Marco Rubio Speaks Out

[AzogtheDefiler]

This evidence was not introduced in front of the Senate. You are confusing the House investigation with the trial in the Senate. Have the testimony of witnesses and these documents been introduced in front of the Senate? Has Bolton, who was there, testified? NO.

Oh, wait! What's this?
Trump administration reveals it's blocking dozens of emails about Ukraine aid freeze, including President's role - CNNPolitics

DOJ has had these e-mails all the time and hid them??? Bring them forth in front of the Senate and read them so that the public can hear.

What part of Lamar Alexander's statement don't you get? The House managers proved their case. There was no crime nor any impeachable offenses. Read his statement saying that more witnesses is a waste of the senate's time.
Alexander Statement on Impeachment Witness Vote - Press Releases - United States Senator Lamar Alexander
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense. …The Constitution does not give the Senate the power to remove the president from office and ban him from this year’s ballot simply for actions that are inappropriate.

“The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday. …Our founding documents provide for duly elected presidents who serve with ‘the consent of the governed,’ not at the pleasure of the United States Congress. Let the people decide.” – Senator Lamar Alexander

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

Lamar Alexander “The question then is not whether the president did it,"

I can't believe folks believe and post this garbage. Lamar is dead wrong and he knows it going into retirement protecting his party.

How about we list full quotes not partial ones?

My comment stands.

As does mine.

Dem Senator Mazie Hirono: ‘I Don’t Care’ About ‘Legal, Constitutional Defenses’ Trump Team Has

 

[Unkotare]

It's not that they or I don't care...it's that we understand how dangerous it is to politicize impeachment like the Democrats have done!

Politicize Impeachment? You mean Impeaching a President for lying about a consensual sex act with another adult? Are you kidding?

This isn't that

The Framers didn't set it up so that would be something that was easy to do and they did so on purpose. They didn't want a simple majority to be able to get rid of the person that the people elected...they made it a 2/3rd's majority...something that's almost impossible to get unless you have bi-partisan agreement that a President has broken the law to such an extent that he needs to go NOW instead of waiting for the next election!

That majority just might be reached if the evidence and witnesses were presented. Republicans have done everything possible to make sure that didn't happen

Perjury is a real crime, to which Bubba confessed.

 

[Erinwltr]

What part of Lamar Alexander's statement don't you get? The House managers proved their case. There was no crime nor any impeachable offenses. Read his statement saying that more witnesses is a waste of the senate's time.
Alexander Statement on Impeachment Witness Vote - Press Releases - United States Senator Lamar Alexander
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense. …The Constitution does not give the Senate the power to remove the president from office and ban him from this year’s ballot simply for actions that are inappropriate.

“The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday. …Our founding documents provide for duly elected presidents who serve with ‘the consent of the governed,’ not at the pleasure of the United States Congress. Let the people decide.” – Senator Lamar Alexander

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

Lamar Alexander “The question then is not whether the president did it,"

I can't believe folks believe and post this garbage. Lamar is dead wrong and he knows it going into retirement protecting his party.

How about we list full quotes not partial ones?

My comment stands.

As does mine.

Dem Senator Mazie Hirono: ‘I Don’t Care’ About ‘Legal, Constitutional Defenses’ Trump Team Has

Good.

Read Lamar's statement again.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Bottom line is that DJT has been Impeached and should be removed from office. Bottom line.

You'll have your chance in November. Better hit the graveyard and get your votes lined up!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

Lamar Alexander “The question then is not whether the president did it,"

I can't believe folks believe and post this garbage. Lamar is dead wrong and he knows it going into retirement protecting his party.

How about we list full quotes not partial ones?

My comment stands.

As does mine.

Dem Senator Mazie Hirono: ‘I Don’t Care’ About ‘Legal, Constitutional Defenses’ Trump Team Has

Good.

Read Lamar's statement again.

Post the full statement.

 

[Erinwltr]

Bottom line is that DJT has been Impeached and should be removed from office. Bottom line.

Impeached by DemonRATS ONLY....and we have found out why, they OPENED THEMSELVES UP to discovery that THEY have been recieving BILLIONS Zof dollars, probably for DECADES from the corrupt practice of extorting kickbacks from 3rd world countries WE HAVE BEEN SENDING FOREIGN AID TO....Joe "The World's Dumbest Politician and Sexual Abuser" Biden let the cat out of the bag!

