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Sorry about the post Val.. I meant it for Ravi... Look again.
Blues
You are demonizing liberals. The Nazi's demonized Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals.
Ravi is making a fair comparison.
Anti-semitism these days is often hidden behind the "liberal" label.
I wasn't even talking about the Nazis, though of course they did.
She's been blaming liberals all throughout this thread, much in the same way people throughout history have blamed the Jews.
It is just stupidity, IMO.
Nope, I have not once blamed liberals. I have blamed liberal policies... because liberal policies are at the heart of EU policies.... and this is the outcome. That is not blaming liberals.... but it is blaming their policies.
It St Blues yet another iteration of Conjob....??
Naaaaaaaah, Maddow at least works for a living. And isn't embroiled in a massive personal search to figure out who the daddy's are.I wasn't even talking about the Nazis, though of course they did.
She's been blaming liberals all throughout this thread, much in the same way people throughout history have blamed the Jews.
It is just stupidity, IMO.
Yes, it is stupidity. She's got a real "jones" for liberals.
Ravi's a Rachel Maddow..... Fuck her.
I work with people like you - social scientists. You guys are responsible for this shit. Your dumbassed 'research' and stupid 'research based conclusions' about handing people something for nothing is what brought this situation to fruition. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Want to know why these kids have no hope? Because people like you took it away from them. You created the hand out system that has, for generations, destroyed the fabric of Britain's society. You taught the parents and grandparents of these kids that they didn't have to work. You taught them that society owes them everything. You hand them homes, and money, and vacations, and goods, and services.... and you took away the single most valuable thing to human beings - self respect.
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what exactly do you do? Have you not noticed that what I am saying is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
People need the opportunity to succeed. When you have situations as have grown in gang areas in London and elsewhere where these have basically taken over the socialisation process, you clearly need different input to give the kids a chance to reach something new.
We did not have those kind of gangs when I lived in London -left '88 and at that time we were far more into having socialist values. These gangs should have been nipped in the bud when they arose, not just left for the community to live on welfare and criminal activity s. If anything the problems come from Thatcherite ideas like there is no society or Friedman beliefs that we are all little isolated Robinson Crusoe's who care only for ourselves which is basically a psychopathic view as it believes people are totally without empathy.
Well tough luck because it is generally accepted here that after this is sorted out there is a need to address the issues.
It St Blues yet another iteration of Conjob....??
Damn, I hope not.... but now that you mention it.... maybe.
NO... Cut it out and try being nice will ya?
what exactly do you do? Have you not noticed that what I am saying is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
People need the opportunity to succeed. When you have situations as have grown in gang areas in London and elsewhere where these have basically taken over the socialisation process, you clearly need different input to give the kids a chance to reach something new.
We did not have those kind of gangs when I lived in London -left '88 and at that time we were far more into having socialist values. These gangs should have been nipped in the bud when they arose, not just left for the community to live on welfare and criminal activity s. If anything the problems come from Thatcherite ideas like there is no society or Friedman beliefs that we are all little isolated Robinson Crusoe's who care only for ourselves which is basically a psychopathic view as it believes people are totally without empathy.
Well tough luck because it is generally accepted here that after this is sorted out there is a need to address the issues.
Bullshit! Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the rioting and looting is no longer confined to the inner city ghettoes. It has now expanded to the more affluent leafy suburbs and yes, we sure do need to address the issues...starting with the likes of the bleeding hearts who are so quick to find excuses for these scum and who are a root cause of the breakdown of discipline in this country. First lesson...wanna riot and loot on our streets? Expect to get your head cracked. And when caught. Give them five years inside with no remission.
I wish you guys would stop distorting what I am saying. I am not now and never have supported the rioting though it is just as bad wherever it happens.
I am not going to repeat what I said because anyone with any intelligence and openness will be able to see. I hope you are not like GHook wanting my head cracked..
BS.
what exactly do you do? Have you not noticed that what I am saying is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
People need the opportunity to succeed. When you have situations as have grown in gang areas in London and elsewhere where these have basically taken over the socialisation process, you clearly need different input to give the kids a chance to reach something new.
