Maybe Socialism isn't all bad

[RandomPoster]

Here's another way to look at it.

 

[JGalt]

Good point.

 

[MarathonMike]

When you look like you have an ass in the front, it's time to put down the coke bottle.

 

[JGalt]

When you look like you have an ass in the front, it's time to put down the coke bottle.

She's either smuggling illegals in there, or that's her camel hump.

 

[RandomPoster]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

 

[Rigby5]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

 

[TNHarley]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

 

[RandomPoster]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

So the problem is that Venezuela doesn't have enough socialism? Let me guess, it wasn't "real socialism" that they got.

"If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer."

If you have a JOB, you get health INSURANCE through your employer and it is not free. Employers do not provide "free health care". The only organization providing free health care is the government and the only people that get that are people without jobs.

"It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine."

You could not have gotten that more backwards. It is only the poor in the US who get socialized medicine because they're the only ones that need it. Why would wealthy people need socialized medicine?

 

[Rigby5]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

 

[RandomPoster]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

My health insurance premiums are deducted from my pay check. My employer also makes a contribution. The only poor people that are not offered employer health plans are people who do not have an employer to offer them one. In other words, people without a job who do not pay taxes do not have employer health plans and instead get free health care from the government. Are you saying that employers only offer their health insurance plans to highly paid employees? What you are saying makes no sense.

 

[Rigby5]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

My health insurance premiums are deducted from my pay check. My employer also makes a contribution. The only poor people that are not offered employer health plans are people who do not have an employer to offer them one. In other words, people without a job who do not pay taxes do not have employer health plans and instead get free health care from the government. Are you saying that employers only offer their health insurance plans to highly paid employees? What you are saying makes no sense.

Less than 20% of your employer provided health insurance is deducted from your paycheck.
The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.
About HALF the population is NOT offered employer based health benefits.
YES, what I am saying is that employers ONLY offer health benefits to their highly paid employees.
For example, at fast food restaurants ONLY the managers get employer health benefits.
NONE of the other employees get any benefits at all.
Why is it you seem to not know anything about low paying jobs?
Didn't you at least have to work these jobs to get through college?
And even after college, whenever I work on contract, I get no benefits at all.
That is not just no health insurance, but no sick days, overtime, paid holidays, etc.

 

[RandomPoster]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Perhaps open borders aren't bad either. The gal on the left wants socialism and the gal on the right wants capitalism.

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

My health insurance premiums are deducted from my pay check. My employer also makes a contribution. The only poor people that are not offered employer health plans are people who do not have an employer to offer them one. In other words, people without a job who do not pay taxes do not have employer health plans and instead get free health care from the government. Are you saying that employers only offer their health insurance plans to highly paid employees? What you are saying makes no sense.

Less than 20% of your employer provided health insurance is deducted from your paycheck.
The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.
About HALF the population is NOT offered employer based health benefits.
YES, what I am saying is that employers ONLY offer health benefits to their highly paid employees.
For example, at fast food restaurants ONLY the managers get employer health benefits.
NONE of the other employees get any benefits at all.
Why is it you seem to not know anything about low paying jobs?
Didn't you at least have to work these jobs to get through college?
And even after college, whenever I work on contract, I get no benefits at all.
That is not just no health insurance, but no sick days, overtime, paid holidays, etc.

The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.

Sounds interesting. How does my employer health insurance expenditure "come from other taxpayers"?
Be specific.

 

[Rigby5]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

Getting rid of the tax exemption would be acceptable to me because then it would go back to the way it was in the 1950s before the tax exemption, and almost no one would have health insurance. Instead people would finance health care costs after they were incurred, and that would give them control over cost and quality.

When you get tax exempt benefits, that does not mean the government is pitching in more money, but it does mean you are paying less tax than you should, and that means all other tax payers are pitching in more than they should to cover your unfair advantage.

And I have never heard of a minimum wage job coming with benefits like health care? Out of my realm of experience I suppose. But even high paying jobs did not used to come with health care necessarily.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.

The Venezuelans voted in Chavez because they wanted socialism.
The rioters in Venezuela do not want capitalism.
They are protesting because they never got the socialism they were promised.

In the US, people are fat because they have so much MORE socialism.
The wealthy are subsidized by colonialism and imperialism, so do not have to work hard and get all the food choices they want.
If you are wealthy in the US, you get free health care through the employer.
It is only the poor in the US who do not get socialized medicine.

