More than 900 people have been fatally shot by police officers in 2015

[Skylar]

You know your statistics can be shot down by the crime in those areas.

There ya go! Except you forgot to shoot them down. I'm sure you just forgot to, right?

yeah, you stay in that 10 mile radius of chi town and you'll find that the stats are really high. and if you took the numbers by race, they are double to triple other races. but hey, you go piss along

Hey! Are you purposefully forgetting to shoot down those stats after claiming you can?

where'd I say I'd do that. you pissing all over yourself again? yeppers.

You said : You know your statistics can be shot down by the crime in those areas.

So are you saying you cant now? Or do I have to ask you a certain number of times before you do?

in 2012 there were 13% Black men, here is the information from the FBI, you know the place that can't get any stats on states cops records?

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

When relying on only the voluntary reports from local law enforcement, the FBI gets a number LESS THAN HALF what the Post was able to confirm.

Which is the point. The FBI doesn't have reliable numbers. Says who? The FBI.

Reporting shouldn't be voluntary. And it should be reliable and accurate. At the moment, is neither:

That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.

“What’s there is crappy data,” said David A. Klinger, a former police officer and criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri who studies police use of force.

How many police shootings a year? No one knows

We need way, way better than the 'crappy data' we get from Law Enforcement's voluntary reporting.

 

[jc456]

So since JC has devolved into his typical senile declarations that everyone is a 'liar', lets let him get back to his pudding cup and discuss the topic:

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

But when the FBI relies on voluntary reporting from local law enforcement, they get a number less than HALF what the Post has confirmed. With the FBI acknowledging the comparative accuracy of the Posts analysis. Even using it as the basis of a new database on the topic.

Its outrageous that this reporting be voluntary. Local Law Enforcement should be required to report every police shooting to the FBI so that we can get accurate information on how many people the police have shot.

hey you fk, did you delete that post yet? I want it deleted or you will continue to be a liar. delete it.

 

[jc456]

yeah, you stay in that 10 mile radius of chi town and you'll find that the stats are really high. and if you took the numbers by race, they are double to triple other races. but hey, you go piss along

Hey! Are you purposefully forgetting to shoot down those stats after claiming you can?

where'd I say I'd do that. you pissing all over yourself again? yeppers.

You said : You know your statistics can be shot down by the crime in those areas.

So are you saying you cant now? Or do I have to ask you a certain number of times before you do?

in 2012 there were 13% Black men, here is the information from the FBI, you know the place that can't get any stats on states cops records?

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

When relying on only the voluntary reports from local law enforcement, the FBI gets a number LESS THAN HALF what the Post was able to confirm.

Which is the point. The FBI doesn't have reliable numbers. Says who? The FBI.

Reporting shouldn't be voluntary. And it should be reliable and accurate. At the moment, is neither:

That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.

“What’s there is crappy data,” said David A. Klinger, a former police officer and criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri who studies police use of force.

How many police shootings a year? No one knows

We need way, way better than the 'crappy data' we get from Law Enforcement's voluntary reporting.

sounds like the FBI has issues collecting data. Perhaps they should hire contractors to do it.

 

[jc456]

yeah, you stay in that 10 mile radius of chi town and you'll find that the stats are really high. and if you took the numbers by race, they are double to triple other races. but hey, you go piss along

Hey! Are you purposefully forgetting to shoot down those stats after claiming you can?

where'd I say I'd do that. you pissing all over yourself again? yeppers.

You said : You know your statistics can be shot down by the crime in those areas.

So are you saying you cant now? Or do I have to ask you a certain number of times before you do?

in 2012 there were 13% Black men, here is the information from the FBI, you know the place that can't get any stats on states cops records?

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

When relying on only the voluntary reports from local law enforcement, the FBI gets a number LESS THAN HALF what the Post was able to confirm.

Which is the point. The FBI doesn't have reliable numbers. Says who? The FBI.

Reporting shouldn't be voluntary. And it should be reliable and accurate. At the moment, is neither:

That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.

“What’s there is crappy data,” said David A. Klinger, a former police officer and criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri who studies police use of force.

How many police shootings a year? No one knows

We need way, way better than the 'crappy data' we get from Law Enforcement's voluntary reporting.

BTW who are you that you just get to say that things should be voluntary? who the fk are you?

