Mariupol.... Jesus H Christ....just surrender already

[Confederate Soldier]

1The Ukraine should never have been of interest to the US, because almost all of Hitler's death camp guards were Ukrainians volunteers.

So we shouldn't be interested in the well being of an invaded country just because they did some bad stuff nearly 80 years ago?

But we decided to buy the Ukrainian leaders and staged a coup in 2014.

Last I check, Russia invaded Crimea at that time.

Since then, it has been obvious the US strategy is to force Russia into an expensive war.

We have no beef with Russia. We just want to be left alone.

If not for being bribed by the US, I seriously doubt Kyiv would have continued to steal Russian oil, murder ethnic Russians, try to join NATO, violate 1992 treaties with Gorbachev, ask for NATO weapons to use on Russia, etc.

No proof of ethnic cleansing, but there IS proof that Russians heavily use this arguement in pro-invasion propaganda.

These were criminal acts of war.

On the Russian side, yes.

The government in Kyiv has to be imprisoned for their obvious crimes.

What crimes?

And Russia is NOT an invader.

The Z invasion stripes, missiles, bombs, helicopters, and tanks suggest otherwise.

About half the people in the Ukraine are ethnic Russian and want Russian help against the abusive Azov Battalion.

Adolf Hitler said that Poland was killing ethnic Germans. So he went in to "help". Instead he set up death camps. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

 

[Rigby5]

You'll never understand this because cowards are at a loss when they encounter actual courage. Zalensky could never have forced his people to fight so hard. They did so because they didn't want to be slaves to Russia again. Next time you see something happening there you can't understand it's probably bravery. Learn from it rather than shitting on it.

Wrong.
Russia has never been harmful to the Ukraine or anyone.
Khrushchev was secretly a Ukrainian, which is why he illegally gave so much of Russia to the Ukraine in 1955.
The Ukrainians are racist fanatics and have always been.
That is why almost all of Hitler's death camp guards were Ukrainians.
The Ukrainians are the problem, and they have openly been committing mass murder of ethnic Russians since 2014.
It is not Russia who violated the 1992 treaties that created the Ukraine independence.
The Ukraine signed promises they would NEVER try to join NATO or accumulate weapons to use against Russia.
The Ukraine's violations of these treaties makes the Ukraine independence, null and void.

 

[Cougarbear]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-04-27/ukrainian-commander-pleads-for-dunkirk-style-evacuation-as-russia-pummels-mariupol

This is stupid. Surrender with the stipulation that the Red Cross be allowed in to tend to the sick and wounded the Elderly and the children. WTF? Man are these guys insane? Oh and the Dunkirk thing? Yeah right....you think for one moment that if that was tried it wouldn't be just like shooting ducks in a row? Come one what the hell are they thinking with this one?

There are children there for god's sakes.....JUST SURRENDER and tell Zalensky to go F himself...it's not his kids in there now is it?


JO

Says the Russian? "Give me Liberty or give me death."

 

[badger2]

Hookers at $1000 a night in downtown Kiev, drug-trafficcking hub foR Euorpe, a classic case of Western debauch. Ukros took the shiny bait and now they pay.

 

[justoffal]

Says the Russian? "Give me Liberty or give me death."

You speaking for all the women and children too brave man?

 

[Cougarbear]

You speaking for all the women and children too brave man?

Yes sir! Better dead than red. Stay in your woke bunker when the Russians and Chinese come for you. I'll fight for your liberty and freedom. Chicken.

 

[justoffal]

Hookers at $1000 a night in downtown Kiev, drug-trafficcking hub foR Euorpe, a classic case of Western debauch. Ukros took the shiny bait and now they pay.

I didn't know you were a Ukrainian expert.


We will see in the end, but you evaded my question. Would you submit to an invader?

I'm certainly no expert. No one has a crystal ball to know what's going to happen after a surrender. But I do think that letting the international Red Cross in to escort the women and children out would work.

No I would not submit... However I wouldn't expect my children or my wife to fight those battles for me.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

I'm certainly no expert. No one has a crystal ball to know what's going to happen after a surrender. But I do think that letting the international Red Cross in to escort the women and children out would work.

No I would not submit... However I wouldn't expect my children or my wife to fight those battles for me.

The Russians were supposed to leave humanitarian corridors open. They didn't I don't expect a Russkie to keep his word.

