Mormon girl comes out as gay in church. The church cuts her mic...

[BreezeWood]

The real problem all the churches now face is that sensible people realize that homophobia is an unacceptable bigotry.

Sensible people rightly recognize homosexuality for what it truly is—an immoral, unhealthy sexual perversion that is irreconcilable with any rational standards of decency.

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Sensible people rightly recognize homosexuality for what it truly is—an immoral, unhealthy sexual perversion that is irreconcilable with any rational standards of decency.

no, they are bigots ...


landmark Supreme Court case, Loving v. Virginia (1967). The Court ruled that state bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional.

Loving

Few cases were more aptly named than Loving v. Virginia, which pitted an interracial couple – 17-year-old Mildred Jeter, who was black, and her childhood sweetheart, 23-year-old white construction worker, Richard Loving – against Virginia's 'miscegenation' laws banning marriage between blacks and whites. After marrying in Washington, D.C. and returning to their home state in 1958, the couple was charged with unlawful cohabitation and jailed.


Mildred was 17, not much older than the 13 year old and decided to get married. the same set of circumstances where now the church must allow them membership ... whether they like it or not.

there is a difference between how a bigot conducts themselves in their own dwelling, house and what a church must do to follow the law. bigot. just never leave your house and everything will be just fine.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Sensible people rightly recognize homosexuality for what it truly is—an immoral, unhealthy sexual perversion that is irreconcilable with any rational standards of decency.

no, they are bigots ...


landmark Supreme Court case, Loving v. Virginia (1967). The Court ruled that state bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional.

Loving

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. In fact. it is outright racist and hateful of you to suggest that being black is comparable to being a sick, immoral homosexual pervert. In so doing, you forfeit any credibility in accusing anyone else of bigotry. Hypocrite!

 

[BreezeWood]

Sensible people rightly recognize homosexuality for what it truly is—an immoral, unhealthy sexual perversion that is irreconcilable with any rational standards of decency.

no, they are bigots ...


landmark Supreme Court case, Loving v. Virginia (1967). The Court ruled that state bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional.

Loving

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. In fact. it is outright racist and hateful of you to suggest that being black is comparable to being a sick, immoral homosexual pervert. In so doing, you forfeit any credibility in accusing anyone else of bigotry. Hypocrite!

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Which has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. In fact. it is outright racist and hateful of you to suggest that being black is comparable to being a sick, immoral homosexual pervert. In so doing, you forfeit any credibility in accusing anyone else of bigotry. Hypocrite!

who said anything about someone being black, interracial usually includes two separate races in fact that's what it means, bigot the point was their exclusion by law and organized religious acquiescence that was overturned by the Supreme Court as being unjust. the reactionaries in most cases realize what dumbasses they were / are and that their opinion as bigots has no place in a free society. was the ruling.


a thirteen year old girl expressing her opinion in the appropriate "church" forum is -

"a sick, immoral homosexual pervert"

is your problem in recognition and actually, traumatizing a 13 year old may be your sense of justice but thankfully again the courts do recognize that type of brutality and render the appropriate verdict. christian.

 

[JoeB131]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

 

[JoeB131]

Sensible people rightly recognize homosexuality for what it truly is—an immoral, unhealthy sexual perversion that is irreconcilable with any rational standards of decency.

Why?

Okay, without saying "My Imaginary Man in the Sky says it's bad" and "I think it's icky when it's two dudes", please point out to me why it's bad.

Thanks.

 

[JoeB131]

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. In fact. it is outright racist and hateful of you to suggest that being black is comparable to being a sick, immoral homosexual pervert. In so doing, you forfeit any credibility in accusing anyone else of bigotry. Hypocrite!

The thing is, you are associating bad things with homosexuality, just like the racists would tell us that blacks were genetically inferior, less intelligent, less moral than white people.

So do you have any LOGICAL arguments against homosexuality, other than you think it's icky and an imaginary pixie in the sky says it's bad?

 

[Avatar4321]

Okay, but how do you claim that Mormonism or Catholicism isn't a scam? Because they've been around longer? You really should read up on the early history of the Mormon Church and Joseph Smith, that guy was a born scammer.

When I was fourteen years old, and had never heard of the LDS Faith, I came across The Book of Mormon on a Library table. I flipped through it, noticed it was about God, and it immediately captured my attention. I read the first couple of chapters, but I was disappointed in the story. I remember thinking, "Sounds like something a fourteen-year-old boy would write.