You are just silly.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

Bottom line is that DJT has been Impeached and should be removed from office. Bottom line.

Acquitted. Impeached = indicted. Acquitted = Not Guilty

Not proven guilty.

Come on, one more step, you're almost there.... What do we say in this country? Innocent until ... That's right, proven guilty. So take it from the top. Not proven guilty equals presumed innocence (aka, acquittal). Unless you favor some other standard based on feelz and arbitrary speculation.

Not when the jurors enter the "courtroom" with their minds already made up, in violation of the oaths they take, and then refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence. No acquittal in these circumstances is valid as it results from a "jury" that has openly announced, beforehand, that they are corrupt and have no intention of abiding by the oaths they took. Frankly, these senators perjured themselves.

What impeachment trial are you talking about? Because you're not describing the one that taking place right now, that's for sure. "Refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence"? You mean other than the 2,700 documents that were introduced in evidence and the testimony of 17 witnesses, including full transcripts of all of that testimony and video segments the House Managers felt best made their case? So you when you say "refused to allow presentation of the evidence," you're essentially saying all the evidence introduced which took 21 hours to present didn't amount to squat and wasn't sufficient to support a conviction on the articles of impeachment as charged. So why even pursue this to a Senate trial when they did? The possibility that maybe some new earth shattering revelation might fall in their lap during the trial?

This whole exercise is a perfect illustration of why the impeachment lacked merit from the get go.

This evidence was not introduced in front of the Senate. You are confusing the House investigation with the trial in the Senate. Have the testimony of witnesses and these documents been introduced in front of the Senate? Has Bolton, who was there, testified? NO.

Oh, wait! What's this?
Trump administration reveals it's blocking dozens of emails about Ukraine aid freeze, including President's role - CNNPolitics

DOJ has had these e-mails all the time and hid them??? Bring them forth in front of the Senate and read them so that the public can hear.

Are you being serious? I swear some of you people are intentionally trying to spread misinformation, it's simply not possible to be this consistently uninformed and incorrect.

House delivers 28,578-page trial record to Senate

Ahead of the opening of Saturday’s session, the House delivered a 28,578-page trial record to the Senate. The procession began on the House side of the Capitol and moved across the Rotunda to the Senate side, with stacks of documents being pushed on carts.

“The record delivered today presents a mountain of evidence showing the President has committed the impeachable offenses that the House has charged — Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress — and he should be removed from office,” the House impeachment managers said in a statement. “The factual and legal record laid out by the House Managers has yet to be substantively rebutted by President Trump or his lawyers, who have instead sought to hide behind novel and frivolous legal theories.”​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...73d4e6-3f60-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

Their argument finished, the House managers made one last stab on Saturday morning to underscore the power of their impeachment case against President Trump by marching from the House to the Senate with boxes filled with 28,578 pages of transcripts and other evidence collected during their inquiry.​

Day in Impeachment: Defense Team Lays Out Opening Arguments

 

[Dick Foster]

What part of Lamar Alexander's statement don't you get? The House managers proved their case. There was no crime nor any impeachable offenses. Read his statement saying that more witnesses is a waste of the senate's time.
Alexander Statement on Impeachment Witness Vote - Press Releases - United States Senator Lamar Alexander
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense. …The Constitution does not give the Senate the power to remove the president from office and ban him from this year’s ballot simply for actions that are inappropriate.

“The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday. …Our founding documents provide for duly elected presidents who serve with ‘the consent of the governed,’ not at the pleasure of the United States Congress. Let the people decide.” – Senator Lamar Alexander

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

Lamar Alexander “The question then is not whether the president did it,"

I can't believe folks believe and post this garbage. Lamar is dead wrong and he knows it going into retirement protecting his party.

How about we list full quotes not partial ones?

My comment stands.

As does mine.

Dem Senator Mazie Hirono: ‘I Don’t Care’ About ‘Legal, Constitutional Defenses’ Trump Team Has

The bitch should be censured for that. They have all sworn an oath to uphold the constitution and that statement alone is a clear and ample indication of her forswearing that oath.