Why don't you limit your rage to the constitution you fk.

 

[bucs90]

My gawd.....that was so hard.

Took me an entire 5 minutes to find data on all the police shootings in the 2 states I've spent most of my life in (SC and GA).

I had to search long and hard and dig through piles of....well.....I ate a peanut butter & jelly sandwich while I went to GBI and SLED websites....the State Police agencies of those states.

Those evil tricky city and county cops!!!! Hiding all their shooting info DEEP inside the...um....websites of their state police.

Says meaningless gibberish. SHOW us with evidence that local law enforcement gives accurate and reliable numbers to the FBI on police shootings.

The FBI director acknowledges that they don't have reliable data on the topic.

With less than 3% of local law enforcement voluntarily reporting these stats to the FBI, its understandable why we don't have it. The reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

They dont have to give it to the FBI....they HAVE to give it to their state police.

A 10 minute Google search and I found info on all police shootings in:
SC from SLED state police
GA from GBI state police
NC from SBI and state attorney generals office

It's right there in plain sight through the 50 state police agencies.

REMEMBER.....much to the disappointment of liberals....we do NOT HAVE a national police force. 50 states. States rights.

There's nothing stopping the Feds from showing up with a subpoena or state level FOIA and getting all this from each state.....they did it in Ferguson.

If they don't have it....it's their own fault.

 

[Skylar]

So since JC has devolved into his typical senile declarations that everyone is a 'liar', lets let him get back to his pudding cup and discuss the topic:

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

But when the FBI relies on voluntary reporting from local law enforcement, they get a number less than HALF what the Post has confirmed. With the FBI acknowledging the comparative accuracy of the Posts analysis. Even using it as the basis of a new database on the topic.

Its outrageous that this reporting be voluntary. Local Law Enforcement should be required to report every police shooting to the FBI so that we can get accurate information on how many people the police have shot.

hey you fk, did you delete that post yet? I want it deleted or you will continue to be a liar. delete it.

You can't even quote the lie, JC. Let alone demonstrate it. You're running scared, doing your senile 'everyone's a liar!' schtick......while failing utterly to refute or even address the facts posted in my post.

If your argument had merit, you wouldn't have to run.

Oh and JC? If you want my post deleted.....then go ahead and delete it. And if you can't, well too fucking bad.

Get used to the idea, fk.

 

[Skylar]

My gawd.....that was so hard.

Took me an entire 5 minutes to find data on all the police shootings in the 2 states I've spent most of my life in (SC and GA).

I had to search long and hard and dig through piles of....well.....I ate a peanut butter & jelly sandwich while I went to GBI and SLED websites....the State Police agencies of those states.

Those evil tricky city and county cops!!!! Hiding all their shooting info DEEP inside the...um....websites of their state police.

Says meaningless gibberish. SHOW us with evidence that local law enforcement gives accurate and reliable numbers to the FBI on police shootings.

The FBI director acknowledges that they don't have reliable data on the topic.

With less than 3% of local law enforcement voluntarily reporting these stats to the FBI, its understandable why we don't have it. The reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

They dont have to give it to the FBI....they HAVE to give it to their state police.

A 10 minute Google search and I found info on all police shootings in:
SC from SLED state police
GA from GBI state police
NC from SBI and state attorney generals office

It's right there in plain sight through the 50 state police agencies.

REMEMBER.....much to the disappointment of liberals....we do NOT HAVE a national police force. 50 states. States rights.

There's nothing stopping the Feds from showing up with a subpoena or state level FOIA and getting all this from each state.....they did it in Ferguson.

If they don't have it....it's their own fault.

Says meaningless gibberish. Show us that local law enforcement agencies are reliably and accurately reporting their police shootings to the FBI.

Not you babbling about the topic. The actual evidence.

Show us, don't tell us.

 

[bucs90]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

 

[Skylar]

BTW who are you that you just get to say that things should be voluntary?

You poor, confused senile old fart. Here's my position from the very post you just cited:

Reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

Get your nurse to do your reading for you. As you're clearly not up to the task.

For the 20th time, reporting SHOULDN'T be voluntary. It should be mandatory We should have accurate, reliable information on how many people police kill ever year. Every single person, every single year.

Reporting should be accurate, reliable, and mandatory. As it stands, less than 3% of law enforcement agencies voluntary report their information on police shootings to the FBI.