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

My health insurance premiums are deducted from my pay check. My employer also makes a contribution. The only poor people that are not offered employer health plans are people who do not have an employer to offer them one. In other words, people without a job who do not pay taxes do not have employer health plans and instead get free health care from the government. Are you saying that employers only offer their health insurance plans to highly paid employees? What you are saying makes no sense.

Less than 20% of your employer provided health insurance is deducted from your paycheck.
The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.
About HALF the population is NOT offered employer based health benefits.
YES, what I am saying is that employers ONLY offer health benefits to their highly paid employees.
For example, at fast food restaurants ONLY the managers get employer health benefits.
NONE of the other employees get any benefits at all.
Why is it you seem to not know anything about low paying jobs?
Didn't you at least have to work these jobs to get through college?
And even after college, whenever I work on contract, I get no benefits at all.
That is not just no health insurance, but no sick days, overtime, paid holidays, etc.

The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.

Sounds interesting. How does my employer health insurance expenditure "come from other taxpayers"?
Be specific.

When one person gets tax exempt benefits, that is unfair, and then other tax payers have to pay more to make up for what you got as an undeserved exemption.
If the other tax payer who have to make up you lack of payment do not get health care benefits, then the poor and abused are essentially subsidizing the wealth and privileged. And the average is something like 40% of the population does not get health care benefits.

What is worst of all, is that those who do get health care benefits and do not care what actual health providers charge, then are guilty of letting the insurance companies and providers run a scam to inflate prices, thus making health care unaffordable to anyone who does not have insurance. It essentially is an extortion racket insurance companies run. And the victims are the poor.

 

[RandomPoster]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

Getting rid of the tax exemption would be acceptable to me because then it would go back to the way it was in the 1950s before the tax exemption, and almost no one would have health insurance. Instead people would finance health care costs after they were incurred, and that would give them control over cost and quality.

When you get tax exempt benefits, that does not mean the government is pitching in more money, but it does mean you are paying less tax than you should, and that means all other tax payers are pitching in more than they should to cover your unfair advantage.

And I have never heard of a minimum wage job coming with benefits like health care? Out of my realm of experience I suppose. But even high paying jobs did not used to come with health care necessarily.

I mean saying get rid of employer health plans and privatize it all.

 

[Rigby5]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

Getting rid of the tax exemption would be acceptable to me because then it would go back to the way it was in the 1950s before the tax exemption, and almost no one would have health insurance. Instead people would finance health care costs after they were incurred, and that would give them control over cost and quality.

When you get tax exempt benefits, that does not mean the government is pitching in more money, but it does mean you are paying less tax than you should, and that means all other tax payers are pitching in more than they should to cover your unfair advantage.

And I have never heard of a minimum wage job coming with benefits like health care? Out of my realm of experience I suppose. But even high paying jobs did not used to come with health care necessarily.

I mean saying get rid of employer health plans and privatize it all.

Repealing the employer benefit tax exemption is how you do that.
The biggest advantage is that then you would not be afraid to quit due to concerns over losing your health care benefits.
But once the employer is not paying for your health insurance, likely health insurance will go away.
It is a total rip off and extortion.
The only reason it is accepted now is because you don't pay for it.
It you had to pay for it, you would pass.
For example, I have already calculated I paid more then half a million in health insurance, and not once gone above the annual deductible. So not a cent back.

 

[RandomPoster]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

Getting rid of the tax exemption would be acceptable to me because then it would go back to the way it was in the 1950s before the tax exemption, and almost no one would have health insurance. Instead people would finance health care costs after they were incurred, and that would give them control over cost and quality.

When you get tax exempt benefits, that does not mean the government is pitching in more money, but it does mean you are paying less tax than you should, and that means all other tax payers are pitching in more than they should to cover your unfair advantage.

And I have never heard of a minimum wage job coming with benefits like health care? Out of my realm of experience I suppose. But even high paying jobs did not used to come with health care necessarily.

I mean saying get rid of employer health plans and privatize it all.

Repealing the employer benefit tax exemption is how you do that.
The biggest advantage is that then you would not be afraid to quit due to concerns over losing your health care benefits.
But once the employer is not paying for your health insurance, likely health insurance will go away.
It is a total rip off and extortion.
The only reason it is accepted now is because you don't pay for it.
It you had to pay for it, you would pass.
For example, I have already calculated I paid more then half a million in health insurance, and not once gone above the annual deductible. So not a cent back.

Health insurance should not be tied to your employer. It is insurance. I do not get my car insurance through my employer. I provide my employer with a day's work and he provides me with a day's pay. Unionization and forcing your employer to provide health care is socialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Employer helathcare isnt socialized medicine.
What kinda crap do the pinkos got you chugging, bro?

