Mueller : Trump is guilty of obstruction. Congress should handle it. Don't bother me again.

[WEATHER53]

Exactly what did he do that affected Mueller doing his job?

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obviously you did not read the report; you so funny

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

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well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

He did not identify them as obstructive acts, you choose to emotionally interpret them that way based on the fallacy of “what if”

then you obviously did not read the report but then no one expects a Trump supporter to be able to read.

Read it and everything you are referencing is a “what if”

 

[WEATHER53]

From tigerreds post
The Trump team is now daring Mueller to testify, after .....keep this in mind....after the shit for brains said, he does not want to testify.....So leave it to team Trump to now go on record and say to his American Stupid.....Mueller doesn't want to testify and say to my face and my adoring Nazi Nuts, in the senate and congressional GOP lap dogs that I'm guilty as hell.

So to Robert Mueller, please call this clown on his dare, agree to testify and put a period behind a history that will leave you and the country victorious in getting rid of a treasonous low life clown who should be behind bars having his butt hole pierced, by every minority he's bravely attacked with secret service looking on!!

I am so excited for any momentum to get Mules to talk more because last time he did the info he provided stated he knew it was a witch hunt from the start.

 

[edward37]

From tigerreds post
The Trump team is now daring Mueller to testify, after .....keep this in mind....after the shit for brains said, he does not want to testify.....So leave it to team Trump to now go on record and say to his American Stupid.....Mueller doesn't want to testify and say to my face and my adoring Nazi Nuts, in the senate and congressional GOP lap dogs that I'm guilty as hell.

So to Robert Mueller, please call this clown on his dare, agree to testify and put a period behind a history that will leave you and the country victorious in getting rid of a treasonous low life clown who should be behind bars having his butt hole pierced, by every minority he's bravely attacked with secret service looking on!!

I am so excited for any momentum to get Mules to talk more because last time he did the info he provided stated he knew it was a witch hunt from the start.

Guess you didn't read the report either 10 charges of obstruction

 

[M14 Shooter]

Guess you didn't read the report either 10 charges of obstruction

Wow. Its almost as if you -choose- to not pay attention.
What needs to be demonstrated for any of those acts to qualify obstruction of justice?

 

[OKTexas]

Exactly what did he do that affected Mueller doing his job?

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obviously you did not read the report; you so funny

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

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well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

Yet he couldn't make a decision, go figure. BTW which of those potential acts were not within the presidents Article 2 powers?

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each obstructive act is thoroughly analyzed within the report; you can read it in the report

I've asked several questions and all you do is dance, fuck off commie, we're done until you can answer a simple question.

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[caddo kid]

obviously you did not read the report; you so funny

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

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well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

He did not identify them as obstructive acts, you choose to emotionally interpret them that way based on the fallacy of “what if”

then you obviously did not read the report but then no one expects a Trump supporter to be able to read.

Read it and everything you are referencing is a “what if”

No what ifs but I will give you an F for FAILURE

 

[M14 Shooter]

I've asked several questions and all you do is dance, fuck off commie, we're done until you can answer a simple question.

He knows the only way he can make a point is to lie.

 

[caddo kid]

obviously you did not read the report; you so funny

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

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well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

Yet he couldn't make a decision, go figure. BTW which of those potential acts were not within the presidents Article 2 powers?

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each obstructive act is thoroughly analyzed within the report; you can read it in the report

I've asked several questions and all you do is dance, fuck off commie, we're done until you can answer a simple question.

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It's all in the report; I have the link & the page #s posted in my siggy. Too lazy? Too bad.

 

[WEATHER53]

From tigerreds post
The Trump team is now daring Mueller to testify, after .....keep this in mind....after the shit for brains said, he does not want to testify.....So leave it to team Trump to now go on record and say to his American Stupid.....Mueller doesn't want to testify and say to my face and my adoring Nazi Nuts, in the senate and congressional GOP lap dogs that I'm guilty as hell.

So to Robert Mueller, please call this clown on his dare, agree to testify and put a period behind a history that will leave you and the country victorious in getting rid of a treasonous low life clown who should be behind bars having his butt hole pierced, by every minority he's bravely attacked with secret service looking on!!

I am so excited for any momentum to get Mules to talk more because last time he did the info he provided stated he knew it was a witch hunt from the start.

Guess you didn't read the report either 10 charges of obstruction

If there had been one “charge” of obstruction the he would have suffered accordingly. Instead some “what if’s” were floated.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's all in the report; I have the link & the page #s posted in my siggy. Too lazy? Too bad.

There's not a single act of obstruction cited in the report.
Not one.
Go ahead - lie some more.

 

[edward37]

Just for you m14
In the hours after the public release of the redacted report from special counsel Robert S. Mueller, President Donald Trump took to Twitter with a message that reads, in part, “NO OBSTRUCTION!”