 

[Rigby5]

So we shouldn't be interested in the well being of an invaded country just because they did some bad stuff nearly 80 years ago?



Last I check, Russia invaded Crimea at that time.




We have no beef with Russia. We just want to be left alone.




No proof of ethnic cleansing, but there IS proof that Russians heavily use this arguement in pro-invasion propaganda.




On the Russian side, yes.




What crimes?




The Z invasion stripes, missiles, bombs, helicopters, and tanks suggest otherwise.





Adolf Hitler said that Poland was killing ethnic Germans. So he went in to "help". Instead he set up death camps. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

Wrong.
First of all, the Ukraine was fascist and racist fanatics 50 years ago and nothing has changed. They still are.
They deliberated wanted to murder Jews and Russians back then, and still do.
The Ukraine does not change like the US does.

Second is that no one "invaded" the Ukraine. The Ukraine is about half ethnic Russian, and they asked for Russian help when the Kyiv government directed the Azov Battalion to start murdering ethnic Russians.

In 2014 was when the legal government of the Ukraine was over turned by a military coup, by the Azov Battalion, bribed by the US.
Russia did not "invade" the Crimea, but liberated the 93% ethnic Russian in the Crimea from murder by the Azov Battalion.

We have ALWAYS gone out of our way to harm Russia in any way we can.
Like when we gave Stinger missiles to the Taliban, in order to shoot down Russian helicopters.

The war crimes by Kyiv are well documented.
Kyiv violated treaties, stole over $20 billion worth of oil from Russian pipelines, murdered over 14, ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, illegally tried to join NATO when the 1992 treaties strictly forbid that, the Ukraine illegally accumulated NATO weapons to use against Russia, etc.

There are ZERO incidents of Russian war crimes.
For example, the corpses in Bucha were killed the day AFTER the Russians had already left.
Obviously they were Ukrainians murdered by the Azov Battalion because they had a Russian accent or something like that.

Poland WAS murdering ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland, and Poland should never have been created illegally by the Treaty of Versailles. The history of Polish atrocities against Germans and Slavs, is well known. The Ukrainians actually are the same racist Polish ancestry.
The must never be allowed to gain political power over other ethnic groups, or else they commit mass murder.

 

[Rigby5]

I'm certainly no expert. No one has a crystal ball to know what's going to happen after a surrender. But I do think that letting the international Red Cross in to escort the women and children out would work.

No I would not submit... However I wouldn't expect my children or my wife to fight those battles for me.

But the Ukrainians are so unethical that they deliberately put women and children at risk, to further their propaganda claims.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Wrong.
First of all, the Ukraine was fascist and racist fanatics 50 years ago and nothing has changed. They still are.
They deliberated wanted to murder Jews and Russians back then, and still do.
The Ukraine does not change like the US does.

Second is that no one "invaded" the Ukraine. The Ukraine is about half ethnic Russian, and they asked for Russian help when the Kyiv government directed the Azov Battalion to start murdering ethnic Russians.

In 2014 was when the legal government of the Ukraine was over turned by a military coup, by the Azov Battalion, bribed by the US.
Russia did not "invade" the Crimea, but liberated the 93% ethnic Russian in the Crimea from murder by the Azov Battalion.

We have ALWAYS gone out of our way to harm Russia in any way we can.
Like when we gave Stinger missiles to the Taliban, in order to shoot down Russian helicopters.

The war crimes by Kyiv are well documented.
Kyiv violated treaties, stole over $20 billion worth of oil from Russian pipelines, murdered over 14, ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, illegally tried to join NATO when the 1992 treaties strictly forbid that, the Ukraine illegally accumulated NATO weapons to use against Russia, etc.

There are ZERO incidents of Russian war crimes.
For example, the corpses in Bucha were killed the day AFTER the Russians had already left.
Obviously they were Ukrainians murdered by the Azov Battalion because they had a Russian accent or something like that.

Poland WAS murdering ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland, and Poland should never have been created illegally by the Treaty of Versailles. The history of Polish atrocities against Germans and Slavs, is well known. The Ukrainians actually are the same racist Polish ancestry.
The must never be allowed to gain political power over other ethnic groups, or else they commit mass murder.

Okay, I'm going to put you on the ignore list, because while you vilify nazis in one, post, you claim their invasion of Poland was justified. You sir, are crazy.

 

[Rigby5]

The Russians were supposed to leave humanitarian corridors open. They didn't I don't expect a Russkie to keep his word.

