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Home churches were the early church. Legitimate bible scholars know this. By what authority to do dare to judge the Written Word of God as untrue, Chuck? You are blind to intepretation of Scripture because you are not born again. Jesus said, Ye must be born again in order to enter the kindgom of heaven. Repent of your sins and call on the Lord Jesus Christ and perhaps he will have mercy upon you. Today is the day of salvation.
It is a church when God recognizes it as a Church.
Many of our "churches" are Asleep=They are little more than a Social club.
many of our "churches" are asleep=they are little more than a social club.
couldn't agree more. There's not a church within a 100 miles of denver that i'd waste my time attending (at least none that i know of). Most teach a "cotton candy" theology or the "blab it and grab" it "prosperity" sermon. Sorry, but i'm simply not interested. Until i can find a church that teaches the bible and only the bible then i will remain my own church. May the spirit guide all of us into truth.
The most edifying, spiritual discussions I've ever had were in my home Bible study. I learned more and grew more in that setting then in all the organized churches I've attended over the years combined. I've learned more just reading from the Bible then I will EVER learn from Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Robert Schuller, Joel Olsteen, and many others of their ilk. I've attended Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Quaker, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, non-denominational, Hebrew Roots, and several other churches and have been left wanting. Oh yeah ... I've learned a little here and a little there but it was always the small, face to face, Christian to Christian gatherings with Bibles open where the truth shined most brightly.
Where two or more are gathered in Christs name, there the brethren are having church. The church is not a building. The Church is the Body of Christ that preaches the message of the Cross, that believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that preaches holiness, repentance, reading the bible, preaching the Word of God and soul winning. Which does bring me to a question for you, Chuck. If you have taken so much time to study and become a bible scholar as you claim to be ( yet I find little evidence of it ) then why do you not obey the bible and do what it says?
Why do you oppose the preachers of Righteousness and try to stop the Word of God from going forth on this message board? Do you not see yourself as an Alexander or Hymenaeus that Paul warned the church of? Repent, Chuck. Repent and call on the Lord Jesus Christ and perhaps He will have mercy upon your soul.
- Jeremiah
Home churches are often an area of non-accountability:
Is a home church a true biblical church?one final caution concerns the issue of accountability. For Protestant churches, the Bible alone is the guide in matters of faith and practice. However, few people have the time to gain the skills and knowledge to accurately handle the word of God (2 Timothy 3:14-16). In classical education theology was taught last - for it builds on many other disciplines that cannot be learned from the Bible alone. Therefore, some degree of higher education was usually sought before one became a teacher of the word (James 3:1). The popular view today, however, is that the Holy Spirit teaches believers directly through the Bible. This idea might lead people to believe that whatever the group teaches is from God and is therefore safe from error. But the Bible does not teach that this is the case, and it is clear that most believers disagree on at least some issues, and most simply end up "interpreting" the Bible according to their churches' teaching anyway.
The answer to the interpretation issue requires another article, but the problem it creates becomes more ominous when dealing with home churches. The New Testament is full of warnings against heresies coming from within the church. Since it was written in the first century, these would actually be warnings regarding house churches. While this problem is certainly not limited to house churches, there is clearly no guarantee of protection from false teaching simply because the church changes its meeting format. Further, because home churches function as independent small groups, they need have no accountability to anyone but themselves. This makes it much more difficult to judge their teachings (in fact, the Jehovah's Witnesses cult began in exactly this manner). In contrast, larger congregations benefit from a plurality of elders, spiritually mature men (Titus 1:5-9) who are overseers of the flock, protecting them from false doctrine.
In conclusion, there is nothing unbiblical about Christians gathering together regularly in houses, or large buildings, or any other appropriate venue. The Bible does not, in fact, give any guidelines as to the proper gathering size or location. What it does do is explain what is to take place at those meetings (Hebrews 10; Colossians 3). So long as biblical teachings (orthodoxy) and practices (orthopraxy) are undertaken by those in assembly, it really does not matter what meeting format one chooses.
So no. Technically it could be argued that you are gathered together but it isn't a Church.
The Holy Spirit operating in true believers has made it known to many that Jesus is coming soon. There never before in history has been huge numbers of Holy Spirit inspired teachings, songs, books, and movies informing us about the soon return of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not leading all these dedicated teachers, writers, readers and believers astray. God's purpose for this message is to get out the good news to all those with ears to hear that Jesus is about to return for His Church.
