Main differences Libertarian Party and Libertarian Republican faction?

[bripat9643]

Not if they used the presidency to dismantle the government from the inside and then resign.

I'm not sure - but I don't think "Libertarian" is the same as "anarchist"

For the extreme end of Libertarianism it is one and the same. Anarchists just tend to have a more leftist bent. Big on communes and collectives, but only local ones, with no national or even state form of government.

I'm an anarchist, but I think communes and collectives are idiotic and doomed to fail. I'm a firm believer in private property.

 

[jillian]

What are the main differences in stances between those two?

the GOP version isn't libertarian or they wouldn't be anti-choice

 

[JakeStarkey]

No competent view exists of a cohesive libertarian philosophy that can become the base for a serious take over of the GOP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm not sure - but I don't think "Libertarian" is the same as "anarchist"

For the extreme end of Libertarianism it is one and the same. Anarchists just tend to have a more leftist bent. Big on communes and collectives, but only local ones, with no national or even state form of government.

I'm an anarchist, but I think communes and collectives are idiotic and doomed to fail. I'm a
firm believer in private property.

Libertarian or Anarchist?What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?

The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

The humanist answer
Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

The funny answer
Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)
An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

The graphic answer
It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there.

The straight answer
Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

 

[Duped]

The republican platform is currently the only viable avenue to the presidency for any libertarian, or so called one. Each can be differentiated independently based on their beliefs, but those who have merged have those lofty aspirations!

The libertarian party members simply promote libertarianism is my take?

 

[Pheonixops]

Hard to say when you're talking so broadly. You've got Libertarian Party people like Bob Barr and Gary Johnson who aren't really the same at all, and then "Libertarian Republicans" like Rand Paul, who I wouldn't even call libertarian, and Justin Amash who are quite different from one another. So it's difficult to say how the "factions" differ from one another, when members of those factions differ from one another just as much. You can really only look on the individual level of people who can be called libertarians.

Ooh okay, so there are not even libertarians in the Republican Party as it used to be. I mean, I wouldn't call Rand Paul and Justin Amash libertarians in comparison to Ron Paul.

Are there even libertarians in the Libertarian Party though? Bob Barr was certainly a stretch, and while Johnson was a vast improvement I still had some issues with his positions.

I agree regarding Barr, what issues did you have with Gary Johnson's positions?

 

[Pheonixops]

Anyone who claims to be libertarian but can turn around and promote the abuse of the NAP doesn't make the cut. Gary Johnson reduced his credentials when he wanted to send military intervention over the whole Kony thing. He went on the record to say it. That's against the principles of libertariansim.

I agree. This is the first time I heard of that, thank you.

 

[steve6599]

The basic difference is a Libertarian Republican will turn a blind eye to to what the party actually does and they will continue to vote Republican even though it is against everything they believe. A true Libertarian will never vote for a Republican unless they are true Libertarians. Good examples are Romney voters.

 

[DriftingSand]

What are the main differences in stances between those two?

It's hard to say but I can offer an opinion. I think hard-core Libertarians probably vote for and support 100% Libertarians and Libertarian causes while Libertarian Republicans are willing to compromise with other Conservative factions as a means to keep the Progressives from gaining more ground. I am a mix between Tea Party, Libertarian Party, Conservative Party, and Republican Party. I will support the best of the best when possible but the lesser of two evils when absolutely necessary.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What are the main differences in stances between those two?

the GOP version isn't libertarian or they wouldn't be anti-choice

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Ooh okay, so there are not even libertarians in the Republican Party as it used to be. I mean, I wouldn't call Rand Paul and Justin Amash libertarians in comparison to Ron Paul.

Are there even libertarians in the Libertarian Party though? Bob Barr was certainly a stretch, and while Johnson was a vast improvement I still had some issues with his positions.

I agree regarding Barr, what issues did you have with Gary Johnson's positions?