I didn't learn until later it was by a fourteen-year-old boy. At that time I started at the very beginning, and, as it suggested, prayed about it. The answer was very clear. "This is not for you."

Later in life I studied Joseph Smith and came to the conclusion many already had: The man was a con-artist.

Even though I do not accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, or many of the tenets of the LDS faith, these people follow Christ. And, when people follow Christ, amazing things happen, even when their founders were con-artists, even when their tenets vary. The LDS Church is what it is because of Christ and despite Joseph Smith.

As for Catholicism: I am biased, of course, because it was Catholic practices that dropped me into the lap of God when I was ten years old. No need to go into that. But that is the purpose of any religion: To bring the individual closer to God. In me, the Catholic faith succeeded. It failed with you.

Joseph Smith and Jesus are two peas in a pod.

Not at all. Mr Smith was full of HIMSELF. Christ emptied Himself, was all about His Father's work and His love for whosoever would believe..

Jesus went around believing that he was some special son of god... TOTALLY full of himself.

Jesus was the ONLY positional/begotten of GOD and was very humble and died on the cross. Joseph Smith, supposedly found long hidden records, translated them alone, presented the book of Mormon, founded a religion, became a lieutenant general, had umpteen wives (regardless of their age or marriage status), destroyed a privately owned printing press, and went down fighting...

He wasn't alone in translating the Book of Mormon:

“These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’

“To notice, in even few words, the interesting account given by Mormon and his faithful son, Moroni, of a people once beloved and favored of heaven, would supersede my present design; I shall therefore defer this to a future period, and, as I said in the introduction, pass more directly to some few incidents immediately connected with the rise of this Church, which may be entertaining to some thousands who have stepped forward, amid the frowns of bigots and the calumny of hypocrites, and embraced the Gospel of Christ.

“No men, in their sober senses, could translate and write the directions given to the Nephites from the mouth of the Savior, of the precise manner in which men should build up His Church, and especially when corruption had spread an uncertainty over all forms and systems practiced among men, without desiring a privilege of showing the willingness of the heart by being buried in the liquid grave, to answer a ‘good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.’

“After writing the account given of the Savior’s ministry to the remnant of the seed of Jacob, upon this continent, it was easy to be seen, as the prophet said it would be, that darkness covered the earth and gross darkness the minds of the people. On reflecting further it was as easy to be seen that amid the great strife and noise concerning religion, none had authority from God to administer the ordinances of the Gospel. For the question might be asked, have men authority to administer in the name of Christ, who deny revelations, when His testimony is no less than the spirit of prophecy, and His religion based, built, and sustained by immediate revelations, in all ages of the world when He has had a people on earth? If these facts were buried, and carefully concealed by men whose craft would have been in danger if once permitted to shine in the faces of men, they were no longer to us; and we only waited for the commandment to be given ‘Arise and be baptized.’

“This was not long desired before it was realized. The Lord, who is rich in mercy, and ever willing to answer the consistent prayer of the humble, after we had called upon Him in a fervent manner, aside from the abodes of men, condescended to manifest to us His will. On a sudden, as from the midst of eternity, the voice of the Redeemer spake peace to us, while the veil was parted and the angel of God came down clothed with glory, and delivered the anxiously looked for message, and the keys of the Gospel of repentance. What joy! what wonder! what amazement! While the world was racked and distracted—while millions were groping as the blind for the wall, and while all men were resting upon uncertainty, as a general mass, our eyes beheld, our ears heard, as in the ‘blaze of day’; yes, more—above the glitter of the May sunbeam, which then shed its brilliancy over the face of nature! Then his voice, though mild, pierced to the center, and his words, ‘I am thy fellow-servant,’ dispelled every fear. We listened, we gazed, we admired! ’Twas the voice of an angel from glory, ’twas a message from the Most High! And as we heard we rejoiced, while His love enkindled upon our souls, and we were wrapped in the vision of the Almighty! Where was room for doubt? Nowhere; uncertainty had fled, doubt had sunk no more to rise, while fiction and deception had fled forever!

“But, dear brother, think, further think for a moment, what joy filled our hearts, and with what surprise we must have bowed, (for who would not have bowed the knee for such a blessing?) when we received under his hand the Holy Priesthood as he said, ‘Upon you my fellow-servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer this Priesthood and this authority, which shall remain upon earth, that the Sons of Levi may yet offer an offering unto the Lord in righteousness!’