That’s not at all what the Mueller report says, though.

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”

Mueller, however, refrained from recommending prosecution, saying that there were “difficult [legal] issues that would need to be resolved,” in order to reach a conclusion that the crime of obstruction of justice was committed by Trump.

Factoring into his decision not to weigh in on prosecution, Mueller wrote, was an opinion issued by the Office of Legal Counsel finding that “the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions” in violation of “the constitutional separation of powers.”

“Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct,” Mueller wrote.

Mueller emphasized, however, that his analysis of the evidence did not clear the president of obstruction. Said Mueller: “f we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment.”

Mueller noted several complicating factors with respect to determining whether illegal obstruction occurred. For starters, he wrote, “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference.” Or, as Trump has repeatedly reminded, the report found “NO COLLUSION” by anyone in the Trump campaign with Russians trying to sway the 2016 election in his favor. But that doesn’t preclude the possibility of obstruction, Mueller said. According to the report, “the evidence does point to a range of other possible personal motives animating the President’s conduct. These include concerns that continued investigation would call into question the legitimacy of his election and potential uncertainty about whether certain events-such as advance notice of WikiLeaks’s release of hacked information or the June 9, 2016 meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians could be seen as criminal activity by the President, his campaign, or his family.”

Nor does the fact that many of the president’s acts occurred in public view — “including discouragement of cooperation with the government and suggestions of possible future pardons” — necessarily clear him, the report states.

Mueller report: While it may be more difficult to establish that public-facing acts were motivated by a corrupt intent, the President’s power to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications. And no principle of law excludes public acts from the scope of obstruction statutes. If the likely effect of the acts is to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice system’s integrity is equally threatened.

Mueller noted that it was only the refusal of Trump’s underlings to go along with his efforts to tamper that kept Trump from being able to successfully impede the investigation.

Mueller report: The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. [Former FBI Director James] Comey did not end the investigation of [Retired Lt. Gen. Michael] Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn’s prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. [White House counsel Don] McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the Special Counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President’s order. [Former campaign manager Corey] Lewandowski and [Trump campaign official Rick] Dearborn did not deliver the President’s message to Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President’s direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President’s multiple demands that he do so. Consistent with that pattern, the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges against the President’s aides and associates beyond those already filed.

In a press conference just prior to the public release of the redacted Mueller report on April 18, Attorney General William P. Barr said that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein “disagreed with some of [Mueller’s] legal theories and felt that some of the episodes examined did not amount to obstruction as a matter of law.” But he said that based on the evidence and legal framework presented by Mueller, they concluded the investigation did not establish that Trump had committed the criminal offense of obstruction of justice.

During his press conference, Barr claimed that “the White House fully cooperated with the Special Counsel’s investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and White House documents, directing senior aides to testify freely, and asserting no privilege claims.”

That’s contradicted in the report. Mueller notes that after Trump learned that his own conduct regarding obstruction was being investigated after appointment of the special counsel, “the President engaged in a second phase of conduct, involving public attacks on the investigation, non-public efforts to control it, and efforts in both public and private to encourage witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation.”

The president was also less than fully cooperative regarding Mueller’s interview requests, the report states.

The special counsel’s office sought an interview with the president for “more than a year,” getting written responses in late November 2018. “[O]n more than 30 occasions” Trump said he “does not ‘recall’ or ‘remember’ or have an ‘independent recollection’” in response to questions, while other answers were “incomplete or imprecise,” the Mueller report says.

The special counsel’s office told the president’s counsel that the written format was inadequate and didn’t give investigators an “opportunity to ask follow-up questions that would ensure complete answers and potentially refresh your client’s recollection.” But the president declined another request for an in-person interview.

Mueller’s team considered a subpoena, but they were concerned with the delay that would cause. Plus, “at that point, our investigation had made significant progress and had produced substantial evidence for our report.”

In any case, Barr’s decision not to pursue charges of obstruction against the president may not be the final word.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Most important thing said: MUELLER: 'If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so'

MUELLER: 'If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so'

But, the GOP are going to continue to spin, spin, spin!

If he had found clear evidence of a crime he would have said so. See how that works?

 

[M14 Shooter]

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,”

Yawn.

"Three basic elements are common to most of the relevant obstruction statutes: (1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent."

"As an initial matter, the term “corruptly” sets a demanding standard. It requires a concrete showing that a person acted with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others.”

Please cite the text of the report where Mueller concretely demonstrates Trump acted corruptly - with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others in relation of ANY of those 10 "possibly obstructive" acts.

Let me save you some time:
You won't.
Because you can't.
Because it isn't there.

 

[OKTexas]

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

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well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

Yet he couldn't make a decision, go figure. BTW which of those potential acts were not within the presidents Article 2 powers?