 

[jc456]

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a president from office,” Rubio wrote.

Seriously? How could allowing a president to remain in office after committing impeachable offenses be in the best interest of the country? It definitely is not in the best interest of the country to allow a criminal to become a de facto dictator who thumbs his nose at the U.S. Constitution and laws.

This demonstrates why rubio should not be in the Senate, much less be considered as a possible POTUS.

Most people who had a negative opinion had to be told what Trump was accused of was wrong. A Prog in the same circumstances would never have been impeached. Repubs better do this back to them.

Baseless statements. republicans have acted to keep a criminal in office and to hide what he has done from the American People. How does one have a trial with no witnesses or other evidence being presented. Don't forget that the orange whore deliberately (and illegally) prevented witnesses and documentary evidence from being presented, even though they supposedly would have exonerated him.

Every Senator took the following oath:

"Do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump, president of the United States, now pending, you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help you god?"
​

But then did nothing to hide that they entered the Senate chamber with their minds already made up as to how they would vote, in violation of this oath, fidgeting with toys, doing crossword puzzles, reading books. These people have no allegiance to this country or to its constitution. They don't have a shred of integrity.

Why you people think that anyone would want to vote for a republican after this and everything else we have seen is beyond me. This is disgusting, not to mention un-American.

​

No crime so no criminal

 

[Oldstyle]

It's not that they or I don't care...it's that we understand how dangerous it is to politicize impeachment like the Democrats have done!

Politicize Impeachment? You mean Impeaching a President for lying about a consensual sex act with another adult? Are you kidding?

This isn't that

The Framers didn't set it up so that would be something that was easy to do and they did so on purpose. They didn't want a simple majority to be able to get rid of the person that the people elected...they made it a 2/3rd's majority...something that's almost impossible to get unless you have bi-partisan agreement that a President has broken the law to such an extent that he needs to go NOW instead of waiting for the next election!

That majority just might be reached if the evidence and witnesses were presented. Republicans have done everything possible to make sure that didn't happen

With all due respect, Lesh...the ones who made sure that all the witnesses you liberals wanted to testify would not testify are Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler and Nancy Pelosi! Instead of waiting for a Supreme Court ruling on Executive Privilege that MIGHT have gone your way they chose to rush through an impeachment in the House and send articles to the Senate that were DOA when they arrived!

For some reason you think that the GOP should bail your side out. That was never going to happen.

As for Bill Clinton? He committed perjury. He committed a crime. That being said I never would have impeached him. I don't think his crime...and it was a crime...came close to an impeachable offense!

 

[Oldstyle]

Acquitted. Impeached = indicted. Acquitted = Not Guilty

Not proven guilty.

Come on, one more step, you're almost there.... What do we say in this country? Innocent until ... That's right, proven guilty. So take it from the top. Not proven guilty equals presumed innocence (aka, acquittal). Unless you favor some other standard based on feelz and arbitrary speculation.

Not when the jurors enter the "courtroom" with their minds already made up, in violation of the oaths they take, and then refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence. No acquittal in these circumstances is valid as it results from a "jury" that has openly announced, beforehand, that they are corrupt and have no intention of abiding by the oaths they took. Frankly, these senators perjured themselves.

What impeachment trial are you talking about? Because you're not describing the one that taking place right now, that's for sure. "Refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence"? You mean other than the 2,700 documents that were introduced in evidence and the testimony of 17 witnesses, including full transcripts of all of that testimony and video segments the House Managers felt best made their case? So you when you say "refused to allow presentation of the evidence," you're essentially saying all the evidence introduced which took 21 hours to present didn't amount to squat and wasn't sufficient to support a conviction on the articles of impeachment as charged. So why even pursue this to a Senate trial when they did? The possibility that maybe some new earth shattering revelation might fall in their lap during the trial?

This whole exercise is a perfect illustration of why the impeachment lacked merit from the get go.

This evidence was not introduced in front of the Senate. You are confusing the House investigation with the trial in the Senate. Have the testimony of witnesses and these documents been introduced in front of the Senate? Has Bolton, who was there, testified? NO.

Oh, wait! What's this?
Trump administration reveals it's blocking dozens of emails about Ukraine aid freeze, including President's role - CNNPolitics

DOJ has had these e-mails all the time and hid them??? Bring them forth in front of the Senate and read them so that the public can hear.