“I shall not attempt to paint to you the feelings of this heart, nor the majestic beauty and glory which surrounded us on this occasion; but you will believe me when I say, that earth, nor men, with the eloquence of time, cannot begin to clothe language in as interesting and sublime a manner as this holy personage. No; nor has this earth power to give the joy, to bestow the peace, or comprehend the wisdom which was contained in each sentence as they were delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit! Man may deceive his fellow-men, deception may follow deception, and the children of the wicked one may have power to seduce the foolish and untaught, till naught but fiction feeds the many, and the fruit of falsehood carries in its current the giddy to the grave; but one touch with the finger of his love, yes, one ray of glory from the upper world, or one word from the mouth of the Savior, from the bosom of eternity, strikes it all into insignificance, and blots it forever from the mind. The assurance that we were in the presence of an angel, the certainty that we heard the voice of Jesus, and the truth unsullied as it flowed from a pure personage, dictated by the will of God, is to me past description, and I shall ever look upon this expression of the Savior’s goodness with wonder and thanksgiving while I am permitted to tarry; and in those mansions where perfection dwells and sin never comes, I hope to adore in that day which shall never cease.”—Messenger and Advocate, vol. 1 (October 1834), pp. 14–16.

 

[Avatar4321]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

 

[BreezeWood]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

....................................
.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

(Mormon church leaders cut microphone after young girl announces she's gay)

Her comments came during a once-a-month portion of Mormon Sunday services where members are encouraged to share feelings and beliefs.

do you ever read the thread article before making your illinformed comments ... and your "local authorities" were the one's that turned off the microphone, more like crucifying Jesus than "coming closer" to "resolve the issue".

 

[Avatar4321]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

....................................
.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

(Mormon church leaders cut microphone after young girl announces she's gay)

Her comments came during a once-a-month portion of Mormon Sunday services where members are encouraged to share feelings and beliefs.

do you ever read the thread article before making your illinformed comments ... and your "local authorities" were the one's that turned off the microphone, more like crucifying Jesus than "coming closer" to "resolve the issue".

Considering give been going to fast and testimony meetings for the better part of three and a half decades I am fairly certain I don't need to read the article to know what they are about.

They aren't about getting up and making a scene. They aren't about announcing your doubts and concerns to the congregation. They are about sharing your testimony of Jesus Christ. They are about edifying and uplifting your fellow saints.

 

[BreezeWood]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

....................................
.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

(Mormon church leaders cut microphone after young girl announces she's gay)

Her comments came during a once-a-month portion of Mormon Sunday services where members are encouraged to share feelings and beliefs.

do you ever read the thread article before making your illinformed comments ... and your "local authorities" were the one's that turned off the microphone, more like crucifying Jesus than "coming closer" to "resolve the issue".

Considering give been going to fast and testimony meetings for the better part of three and a half decades I am fairly certain I don't need to read the article to know what they are about.

They aren't about getting up and making a scene. They aren't about announcing your doubts and concerns to the congregation. They are about sharing your testimony of Jesus Christ. They are about edifying and uplifting your fellow saints.

.

Considering give been going to fast and testimony meetings for the better part of three and a half decades I am fairly certain I don't need to read the article to know what they are about.

They aren't about getting up and making a scene. They aren't about announcing your doubts and concerns to the congregation. They are about sharing your testimony of Jesus Christ. They are about edifying and uplifting your fellow saints.

everyone knows your speeches and have heard them for centuries ... history is not your friend.

they crucified Jesus for the same as your persuasion above and have been since the late 4th century and their latest victim, a 13 year old girl that is not afraid of you or those in that room who saw fit to crucify another Free Spirit. the same as they have Jesus.

 

[Mudda]

When I was fourteen years old, and had never heard of the LDS Faith, I came across The Book of Mormon on a Library table. I flipped through it, noticed it was about God, and it immediately captured my attention. I read the first couple of chapters, but I was disappointed in the story. I remember thinking, "Sounds like something a fourteen-year-old boy would write.

I didn't learn until later it was by a fourteen-year-old boy. At that time I started at the very beginning, and, as it suggested, prayed about it. The answer was very clear. "This is not for you."

Later in life I studied Joseph Smith and came to the conclusion many already had: The man was a con-artist.

Even though I do not accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, or many of the tenets of the LDS faith, these people follow Christ. And, when people follow Christ, amazing things happen, even when their founders were con-artists, even when their tenets vary. The LDS Church is what it is because of Christ and despite Joseph Smith.

As for Catholicism: I am biased, of course, because it was Catholic practices that dropped me into the lap of God when I was ten years old. No need to go into that. But that is the purpose of any religion: To bring the individual closer to God. In me, the Catholic faith succeeded. It failed with you.