Certainly there are major segments in Christianity (even in the evangelical churches) that have been downplaying the soon return of Jesus. We see this trend in the post modern "seeker friendly" and Emergent Church Movement with their watered down gospel and Laodicean attitude. We also see it among the dominionists who believe the Church must fix everything on earth before Jesus can even return. The mocking coming from "Christians" toward those who teach on the Lord's second coming and those that teach that there is a blessed hope of escape (rapture) from God's judgment was also predicted to occur just prior to the coming of Jesus.
In these last days puffed up windbags have come along within Christendom that downplay the Gospel of salvation and Bible prophecy and instead teach contrary to God's word that Bible prophecy about the Lord's soon return is just a distraction. Fulfillment of Bible prophecy obviously does not fit their agenda of making a socialist utopia on the earth before Jesus even returns. Never mind that the Bible teaches just the opposite. That Jesus will come for those offering the gospel of salvation and patiently watching and waiting for His return. The scriptures clearly say that Jesus will come for the Church suddenly like a thief. Of those left behind on earth no flesh would have survived the troubles on earth if Jesus did not come back to save a remnant of Israel.
The pseudo Christian message of humanistic works, social justice philosophies and/or dominionist agenda has replaced the gospel of salvation but it is nowhere found in the Bible. A social agenda gospel has replaced the revealed prophetic truth written in the scriptures about the last days. We should not be surprised because the New Testament writers told us that this would happen in the last days. The scriptures clearly say that there would be those that would not endure sound doctrine and that people with itching ears would follow after them.
The Christianity many have is nothing more than a religious culture. They downplay that Jesus is coming soon because they spiritualize Bible prophecy so they know nothing about it. They are in love with the things of the world and any coming of Jesus just does not fit within their humanist agenda.
DK.
The most edifying, spiritual discussions I've ever had were in my home Bible study. I learned more and grew more in that setting then in all the organized churches I've attended over the years combined. I've learned more just reading from the Bible then I will EVER learn from Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Robert Schuller, Joel Olsteen, and many others of their ilk. I've attended Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Quaker, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, non-denominational, Hebrew Roots, and several other churches and have been left wanting. Oh yeah ... I've learned a little here and a little there but it was always the small, face to face, Christian to Christian gatherings with Bibles open where the truth shined most brightly.
TO FIND A BIBLE BELIEVING, TEACHING CHURCH TAKES EFFORT AND RESEARCH,but first you must really want to.
Many of our "churches" are Asleep=They are little more than a Social club.
Couldn't agree more. There's not a church within a 100 miles of Denver that I'd waste my time attending (at least none that I know of). Most teach a "cotton candy" theology or the "blab it and grab" it "prosperity" sermon. Sorry, but I'm simply not interested. Until I can find a church that teaches the Bible and only the Bible then I will remain my own church. May the Spirit guide all of us into truth.
The church is important because it reveals Christ, even as Christ reveals God in human flesh.
That is essentially what our Jewish friend, the Apostle Paul, is saying in 1 Timothy 3:14-16. The church is the continuing incarnation of God incarnate. The word “incarnate” comes from two Latin words meaning “in flesh.” It means that God took on a human body in the person of Jesus Christ. And since Jesus ascended into heaven, we now, as His body continue His presence on earth until He returns. Since the eternal destiny of every person on earth depends on his or her being rightly related to Jesus the coming King and Judge of all the earth, nothing could be more crucial than the church!
=============== YES!! I SEE HOW YOU WOULD FALL INTO ERROR doing that!!The most edifying, spiritual discussions I've ever had were in my home Bible study. I learned more and grew more in that setting then in all the organized churches I've attended over the years combined. I've learned more just reading from the Bible then I will EVER learn from Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Robert Schuller, Joel Olsteen, and many others of their ilk. I've attended Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Quaker, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, non-denominational, Hebrew Roots, and several other churches and have been left wanting. Oh yeah ... I've learned a little here and a little there but it was always the small, face to face, Christian to Christian gatherings with Bibles open where the truth shined most brightly.