Sure employer health care is socialism.
Do you pay for it?
No.
Who does?
The people who have to pay more in taxes because of your employer tax break for health insurance.
Which is the poor people who do not get employer health benefits.

My health insurance premiums are deducted from my pay check. My employer also makes a contribution. The only poor people that are not offered employer health plans are people who do not have an employer to offer them one. In other words, people without a job who do not pay taxes do not have employer health plans and instead get free health care from the government. Are you saying that employers only offer their health insurance plans to highly paid employees? What you are saying makes no sense.

Less than 20% of your employer provided health insurance is deducted from your paycheck.
The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.
About HALF the population is NOT offered employer based health benefits.
YES, what I am saying is that employers ONLY offer health benefits to their highly paid employees.
For example, at fast food restaurants ONLY the managers get employer health benefits.
NONE of the other employees get any benefits at all.
Why is it you seem to not know anything about low paying jobs?
Didn't you at least have to work these jobs to get through college?
And even after college, whenever I work on contract, I get no benefits at all.
That is not just no health insurance, but no sick days, overtime, paid holidays, etc.

The employer contributes the rest, but ALL of it is tax exempt, so about 25% of it is coming from other tax payers actually.

Sounds interesting. How does my employer health insurance expenditure "come from other taxpayers"?
Be specific.

When one person gets tax exempt benefits, that is unfair, and then other tax payers have to pay more to make up for what you got as an undeserved exemption.
If the other tax payer who have to make up you lack of payment do not get health care benefits, then the poor and abused are essentially subsidizing the wealth and privileged. And the average is something like 40% of the population does not get health care benefits.

What is worst of all, is that those who do get health care benefits and do not care what actual health providers charge, then are guilty of letting the insurance companies and providers run a scam to inflate prices, thus making health care unaffordable to anyone who does not have insurance. It essentially is an extortion racket insurance companies run. And the victims are the poor.

When one person gets tax exempt benefits, that is unfair, and then other tax payers have to pay more to make up for what you got as an undeserved exemption.

How much more did you pay because I have employer health insurance.
Be specific. Show your math.

 

[Rigby5]

I did have to work low paying jobs, starting at minimum wage, and always had health insurance offered if I was working full time. I have worked as a contractor with no health insurance, except that was a decision I made. Saying the deduction is tax exempt simply means it's not taxed. It doesn't mean the government is pitching more money on top of it.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of employer health plans and privatizing the whole thing. I have actually made a post suggesting it on this forum.

Getting rid of the tax exemption would be acceptable to me because then it would go back to the way it was in the 1950s before the tax exemption, and almost no one would have health insurance. Instead people would finance health care costs after they were incurred, and that would give them control over cost and quality.

When you get tax exempt benefits, that does not mean the government is pitching in more money, but it does mean you are paying less tax than you should, and that means all other tax payers are pitching in more than they should to cover your unfair advantage.

And I have never heard of a minimum wage job coming with benefits like health care? Out of my realm of experience I suppose. But even high paying jobs did not used to come with health care necessarily.

I mean saying get rid of employer health plans and privatize it all.

Repealing the employer benefit tax exemption is how you do that.
The biggest advantage is that then you would not be afraid to quit due to concerns over losing your health care benefits.
But once the employer is not paying for your health insurance, likely health insurance will go away.
It is a total rip off and extortion.
The only reason it is accepted now is because you don't pay for it.
It you had to pay for it, you would pass.
For example, I have already calculated I paid more then half a million in health insurance, and not once gone above the annual deductible. So not a cent back.

Health insurance should not be tied to your employer. It is insurance. I do not get my car insurance through my employer. I provide my employer with a day's work and he provides me with a day's pay. Unionization and forcing your employer to provide health care is socialism.

Of course health care should not be tied to your employer.
But is also should not be tied to an insurance company that is skimming profit, manipulating costs, and making your health care much more expensive than it should be.
If you want to prepay, (and I think prepaying anything is a terrible idea), then you should join an HMO that is run by the health care providers, not an insurance company that adds nothing and just skims and extorts.

Risk pooling is EXACTLY what we create governments for. That is what we do when we create police, fire departments, dept of defense, etc. There is no reason to give anyone profits over our risk management.
For profit insurance is always a terrible thing, not only because it wastes money, but because insurance companies want high prices and don't care about quality. It turns what should be a 2 party transaction into a 3 party transaction that can't work.

But I agree the employer add another layer and makes it into a 4 party transaction, which is even worse.

However, it is wrong to blame unions for employer health care benefits. That was though up by the industries, and pushed through the IRS. The unions were only trying to adapt.