Joseph Smith and Jesus are two peas in a pod.

Not at all. Mr Smith was full of HIMSELF. Christ emptied Himself, was all about His Father's work and His love for whosoever would believe..

Jesus went around believing that he was some special son of god... TOTALLY full of himself.

Jesus was the ONLY positional/begotten of GOD and was very humble and died on the cross. Joseph Smith, supposedly found long hidden records, translated them alone, presented the book of Mormon, founded a religion, became a lieutenant general, had umpteen wives (regardless of their age or marriage status), destroyed a privately owned printing press, and went down fighting...

He wasn't alone in translating the Book of Mormon:

“These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’

“To notice, in even few words, the interesting account given by Mormon and his faithful son, Moroni, of a people once beloved and favored of heaven, would supersede my present design; I shall therefore defer this to a future period, and, as I said in the introduction, pass more directly to some few incidents immediately connected with the rise of this Church, which may be entertaining to some thousands who have stepped forward, amid the frowns of bigots and the calumny of hypocrites, and embraced the Gospel of Christ.

“No men, in their sober senses, could translate and write the directions given to the Nephites from the mouth of the Savior, of the precise manner in which men should build up His Church, and especially when corruption had spread an uncertainty over all forms and systems practiced among men, without desiring a privilege of showing the willingness of the heart by being buried in the liquid grave, to answer a ‘good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.’

“After writing the account given of the Savior’s ministry to the remnant of the seed of Jacob, upon this continent, it was easy to be seen, as the prophet said it would be, that darkness covered the earth and gross darkness the minds of the people. On reflecting further it was as easy to be seen that amid the great strife and noise concerning religion, none had authority from God to administer the ordinances of the Gospel. For the question might be asked, have men authority to administer in the name of Christ, who deny revelations, when His testimony is no less than the spirit of prophecy, and His religion based, built, and sustained by immediate revelations, in all ages of the world when He has had a people on earth? If these facts were buried, and carefully concealed by men whose craft would have been in danger if once permitted to shine in the faces of men, they were no longer to us; and we only waited for the commandment to be given ‘Arise and be baptized.’

“This was not long desired before it was realized. The Lord, who is rich in mercy, and ever willing to answer the consistent prayer of the humble, after we had called upon Him in a fervent manner, aside from the abodes of men, condescended to manifest to us His will. On a sudden, as from the midst of eternity, the voice of the Redeemer spake peace to us, while the veil was parted and the angel of God came down clothed with glory, and delivered the anxiously looked for message, and the keys of the Gospel of repentance. What joy! what wonder! what amazement! While the world was racked and distracted—while millions were groping as the blind for the wall, and while all men were resting upon uncertainty, as a general mass, our eyes beheld, our ears heard, as in the ‘blaze of day’; yes, more—above the glitter of the May sunbeam, which then shed its brilliancy over the face of nature! Then his voice, though mild, pierced to the center, and his words, ‘I am thy fellow-servant,’ dispelled every fear. We listened, we gazed, we admired! ’Twas the voice of an angel from glory, ’twas a message from the Most High! And as we heard we rejoiced, while His love enkindled upon our souls, and we were wrapped in the vision of the Almighty! Where was room for doubt? Nowhere; uncertainty had fled, doubt had sunk no more to rise, while fiction and deception had fled forever!

“But, dear brother, think, further think for a moment, what joy filled our hearts, and with what surprise we must have bowed, (for who would not have bowed the knee for such a blessing?) when we received under his hand the Holy Priesthood as he said, ‘Upon you my fellow-servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer this Priesthood and this authority, which shall remain upon earth, that the Sons of Levi may yet offer an offering unto the Lord in righteousness!’

“I shall not attempt to paint to you the feelings of this heart, nor the majestic beauty and glory which surrounded us on this occasion; but you will believe me when I say, that earth, nor men, with the eloquence of time, cannot begin to clothe language in as interesting and sublime a manner as this holy personage. No; nor has this earth power to give the joy, to bestow the peace, or comprehend the wisdom which was contained in each sentence as they were delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit! Man may deceive his fellow-men, deception may follow deception, and the children of the wicked one may have power to seduce the foolish and untaught, till naught but fiction feeds the many, and the fruit of falsehood carries in its current the giddy to the grave; but one touch with the finger of his love, yes, one ray of glory from the upper world, or one word from the mouth of the Savior, from the bosom of eternity, strikes it all into insignificance, and blots it forever from the mind. The assurance that we were in the presence of an angel, the certainty that we heard the voice of Jesus, and the truth unsullied as it flowed from a pure personage, dictated by the will of God, is to me past description, and I shall ever look upon this expression of the Savior’s goodness with wonder and thanksgiving while I am permitted to tarry; and in those mansions where perfection dwells and sin never comes, I hope to adore in that day which shall never cease.”—Messenger and Advocate, vol. 1 (October 1834), pp. 14–16.