We did not have those kind of gangs when I lived in London -left '88 and at that time we were far more into having socialist values. These gangs should have been nipped in the bud when they arose, not just left for the community to live on welfare and criminal activity s. If anything the problems come from Thatcherite ideas like there is no society or Friedman beliefs that we are all little isolated Robinson Crusoe's who care only for ourselves which is basically a psychopathic view as it believes people are totally without empathy.
Well tough luck because it is generally accepted here that after this is sorted out there is a need to address the issues.
since you quoted me i will answer...
No amount of money and or programs will EVER fix the institutionalized entitlement mentality. It has become a way of life that is enough to get them by.
If there were no monies or programs... they would either starve and die...or get off their ass's and do something with their lives to make their situation in life a bit better.
the HAVE the opportunity to seceded.... its called sucking it up... playing withing the rules... acting and speaking in a fashion that will allow you to get ahead..and getting an education or learning a skill.
If you want to give them a new socialization... something different... a way to get out of their situation..... how about the military? You know the good old fashioned way.
I must chuckle about your last statement..... how have those liberal programs been working out so far? Not so good i would have to say.
BS.what exactly do you do? Have you not noticed that what I am saying is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
People need the opportunity to succeed. When you have situations as have grown in gang areas in London and elsewhere where these have basically taken over the socialisation process, you clearly need different input to give the kids a chance to reach something new.
We did not have those kind of gangs when I lived in London -left '88 and at that time we were far more into having socialist values. These gangs should have been nipped in the bud when they arose, not just left for the community to live on welfare and criminal activity s. If anything the problems come from Thatcherite ideas like there is no society or Friedman beliefs that we are all little isolated Robinson Crusoe's who care only for ourselves which is basically a psychopathic view as it believes people are totally without empathy.
Well tough luck because it is generally accepted here that after this is sorted out there is a need to address the issues.
since you quoted me i will answer...
No amount of money and or programs will EVER fix the institutionalized entitlement mentality. It has become a way of life that is enough to get them by.
If there were no monies or programs... they would either starve and die...or get off their ass's and do something with their lives to make their situation in life a bit better.
the HAVE the opportunity to seceded.... its called sucking it up... playing withing the rules... acting and speaking in a fashion that will allow you to get ahead..and getting an education or learning a skill.
If you want to give them a new socialization... something different... a way to get out of their situation..... how about the military? You know the good old fashioned way.
I must chuckle about your last statement..... how have those liberal programs been working out so far? Not so good i would have to say.
Would you rather live in a Third World Country. Yeah, punish the poor.
Wake up. The economy is in the toliet and poor people feel the most.
Bullshit! Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the rioting and looting is no longer confined to the inner city ghettoes. It has now expanded to the more affluent leafy suburbs and yes, we sure do need to address the issues...starting with the likes of the bleeding hearts who are so quick to find excuses for these scum and who are a root cause of the breakdown of discipline in this country. First lesson...wanna riot and loot on our streets? Expect to get your head cracked. And when caught. Give them five years inside with no remission.
I wish you guys would stop distorting what I am saying. I am not now and never have supported the rioting though it is just as bad wherever it happens.
I am not going to repeat what I said because anyone with any intelligence and openness will be able to see. I hope you are not like GHook wanting my head cracked..
No, but you support the programs that got it to this point..... the dole.
BS.since you quoted me i will answer...
No amount of money and or programs will EVER fix the institutionalized entitlement mentality. It has become a way of life that is enough to get them by.
If there were no monies or programs... they would either starve and die...or get off their ass's and do something with their lives to make their situation in life a bit better.
the HAVE the opportunity to seceded.... its called sucking it up... playing withing the rules... acting and speaking in a fashion that will allow you to get ahead..and getting an education or learning a skill.
If you want to give them a new socialization... something different... a way to get out of their situation..... how about the military? You know the good old fashioned way.
I must chuckle about your last statement..... how have those liberal programs been working out so far? Not so good i would have to say.
Would you rather live in a Third World Country. Yeah, punish the poor.
Wake up. The economy is in the toliet and poor people feel the most.
No they don't.. They get their checks one way or the other, They're pissed because they're either getting less or not getting more. Fuck them, the lazy dirty prolific pricks.
Blues