Wrong.
The Russians many times tried to get Ukrainians to evacuate, and it was always the Ukrainians who refused.
Russians are exposed to many different cultures in Russia.
So they can not be racist.
The Ukrainians get no exposure, allow none, and are incredibly racist.
There is no culture more racist than Ukrainians.
Why else did they volunteer to run Hitler's death camps and enjoyed murdering Russian and Polish Jews?

 

[occupied]

Wrong.
Russia has never been harmful to the Ukraine or anyone.
Khrushchev was secretly a Ukrainian, which is why he illegally gave so much of Russia to the Ukraine in 1955.
The Ukrainians are racist fanatics and have always been.
That is why almost all of Hitler's death camp guards were Ukrainians.
The Ukrainians are the problem, and they have openly been committing mass murder of ethnic Russians since 2014.
It is not Russia who violated the 1992 treaties that created the Ukraine independence.
The Ukraine signed promises they would NEVER try to join NATO or accumulate weapons to use against Russia.
The Ukraine's violations of these treaties makes the Ukraine independence, null and void.

Yeah I know the Kremlin justifications. That bullshit is for Russian citizens and the useful idiots here in America. The rest of the world knows them for what they are. If Russia wins anything from this war it will not be worth the cost. The civilized world will see to it.

 

[Rigby5]

Okay, I'm going to put you on the ignore list, because while you vilify nazis in one, post, you claim their invasion of Poland was justified. You sir, are crazy.

You are ignorant.
Poland did not exist until the Treaty of Versailles.
It is an invalid country that no one liked or wanted resurrected due to their racist history.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah I know the Kremlin justifications. That bullshit is for Russian citizens and the useful idiots here in America. The rest of the world knows them for what they are. If Russia wins anything from this war it will not be worth the cost. The civilized world will see to it.

That is ignorant because the Ukraine has nothing Russia wants and Russia is not going to get a thing out of this.
They just have no choice, because they can not allow the Ukaine to continue stealing oil, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's borders, etc.

 

[occupied]

That is ignorant because the Ukraine has nothing Russia wants and Russia is not going to get a thing out of this.
They just have no choice, because they can not allow the Ukaine to continue stealing oil, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's borders, etc.

Fuck off I said. Putin is not the first empire builder to underestimate the free world. We may be fucked up in a lot of ways but most of us still hate a worthless bully.

 

[justoffal]

Fuck off I said. Putin is not the first empire builder to underestimate the free world. We may be fucked up in a lot of ways but most of us still hate a worthless bully.

Where were you for the 10 years of genocide in Donbas and Luhansk in that case? Also do you really think that the West had any interest in liberating Ukraine? If they did it would have been over 7 weeks ago. This war is nothing but a massive money laundering operation for the pick pockets in our Federal legislative body...fueled by the corpses of Ukrainian citizens. The useful idiots here are the ones who think this is a fight for freedom.
Now that's a real laugh.

 

[occupied]

Where were you for the 10 years of genocide in Donbas and Luhansk in that case? Also do you really think that the West had any interest in liberating Ukraine? If they did it would have been over 7 weeks ago. This war is nothing but a massive money laundering operation for the pick pockets in our Federal legislative body...fueled by the corpses of Ukrainian citizens. The useful idiots here are the ones who think this is a fight for freedom.
Now that's a real laugh.

I was right here in America not giving a fuck about any Russian piece of shit anywhere.

 

[Chillicothe]

"They can let out the women and children with a Red Cross escort.... The Russians wouldn't dare touch them."

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Am not so sure.
Reportage has shown us that the Russians have broken several agreements to provide a safe corridor for evacuation.
So, I think there are some considerations that need be, well, considered.
Russians don't exactly seem the paragon of trustworthiness. It seems.
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"Russian forces have broken a ceasefire agreement and shelled an evacuation route for civilians trapped in the besieged city of Mariupol, Ukraine claims.
Foreign ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said the Russian military was bombing the humanitarian corridor to nearby Zaporizhzhia."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-mariupol-ceasefire-war-b2031

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[Rigby5]

Sorry but I'm not ready to blame the victim for the deeds of the criminal.

The criminal is Kyiv for deliberate acts of war, like stealing $20 billion of Russian oil, murdering 14k ethnic Russian civilians, trying to put NATO nukes on Russian's border, treaty violations, etc.