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I think it would be good for our nation if we did whatever we can think of to get more capable young people educated. And I don't just mean normal college. Trade schools too. We need educated and professional Americans that will be able to compete with China.Yeah, I do. I’m a realist. We can provide free education to poor people so they won’t be dependent on other people’s money their entire life, but some people are either unmotivated or just dumb. Thus, we have to provide a bare-bones existence for them to keep them from living on the streets.
As I said in my OP, “livable” is subjective. It is “living” to rent a room in someone’s house, have a little fridge and microwave in there, and make do.The minimum wage is not a living wage, nor should it be. Rather, it was meant to be a "learning wage"and a wage for students in the summer months. Somehow, it has morphed into a "living wage" issue, and it is hardly that.
You ascribe all sorts of wonderful traits to poor people who find themselves in their situation - along with excuses. Never their own fault, eh.
Well, when I worked a couple of summers in a financial aid office at the local CC, kids who qualified for Pell didn’t want to complete the forms!
Jeez, do I have to go over the same stuff all the time? That‘s almost $1000 a month if you have three kids, and that’s about what wives working part-time to supplement the family income earn. Now the leftists are just handing them that money, so many have quit.$300 per month per kid doesn't equate to all that much. If that exceeds job pay we have a big time wage issue
You really are not informed. I’m not talking about the UE benefits. I’m talking about the new government child support checks. They used to go to people who owed taxes, but now they go to EVERYONE. Plus, they raised it.
So the wife working part-time for $300 a week to supplement the family income now finds that she is getting $300 per month, per child, from taxpayers, and quits her job. Now multiply that by 10 million, and you have a problem.
Companies don't use government programs--workers do.
This is not a new concept of any kind. When I was young yes, people had low paying jobs. But because there was little in the way of welfare back then, when people couldn't make ends meet, they worked a lot of overtime or got a second job. There were several times in my life I had two jobs, and at one point three. You did whatever it took to keep the lights on and a roof over your head.
Government took that drive out of people with their stupid social programs that pay people who could otherwise make it on their own. In many cases they discourage people from working harder because making more money reduces their government goodies. I've seen it repeatedly.
I think it would be good for our nation if we did whatever we can think of to get more capable young people educated. And I don't just mean normal college. Trade schools too. We need educated and professional Americans that will be able to compete with China.
You effectively say that nothing is ever their fault because you excuse them for everything.What traits have I ascribed to poor people? Please list them. Also, show me where I ever said nothing was their own fault.
Of course you did, was this before or after your trips to Europe?
Not everyone can get a Pell Grant, and a Pell grant will not pay for all of school.
Things are not as neat and simple as you make them out to be. There are many more things involved but in your little pollyannaish world none of those things exist. You seem to have no grasp of reality.
It is nice how you assume every poor person is also a drunk or an alcoholic. Or that everyone knows someone else in a different town they can just go stay with for a few months.
We need to push trade schools while they are still in High School, but instead most counselors push everyone to a 4 year college so they get a better rating.
Also, many trade schools have gotten more expensive than actual college. Our son recently went to Lineman school to learn how to be an Electrical lineman. It was expensive as hell and would have been near impossible for anyone to do without taking on a lot of debt if they did not have parents or someone with the means to help them. There were no "poor kids" at his school.
You effectively say that nothing is ever their fault because you excuse them for everything.
She defended the existence of social safety nets for people that can't succeed. That's pretty significant I think.No, I am not effectively saying that at all, I am pointing out that things are not a neat and simple as you pretend/think they are.
You are correct. The leftists keep bringing up how the excess UE has stopped, and are clueless about the government child support - which is what it is. The leftists hide it under the name “child tax credit,” but it’s welfare, plain and simple.I have been talking about this for months. The MSM hides this information as did the Biden Administration. They kept the name Child Tax Credit because it has been in place for quite some time and it doeesn’t raise any eyebrows. They figured they could slip in the little tidbit of a change that makes it fully refundable, meaning people that do not pay ANY federal income taxes get the “credit”. That is no longer a credit, it is a handout for those that pay less taxes than the credit.
I would be willing to bet that 75% of the leftists on this board weren’t aware of this change and that means that 95% of the average votes is in the dark.
I never said they were ”neat.” It’s just that their being difficult is no reason to excuse them and hand out more money.No, I am not effectively saying that at all, I am pointing out that things are not a neat and simple as you pretend/think they are.
$300 per month per kid doesn't equate to all that much. If that exceeds job pay we have a big time wage issue
Maybe , if you didn't want to borrow the money he could have picked a different trade?
Professions like custodian or shoe repair are needed and cost a lot less.
The beauty of Pell Grants is that they can be used for other educational opportunities besides college. You can enroll in a six-month vocational program - maybe some basic computer skills - and the taxpayers would cover it. Why not lean Powerpoint and Exel (or whatever the youngins’ use nowadays) and get an office job paying $20 an hour instead of stocking shelves at Walmart for $12?You're right, not everyone can get a pell grant. But not everyone should be attending a university to begin with, either.
How many capable Americans are denied the ability to borrow money to go to school if they are actually able and motivated to, is the question.
Jeez, do I have to go over the same stuff all the time? That‘s almost $1000 a month if you have three kids, and that’s about what wives working part-time to supplement the family income earn. Now the leftists are just handing them that money, so many have quit.
Yup. A welfare mother with three kids is getting subsidized housing, free medical, food stamps, free breakfasts and lunches for her kids, and now almost $1000 cash* on top of that! She is living as well, and probably has more disposable income, than a woman without children, who took some classes to learn basic computer skills, and now earns $40,000 in an office.What incentive to work does a family with 3 kids who get a tax free $900/mth in addition to SNAP, welfare, soon to be free pre-school, free school lunches and free housing? Keep in mind, most of these folks aren’t qualified for top salaries, so they choose to stay home and do nothing vs working for a very negligible gain. If they were smart, the would utilize their free time to learn a skill, but the freebies limit their motivation to do much of anything. The Democrat’s solution is to give them even more freebees or to expect businesses to pick up the tab by overpaying for menial work.