There's no proof that the Book of Mormon is true and not a made up farce.

 

[JoeB131]

He wasn't alone in translating the Book of Mormon:

There was no book of Mormon to translate. Smith made it up to scam less smart people out of their money and screw little girls.

 

[JoeB131]

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

Souns like that is what she was doing.

Just like 40 years ago, someone asked your fucked up cult why Black People couldn't join the priesthood.

 

[Bonzi]

So, if it was bothering her.... was it the Mormon beliefs that was bothering her....
Or was she struggling with her sexuality? It makes a difference...

 

[JoeB131]

So, if it was bothering her.... was it the Mormon beliefs that was bothering her....
Or was she struggling with her sexuality? It makes a difference...

I think it's the fact that her bizarre ass cult told her she was evil for being who she was.

Kind of like 40 years ago, when it told its black members that Dark SKin was a curse from God.

 

[Bonzi]

So, if it was bothering her.... was it the Mormon beliefs that was bothering her....
Or was she struggling with her sexuality? It makes a difference...

I think it's the fact that her bizarre ass cult told her she was evil for being who she was.

Kind of like 40 years ago, when it told its black members that Dark SKin was a curse from God.

No argument from me. I didn't read the story nor was I there .. so I'm not sure how it played out. Sounded like an issue more suited to a different setting

 

[CMike]

If you engage in immoral behavior, and brag about it at the church podium, yes they should cut off your mic.

 

[Avatar4321]

A church of any kind is a gather of people with similar personal beliefs.
We have freedom of religion in this country. She should have asked permission.

she did. They invited her to talk about whatever was bothering her.. and she did. Oops.

What we need is freedom FROM religion in this country.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

....................................
.

No one is invited to talk about whatever is bothering you in front the entire congregation.

We are however invited to bring concerns and questions to local authorizes to help us come closer to Christ and resolve such issues

(Mormon church leaders cut microphone after young girl announces she's gay)

Her comments came during a once-a-month portion of Mormon Sunday services where members are encouraged to share feelings and beliefs.

do you ever read the thread article before making your illinformed comments ... and your "local authorities" were the one's that turned off the microphone, more like crucifying Jesus than "coming closer" to "resolve the issue".

Considering give been going to fast and testimony meetings for the better part of three and a half decades I am fairly certain I don't need to read the article to know what they are about.

They aren't about getting up and making a scene. They aren't about announcing your doubts and concerns to the congregation. They are about sharing your testimony of Jesus Christ. They are about edifying and uplifting your fellow saints.

.

Considering give been going to fast and testimony meetings for the better part of three and a half decades I am fairly certain I don't need to read the article to know what they are about.

They aren't about getting up and making a scene. They aren't about announcing your doubts and concerns to the congregation. They are about sharing your testimony of Jesus Christ. They are about edifying and uplifting your fellow saints.

everyone knows your speeches and have heard them for centuries ... history is not your friend.

they crucified Jesus for the same as your persuasion above and have been since the late 4th century and their latest victim, a 13 year old girl that is not afraid of you or those in that room who saw fit to crucify another Free Spirit. the same as they have Jesus.

So you're comparing a girl getting up in an inappropriate setting and making public her struggles with sin with crucifying Jesus Christ...

 

[Avatar4321]

Joseph Smith and Jesus are two peas in a pod.

Not at all. Mr Smith was full of HIMSELF. Christ emptied Himself, was all about His Father's work and His love for whosoever would believe..

Jesus went around believing that he was some special son of god... TOTALLY full of himself.

Jesus was the ONLY positional/begotten of GOD and was very humble and died on the cross. Joseph Smith, supposedly found long hidden records, translated them alone, presented the book of Mormon, founded a religion, became a lieutenant general, had umpteen wives (regardless of their age or marriage status), destroyed a privately owned printing press, and went down fighting...