Well at one point he said that he supported keeping Guantanamo Bay Prison open, but later flip flopped without acknowledging his prior support. That was what turned me off from him to begin with. I brought up the libertarian position on marriage earlier, and Johnson deviates from it. His position is that the government should enforce gay marriage, as far as I can tell. I also took issue with the way he tried to run his campaign based almost solely on legalizing marijuana, but on the other hand he was not in favor of legalizing other drugs as any good libertarian would be.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The basic difference is a Libertarian Republican will turn a blind eye to to what the party actually does and they will continue to vote Republican even though it is against everything they believe. A true Libertarian will never vote for a Republican unless they are true Libertarians. Good examples are Romney voters.

This is a bit too simplistic. We know, for example, that Ron Paul did not vote for John McCain in 2008, and yet he is a Republican libertarian.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Platform | Libertarian Party

and compare with,

We The People: A Restoration of Constitutional Government - GOP

vis a vis

The Democratic Party Platform | Democrats.org

 

[Crystalclear]

I have looked up the libertarian party and I must say, I agree with them more than any other party. But what's the libertarian view on government? I mean, no government is not achievable. I support free markets and privatization, personal freedom, taxes and spending reduced in large amounts, but some small form of government will always be there. How do libertarians on this board see this question?

 

[martybegan]

What are the main differences in stances between those two?

the GOP version isn't libertarian or they wouldn't be anti-choice

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

One could also have a federalist view on abortion, i.e. while the federal government should have zero say on the legality of abortion, it is a perfectly acceptable topic of legislation at the STATE level.

 

[Crystalclear]

the GOP version isn't libertarian or they wouldn't be anti-choice

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

One could also have a federalist view on abortion, i.e. while the federal government should have zero say on the legality of abortion, it is a perfectly acceptable topic of legislation at the STATE level.

Federal in what way? Like promoting or what? Because that's also not necessary, it's just a choice for a woman and the government should stay out of it.

 

[martybegan]

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

One could also have a federalist view on abortion, i.e. while the federal government should have zero say on the legality of abortion, it is a perfectly acceptable topic of legislation at the STATE level.

Federal in what way? Like promoting or what? Because that's also not necessary, it's just a choice for a woman and the government should stay out of it.

People as a whole, as part of society have a say in how you can live your life via legislative action. Its the basis of criminal and civil law. In our system of government, if it worked as the Constitution is written, the federal level is given specific powers, and any of those not given to them are devolved to the States, or in the case of listed Rights, retained by the people, not the governments.

For a federalist, the issue of abortion is not seen in the US Constitution, therefore it as an issue of law falls to the State legislatures. It is up to the state, if it so chooses, to legalize abortion via law, make it illegal via law, or ignore it via law.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have looked up the libertarian party and I must say, I agree with them more than any other party. But what's the libertarian view on government? I mean, no government is not achievable. I support free markets and privatization, personal freedom, taxes and spending reduced in large amounts, but some small form of government will always be there. How do libertarians on this board see this question?

Some would agree with you, while others, myself included, would say that there is no role for the government anywhere even if there is no prospect for that happening anytime soon.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

the GOP version isn't libertarian or they wouldn't be anti-choice

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

One could also have a federalist view on abortion, i.e. while the federal government should have zero say on the legality of abortion, it is a perfectly acceptable topic of legislation at the STATE level.

True, but even so you'd still probably have your own personal position on the issue.

 

[martybegan]

And this is a common misconception regarding libertarianism, that we're all pro-choice. There are certain issues that are disqualifiers for libertarians, war comes to mind, but abortion is not even close to being one of them. There are pro-life and pro-choice libertarians, and there's logical basis for both positions from a libertarian point of view. Jillian, for whatever reason, simply wants her position on abortion to be the libertarian position. She doesn't care what we think on anything else, as far as I can tell, but for some reason she wants to think of herself as at least being libertarian on abortion.

One could also have a federalist view on abortion, i.e. while the federal government should have zero say on the legality of abortion, it is a perfectly acceptable topic of legislation at the STATE level.

True, but even so you'd still probably have your own personal position on the issue.

Yes, but my personal view does not trump either the Constitution or State law. My view is that if used because "you just can't have a baby now" it is a reprehensible act that could have been made un-needed by simple acts on your own part. However, I do not see a compelling state interest in banning it. On the other hand if people in Kentucky want to ban it, more power to them.