 

[ClosedCaption]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

But its not cross referenced with anything... the Post did that at least.

 

[jc456]

So since JC has devolved into his typical senile declarations that everyone is a 'liar', lets let him get back to his pudding cup and discuss the topic:

Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

Fatal police shootings in 2015 approaching 400 nationwide

But when the FBI relies on voluntary reporting from local law enforcement, they get a number less than HALF what the Post has confirmed. With the FBI acknowledging the comparative accuracy of the Posts analysis. Even using it as the basis of a new database on the topic.

Its outrageous that this reporting be voluntary. Local Law Enforcement should be required to report every police shooting to the FBI so that we can get accurate information on how many people the police have shot.

hey you fk, did you delete that post yet? I want it deleted or you will continue to be a liar. delete it.

You can't even quote the lie, JC. Let alone demonstrate it. You're running scared, doing your senile 'everyone's a liar!' schtick......while failing utterly to refute or even address the facts posted in my post.

If your argument had merit, you wouldn't have to run.

Oh and JC? If you want my post deleted.....then go ahead and delete it. And if you can't, well too fucking bad.

Get used to the idea, fk.

it's ok you're just a LIAR, you mis quote and make shit up on the forum. I know this isn't Zone 2, but you aren't classy enough to delete what you know you lied about. now you're a liar and have no class.

 

[jc456]

BTW who are you that you just get to say that things should be voluntary?

You poor, confused senile old fart. Here's my position from the very post you just cited:

Reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

Get your nurse to do your reading for you. As you're clearly not up to the task.

For the 20th time, reporting SHOULDN'T be voluntary. It should be mandatory We should have accurate, reliable information on how many people police kill ever year. Every single person, every single year.

Reporting should be accurate, reliable, and mandatory.

why should it be mandatory?

 

[bucs90]

My gawd.....that was so hard.

Took me an entire 5 minutes to find data on all the police shootings in the 2 states I've spent most of my life in (SC and GA).

I had to search long and hard and dig through piles of....well.....I ate a peanut butter & jelly sandwich while I went to GBI and SLED websites....the State Police agencies of those states.

Those evil tricky city and county cops!!!! Hiding all their shooting info DEEP inside the...um....websites of their state police.

Says meaningless gibberish. SHOW us with evidence that local law enforcement gives accurate and reliable numbers to the FBI on police shootings.

The FBI director acknowledges that they don't have reliable data on the topic.

With less than 3% of local law enforcement voluntarily reporting these stats to the FBI, its understandable why we don't have it. The reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

They dont have to give it to the FBI....they HAVE to give it to their state police.

A 10 minute Google search and I found info on all police shootings in:
SC from SLED state police
GA from GBI state police
NC from SBI and state attorney generals office

It's right there in plain sight through the 50 state police agencies.

REMEMBER.....much to the disappointment of liberals....we do NOT HAVE a national police force. 50 states. States rights.

There's nothing stopping the Feds from showing up with a subpoena or state level FOIA and getting all this from each state.....they did it in Ferguson.

If they don't have it....it's their own fault.

Says meaningless gibberish. Show us that local law enforcement agencies are reliably and accurately reporting their police shootings to the FBI.

Not you babbling about the topic. The actual evidence.

Show us, don't tell us.

Can you read? They report it to the STATE police. FBI is...as you noted...voluntary.

We don't have a national police force. States rights and the Constitution and all that remember?

State police and state attorney generals have the info. So do coroner's in each state..We aren't Mexico or Syria....we account for how a dead guy gets dead.

I found info on 4 states in 15 minutes.

 

[jc456]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

But its not cross referenced with anything... the Post did that at least.

probably because they filled out paperwork to get the info. This is the internet. deal with it.

 

[jc456]

My gawd.....that was so hard.

Took me an entire 5 minutes to find data on all the police shootings in the 2 states I've spent most of my life in (SC and GA).

I had to search long and hard and dig through piles of....well.....I ate a peanut butter & jelly sandwich while I went to GBI and SLED websites....the State Police agencies of those states.

Those evil tricky city and county cops!!!! Hiding all their shooting info DEEP inside the...um....websites of their state police.

Says meaningless gibberish. SHOW us with evidence that local law enforcement gives accurate and reliable numbers to the FBI on police shootings.