He wasn't alone in translating the Book of Mormon:

“These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’

“To notice, in even few words, the interesting account given by Mormon and his faithful son, Moroni, of a people once beloved and favored of heaven, would supersede my present design; I shall therefore defer this to a future period, and, as I said in the introduction, pass more directly to some few incidents immediately connected with the rise of this Church, which may be entertaining to some thousands who have stepped forward, amid the frowns of bigots and the calumny of hypocrites, and embraced the Gospel of Christ.

“No men, in their sober senses, could translate and write the directions given to the Nephites from the mouth of the Savior, of the precise manner in which men should build up His Church, and especially when corruption had spread an uncertainty over all forms and systems practiced among men, without desiring a privilege of showing the willingness of the heart by being buried in the liquid grave, to answer a ‘good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.’

“After writing the account given of the Savior’s ministry to the remnant of the seed of Jacob, upon this continent, it was easy to be seen, as the prophet said it would be, that darkness covered the earth and gross darkness the minds of the people. On reflecting further it was as easy to be seen that amid the great strife and noise concerning religion, none had authority from God to administer the ordinances of the Gospel. For the question might be asked, have men authority to administer in the name of Christ, who deny revelations, when His testimony is no less than the spirit of prophecy, and His religion based, built, and sustained by immediate revelations, in all ages of the world when He has had a people on earth? If these facts were buried, and carefully concealed by men whose craft would have been in danger if once permitted to shine in the faces of men, they were no longer to us; and we only waited for the commandment to be given ‘Arise and be baptized.’

“This was not long desired before it was realized. The Lord, who is rich in mercy, and ever willing to answer the consistent prayer of the humble, after we had called upon Him in a fervent manner, aside from the abodes of men, condescended to manifest to us His will. On a sudden, as from the midst of eternity, the voice of the Redeemer spake peace to us, while the veil was parted and the angel of God came down clothed with glory, and delivered the anxiously looked for message, and the keys of the Gospel of repentance. What joy! what wonder! what amazement! While the world was racked and distracted—while millions were groping as the blind for the wall, and while all men were resting upon uncertainty, as a general mass, our eyes beheld, our ears heard, as in the ‘blaze of day’; yes, more—above the glitter of the May sunbeam, which then shed its brilliancy over the face of nature! Then his voice, though mild, pierced to the center, and his words, ‘I am thy fellow-servant,’ dispelled every fear. We listened, we gazed, we admired! ’Twas the voice of an angel from glory, ’twas a message from the Most High! And as we heard we rejoiced, while His love enkindled upon our souls, and we were wrapped in the vision of the Almighty! Where was room for doubt? Nowhere; uncertainty had fled, doubt had sunk no more to rise, while fiction and deception had fled forever!

“But, dear brother, think, further think for a moment, what joy filled our hearts, and with what surprise we must have bowed, (for who would not have bowed the knee for such a blessing?) when we received under his hand the Holy Priesthood as he said, ‘Upon you my fellow-servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer this Priesthood and this authority, which shall remain upon earth, that the Sons of Levi may yet offer an offering unto the Lord in righteousness!’

“I shall not attempt to paint to you the feelings of this heart, nor the majestic beauty and glory which surrounded us on this occasion; but you will believe me when I say, that earth, nor men, with the eloquence of time, cannot begin to clothe language in as interesting and sublime a manner as this holy personage. No; nor has this earth power to give the joy, to bestow the peace, or comprehend the wisdom which was contained in each sentence as they were delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit! Man may deceive his fellow-men, deception may follow deception, and the children of the wicked one may have power to seduce the foolish and untaught, till naught but fiction feeds the many, and the fruit of falsehood carries in its current the giddy to the grave; but one touch with the finger of his love, yes, one ray of glory from the upper world, or one word from the mouth of the Savior, from the bosom of eternity, strikes it all into insignificance, and blots it forever from the mind. The assurance that we were in the presence of an angel, the certainty that we heard the voice of Jesus, and the truth unsullied as it flowed from a pure personage, dictated by the will of God, is to me past description, and I shall ever look upon this expression of the Savior’s goodness with wonder and thanksgiving while I am permitted to tarry; and in those mansions where perfection dwells and sin never comes, I hope to adore in that day which shall never cease.”—Messenger and Advocate, vol. 1 (October 1834), pp. 14–16.

There's no proof that the Book of Mormon is true and not a made up farce.

The Book itself is evidence. It shouldn't exist. Yet it does. Dictated by an uneducated man who couldn't dictate a coherent letter. Perfectly consistent internally as well with the Bible.

And more amazing it comes with a promise that if you study it out and ask God He will show you that its true by the Holy Ghost.