just ask gov't for more. Great business model.

VA should run better than either of those two, and if they're fucked up so much, imagine how the rest it is.

 

[2aguy]

The CBO estimates that 22-23 million people will lose their HC coverage
under the administration of republicans.......FACT

You left out that is over a period of TEN YEARS and most of those folks did NOT WANT health insurance in the first place.

That was a nice trick of obamacare...force everyone to buy it and Bam....everyone has health insurance...they can't afford to get actual treatment since the deductibles are 7,000 dollars and the premiums are too much for all but the rich to afford...but they cleared the CBO number crunching...on paper....

 

[Markle]

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

They'd have no reason to practice at all. There would be a shortage, just as there are in Canada.

 

[Ame®icano]

Wow, a Socialist says Socialism is the only alternative after a Socialat detroyed the existong non-Socialist health care system, replacing it with a temp socialism alternative designed to fail and lead to permanent Socialism.

Who'd a thunk it?!

You know, the real communism has never been tried. His specific, perfect, entirely infallible brand might just work this time.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It won't work in a capitalist system and it's a tax drain. Furthermore, you would have a massive doctor and healthcare revolt as costs would have to come way down in order for it to even be feasible. Possibly lower than even Canadian costs. This would then affect medical school costs, standards, the whole nine.

In the end, it will still fail or be drastically inadequate. Your quality will go down, though you will have more quantity. I believe in a multi-tier system based on free market competition. This is somewhat the issue with a new Bill if cross state insurer competition is enacted.

This is why the focus on "America First" and jobs which have been stolen are so vital. If you have a job, chances are you will have healthcare. Generational welfare (a massive problem in England for instance) will simply tax the system to such a degree that it will not survive. Then, China wins, the world loses.

Your first sentence -

Yes it would and no it's not.

Medicare started out a mess and now works pretty well and is solvent.


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[Markle]

As long as you can overlook those signs in the Doctors offices stating they do not take Medicaid patients.

Then, your state should remind them of the Hyppocratic oath they took and the licence to practice that they received...Remember this about the oath......(nothing there about how much can I gouge my patinets....)


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Until a doctor actually accepts a patient as a patient he has no duty or responsibility to that patient!

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

You would have far fewer doctors!

Why?

Same as Canada.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The answer to everything for these people.

the above moron, "thinks" that anybody on the left actually stated that they want "free shit".......This is what passes for right wing fucked up-ness......LOL

Or, gets free shit.

Apparently, that same moron believes health insurance via ObamaCares is free.

Where do they get this stuff?

Oh yah - "alternative facts".

[emoji849]


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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

....and EQUALLY, of course, you rather "trust" some private insurers whose PROFIT relies precisely on "death health decisions"...........If you actually say yes, then you can safely claim that you are the paragon of MORONS.

At least that federal bureaucrat has NO interest in a some extra profit in denying care.

Are you seriously naïve enough to believe that the federal government will not turn you down for life-saving care in the name of saving money? I have news for you. It happens all the time in countries with a socialized system

 

[frigidweirdo]

But it does work in capitalist systems in the UK, and the US federal govt spends about as much as the UK govt does on healthcare. Go figure.

The US spends $588 on Medicare and $368 on Medicaid, that $956 billion a year.

The NHS costs the UK about 120 billion pounds a year. That's about $155 billion a year. Bear in mind that the UK is 1/5th the size of the US, that's $775 billion a year to run a healthcare system. The US spends MORE than that and doesn't even cover very much.

Actually, you must also address that in the UK...as compared to us......DENTAL and VISION are ALSO covered........

Are you really arguing for the merits of the British dental system?

Do you know anything about the British dental system?

The issue isn't with the dental system, which is perfectly fine when the right aren't defunding it in order to prove it doesn't work. The issue is with the willingness of British people to pay for dental work.

 

[Ame®icano]

Can you provide a link where is written that you have that right?

Probably "written" in the same document that allows the right for a mother to have kids....or to breathe fresh air.......its not written anywhere that morons have a right to access the internet..........yet here you are.

Hey shitstain, link?

 

[Markle]

Yes, one of the biggest problems in the US is that everything is massively expensive. How the US federal govt can spend more per capita than the UK govt is beyond me.

Simple, the UK provides inferior care.

 

[g5000]

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

They'd have no reason to practice at all. There would be a shortage, just as there are in Canada.

*sigh*

See posts 174 and 176.

 

[Markle]

true........France and Italy that DO have universal HC care have a much more impressive longevity than Americans.....somehow, those countries don't resort to killing its own.

As you, neither of which have one iota to do with the other. Why lie?

 

[Markle]

*sigh*

See posts 174 and 176.

Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report

A survey by the Fraser Institute found a median wait of 20 weeks for “medically necessary” treatments and procedures in 2016 – the longest-recorded wait time since the think tank began tracking wait times.

That’s more than double the wait times reported in 1993, when the right-leaning think tank began tracking the issue in Canada.

The survey looked at total wait times faced by patients starting from the time they received a referral from a general practitioner, to the consultation with a specialist, to “when the patient ultimately receives treatment.”


At 38.8 weeks, New Brunswick recorded the longest wait time among Canadian provinces.

Ontario recorded the shortest wait time at 15.6 weeks, however that province’s median wait rose from 14.2 weeks in 2015.

Median wait time by province in 2016:

• New Brunswick: 38.8 weeks
• Nova Scotia: 34. 8
• P.E.I: 31.4
• Newfoundland and Labrador: 26
• British Columbia: 25.2
• Alberta: 22.9
• Manitoba: 20.6
• Quebec: 18.9
• Saskatchewan: 16.6
• Ontario: 15.6

Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2015 Report

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

Of course it will be health care the fake Indian will never have to use. I challenge Warren to use the VA health care system and then tell US citizens this is what the Democratic party wants to force on you.