The FBI director acknowledges that they don't have reliable data on the topic.

With less than 3% of local law enforcement voluntarily reporting these stats to the FBI, its understandable why we don't have it. The reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

They dont have to give it to the FBI....they HAVE to give it to their state police.

A 10 minute Google search and I found info on all police shootings in:
SC from SLED state police
GA from GBI state police
NC from SBI and state attorney generals office

It's right there in plain sight through the 50 state police agencies.

REMEMBER.....much to the disappointment of liberals....we do NOT HAVE a national police force. 50 states. States rights.

There's nothing stopping the Feds from showing up with a subpoena or state level FOIA and getting all this from each state.....they did it in Ferguson.

If they don't have it....it's their own fault.

Says meaningless gibberish. Show us that local law enforcement agencies are reliably and accurately reporting their police shootings to the FBI.

Not you babbling about the topic. The actual evidence.

Show us, don't tell us.

Can you read? They report it to the STATE police. FBI is...as you noted...voluntary.

We don't have a national police force. States rights and the Constitution and all that remember?

State police and state attorney generals have the info. So do coroner's in each state..We aren't Mexico or Syria....we account for how a dead guy gets dead.

I found info on 4 states in 15 minutes.

skylar has no class and is a liar, she doesn't deserve all the work you've done and info you've provided. well done.

 

[ClosedCaption]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

But its not cross referenced with anything... the Post did that at least.

probably because they filled out paperwork to get the info. This is the internet. deal with it.

They used public data. Anymore excuses?

 

[Skylar]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

And what's your evidence that the stats are reliable or accurate?

Remember, getting A number isn't the problem. Getting an accurate number is. With only 3% of local law enforcement reporting police shootings to the FBI.

With the FBI numbers using local law enforcement information less than HALF of what the Post found. With the FBI acknowleding that the Post numbers are better.

 

[jc456]

My gawd.....that was so hard.

Took me an entire 5 minutes to find data on all the police shootings in the 2 states I've spent most of my life in (SC and GA).

I had to search long and hard and dig through piles of....well.....I ate a peanut butter & jelly sandwich while I went to GBI and SLED websites....the State Police agencies of those states.

Those evil tricky city and county cops!!!! Hiding all their shooting info DEEP inside the...um....websites of their state police.

Says meaningless gibberish. SHOW us with evidence that local law enforcement gives accurate and reliable numbers to the FBI on police shootings.

The FBI director acknowledges that they don't have reliable data on the topic.

With less than 3% of local law enforcement voluntarily reporting these stats to the FBI, its understandable why we don't have it. The reporting shouldn't be voluntary.

They dont have to give it to the FBI....they HAVE to give it to their state police.

A 10 minute Google search and I found info on all police shootings in:
SC from SLED state police
GA from GBI state police
NC from SBI and state attorney generals office

It's right there in plain sight through the 50 state police agencies.

REMEMBER.....much to the disappointment of liberals....we do NOT HAVE a national police force. 50 states. States rights.

There's nothing stopping the Feds from showing up with a subpoena or state level FOIA and getting all this from each state.....they did it in Ferguson.

If they don't have it....it's their own fault.

Says meaningless gibberish. Show us that local law enforcement agencies are reliably and accurately reporting their police shootings to the FBI.

Not you babbling about the topic. The actual evidence.

Show us, don't tell us.

hey classlessness LIAR, why don't you just post up the evidence you have that makes your argument. It would save a lot of time.

 

[bucs90]

Reporting is mandatory.....to state police, coroner's office and state attorney general. Those are mandated....by the STATE.

See libs....our Constitution has states rights. It's how the STATE police can mandate reporting upon a city....but the FBI cannot.


You guys keep grasping at that "reporting is voluntary" line.


A cop kills someone....a MASSIVE report is going to be done. Several agencies will be involved.

It's all there for anyone to see....if they come look.

 

[jc456]

In Oklahoma.....109 killed in 7 years.

Tulsa media gathered this....by FOIA of state police and state attorney general.

109 fatal police shootings in Oklahoma since 2007; 108 ruled justified

That's 4 out of 50 states I've done in 15 minutes.

But its not cross referenced with anything... the Post did that at least.

probably because they filled out paperwork to get the info. This is the internet. deal with it.

They used public data. Anymore excuses?

that they requisitioned