TO FIND A BIBLE BELIEVING, TEACHING CHURCH TAKES EFFORT AND RESEARCH,but first you must really want to.
Doesn't take any effort and research. When I was young, I walked and visited every local church and if they taught that you had to be born again and if they taught more than two verses, I stayed and if they didn't, I left.
=============== YES!! I SEE HOW YOU WOULD FALL INTO ERROR doing that!!TO FIND A BIBLE BELIEVING, TEACHING CHURCH TAKES EFFORT AND RESEARCH,but first you must really want to.
Doesn't take any effort and research. When I was young, I walked and visited every local church and if they taught that you had to be born again and if they taught more than two verses, I stayed and if they didn't, I left.
=============== YES!! I SEE HOW YOU WOULD FALL INTO ERROR doing that!!Doesn't take any effort and research. When I was young, I walked and visited every local church and if they taught that you had to be born again and if they taught more than two verses, I stayed and if they didn't, I left.
You aren't even apt to teach or able to give correct answers and you feel that the church can't but you can.
Do you know why? Because you and your friend are self-willed which means you aren't qualified.
New American Standard Bible
For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, -Titus 1:7 NASB
Titus 1:7 Since an overseer manages God's household, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
=============== YES!! I SEE HOW YOU WOULD FALL INTO ERROR doing that!!
You aren't even apt to teach or able to give correct answers and you feel that the church can't but you can.
Do you know why? Because you and your friend are self-willed which means you aren't qualified.
New American Standard Bible
For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, -Titus 1:7 NASB
Titus 1:7 Since an overseer manages God's household, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
JESUS REBUKES TROUBLE MAKERS!!!==
◄ Matthew 16:23 ►
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."
You aren't even apt to teach or able to give correct answers and you feel that the church can't but you can.
Do you know why? Because you and your friend are self-willed which means you aren't qualified.
New American Standard Bible
For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, -Titus 1:7 NASB
Titus 1:7 Since an overseer manages God's household, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
JESUS REBUKES TROUBLE MAKERS!!!==
◄ Matthew 16:23 ►
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."
No. I have the concerns of the church. You attacked the church whom belongs to God and your attack is of Satan.
The Holy Spirit operating in true believers has made it known to many that Jesus is coming soon. There never before in history has been huge numbers of Holy Spirit inspired teachings, songs, books, and movies informing us about the soon return of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not leading all these dedicated teachers, writers, readers and believers astray. God's purpose for this message is to get out the good news to all those with ears to hear that Jesus is about to return for His Church.
Certainly there are major segments in Christianity (even in the evangelical churches) that have been downplaying the soon return of Jesus. We see this trend in the post modern "seeker friendly" and Emergent Church Movement with their watered down gospel and Laodicean attitude. We also see it among the dominionists who believe the Church must fix everything on earth before Jesus can even return. The mocking coming from "Christians" toward those who teach on the Lord's second coming and those that teach that there is a blessed hope of escape (rapture) from God's judgment was also predicted to occur just prior to the coming of Jesus.
In these last days puffed up windbags have come along within Christendom that downplay the Gospel of salvation and Bible prophecy and instead teach contrary to God's word that Bible prophecy about the Lord's soon return is just a distraction. Fulfillment of Bible prophecy obviously does not fit their agenda of making a socialist utopia on the earth before Jesus even returns. Never mind that the Bible teaches just the opposite. That Jesus will come for those offering the gospel of salvation and patiently watching and waiting for His return. The scriptures clearly say that Jesus will come for the Church suddenly like a thief. Of those left behind on earth no flesh would have survived the troubles on earth if Jesus did not come back to save a remnant of Israel.
The pseudo Christian message of humanistic works, social justice philosophies and/or dominionist agenda has replaced the gospel of salvation but it is nowhere found in the Bible. A social agenda gospel has replaced the revealed prophetic truth written in the scriptures about the last days. We should not be surprised because the New Testament writers told us that this would happen in the last days. The scriptures clearly say that there would be those that would not endure sound doctrine and that people with itching ears would follow after them.
The Christianity many have is nothing more than a religious culture. They downplay that Jesus is coming soon because they spiritualize Bible prophecy so they know nothing about it. They are in love with the things of the world and any coming of Jesus just does not fit within their humanist agenda.
DK.