What part of Lamar Alexander's statement don't you get? The House managers proved their case. There was no crime nor any impeachable offenses. Read his statement saying that more witnesses is a waste of the senate's time.
Alexander Statement on Impeachment Witness Vote - Press Releases - United States Senator Lamar Alexander
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense. …The Constitution does not give the Senate the power to remove the president from office and ban him from this year’s ballot simply for actions that are inappropriate.

“The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday. …Our founding documents provide for duly elected presidents who serve with ‘the consent of the governed,’ not at the pleasure of the United States Congress. Let the people decide.” – Senator Lamar Alexander

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

If he gives us another ten months of record low unemployment and more wage increases...then I'm good with that. You keep worrying about whether he'll screw up another weather forecast! (eye roll)

 

[kyzr]

Acquitted. Impeached = indicted. Acquitted = Not Guilty

Not proven guilty.

Come on, one more step, you're almost there.... What do we say in this country? Innocent until ... That's right, proven guilty. So take it from the top. Not proven guilty equals presumed innocence (aka, acquittal). Unless you favor some other standard based on feelz and arbitrary speculation.

Not when the jurors enter the "courtroom" with their minds already made up, in violation of the oaths they take, and then refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence. No acquittal in these circumstances is valid as it results from a "jury" that has openly announced, beforehand, that they are corrupt and have no intention of abiding by the oaths they took. Frankly, these senators perjured themselves.

What impeachment trial are you talking about? Because you're not describing the one that taking place right now, that's for sure. "Refuse to allow the presentation of the evidence"? You mean other than the 2,700 documents that were introduced in evidence and the testimony of 17 witnesses, including full transcripts of all of that testimony and video segments the House Managers felt best made their case? So you when you say "refused to allow presentation of the evidence," you're essentially saying all the evidence introduced which took 21 hours to present didn't amount to squat and wasn't sufficient to support a conviction on the articles of impeachment as charged. So why even pursue this to a Senate trial when they did? The possibility that maybe some new earth shattering revelation might fall in their lap during the trial?

This whole exercise is a perfect illustration of why the impeachment lacked merit from the get go.

This evidence was not introduced in front of the Senate. You are confusing the House investigation with the trial in the Senate. Have the testimony of witnesses and these documents been introduced in front of the Senate? Has Bolton, who was there, testified? NO.

Oh, wait! What's this?
Trump administration reveals it's blocking dozens of emails about Ukraine aid freeze, including President's role - CNNPolitics

DOJ has had these e-mails all the time and hid them??? Bring them forth in front of the Senate and read them so that the public can hear.

What part of Lamar Alexander's statement don't you get? The House managers proved their case. There was no crime nor any impeachable offenses. Read his statement saying that more witnesses is a waste of the senate's time.
Alexander Statement on Impeachment Witness Vote - Press Releases - United States Senator Lamar Alexander
“I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense. …The Constitution does not give the Senate the power to remove the president from office and ban him from this year’s ballot simply for actions that are inappropriate.

“The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday. …Our founding documents provide for duly elected presidents who serve with ‘the consent of the governed,’ not at the pleasure of the United States Congress. Let the people decide.” – Senator Lamar Alexander

So you believe that no sitting president can be impeached while in office, no matter what crimes s/he has committed. It's okay to have a full dictatorship until the next election. So those who impeached Bill Clinton, including Ken Starr, were out of order. I guess that there is no such thing as impeachment under the Constitution then. Criminals cannot be moved except by election. How can a criminal bent on using his power for his own individual enrichment continue to serve by "the consent of the governed" if found to be misbehaving in office?

Now we have to spend the next ten months with a criminal as head of the executive branch, and God only knows what he will do. This is a monkey who even tells us where a hurricane is going to hit. The Senate has failed to protect the American People and our system of government, betrayed their oath, and declared themselves traitors.

All crimes are NOT impeachable.
Then there are Articles of impeachment that aren't even things, not crimes and not impeachable.
Maybe when Barr and Durham start indicting the real criminals you will see the difference.
Trump did nothing impeachable as determined by the "sole power" of the trial, the senate