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each obstructive act is thoroughly analyzed within the report; you can read it in the report

I've asked several questions and all you do is dance, fuck off commie, we're done until you can answer a simple question.

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It's all in the report; I have the link & the page #s posted in my siggy. Too lazy? Too bad.

Hey dumb ass, I asked you questions, not the report.

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[Flopper]

Doesn't matter what it "would have" done. It wasn't in the directive. Simple as that.

It didn't have to be. Mueller could have opined on anything he desired. He didn't have any limitations in regards to his report. So he left it ambiguous on purpose. He wanted to make Trump look guilty without actually saying it.

I wouldn't know. I don't claim to speak for him. I guess you do but I wouldn't go there.

All indications point that way, don't they? Do you think it was pure coincidence most of his staff in this investigation were all Trump haters or Hillary lovers? Do you think it was an accident he never looked into the FISA warrant or Steele report?

Mueller himself is a republican and certainly didn't show any favoritism toward Trump. FBI agents, as most law enforcement, tend to be conservative, law-and-order types, so my guess is most would tend to be Republicans or conservative Democrats or just plain Independents.

You mean like Stroke-off and Paige?

Yes, Mueller hates Trump as other Republicans do. Just because he's a Republican doesn't mean shit; especially in this case. Yes, before Obama, the FBI was an on-the-level agency; that was until Ears weaponized them.

Yeah, republicans really hate Trump. I guess that explains why Trump has a 90% job approval rating from them

Why shouldn't they? And I'm not talking about the voting pubic, I'm talking about other representatives.

I have no idea why republicans would support someone like Trump. You should ask them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It didn't have to be. Mueller could have opined on anything he desired. He didn't have any limitations in regards to his report. So he left it ambiguous on purpose. He wanted to make Trump look guilty without actually saying it.

All indications point that way, don't they? Do you think it was pure coincidence most of his staff in this investigation were all Trump haters or Hillary lovers? Do you think it was an accident he never looked into the FISA warrant or Steele report?

Mueller himself is a republican and certainly didn't show any favoritism toward Trump. FBI agents, as most law enforcement, tend to be conservative, law-and-order types, so my guess is most would tend to be Republicans or conservative Democrats or just plain Independents.

You mean like Stroke-off and Paige?

Yes, Mueller hates Trump as other Republicans do. Just because he's a Republican doesn't mean shit; especially in this case. Yes, before Obama, the FBI was an on-the-level agency; that was until Ears weaponized them.

Yeah, republicans really hate Trump. I guess that explains why Trump has a 90% job approval rating from them

Why shouldn't they? And I'm not talking about the voting pubic, I'm talking about other representatives.

I have no idea.

We know.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Exactly what did he do that affected Mueller doing his job?

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obviously you did not read the report; you so funny

What's wrong commie, can't answer the question. The fact is Mueller completed his investigation, NO ONE interfered with him.

.

well of course no one interfered; that's why Mueller documented at least TEN, yes, no less that TEN obstructive acts by Trump.
See my signature? You can go & read it all, right there.

Yet he couldn't make a decision, go figure. BTW which of those potential acts were not within the presidents Article 2 powers?

.

each obstructive act is thoroughly analyzed within the report; you can read it in the report

I read the report and there is no evidence or proof. Just speculation.

 

[edward37]

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,”

Yawn.

"Three basic elements are common to most of the relevant obstruction statutes: (1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent."

"As an initial matter, the term “corruptly” sets a demanding standard. It requires a concrete showing that a person acted with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others.”

Please cite the text of the report where Mueller concretely demonstrates Trump acted corruptly - with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others in relation of ANY of those 10 "possibly obstructive" acts.

Let me save you some time:
You won't.
Because you can't.
Because it isn't there.

Can you wait until the impeachment hearings when all you want to know will be answered?His ass will be grass and congress will be the lawn mower

 

[Flopper]

Mueller had no proof, wonder girl.

Yeah, he had no proof that Trump wasn't a damn criminal,

Why do you think this is meaningful?
Hoe does this translate, outside your world of make-believe, that Trump is a criminal?

Mueller told you very clearly that if he could have cleared Trump of obstruction, he would have. He could not. Now given that he did so in Vol1, it's not hard to see what he meant.

That doesn't mean he could prove it in a court of law either.

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And that is exactly why Mueller is leaving it to congress. The bar for impeachment and removal from office is lower than conviction in a criminal court because many of the possible charges fall under the category of bad conduct. The founding fathers had this crazy idea that elected officials should be held to higher standards than the public.

 

[M14 Shooter]

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,”

Yawn.

"Three basic elements are common to most of the relevant obstruction statutes: (1) an obstructive act; (2) a nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and (3) a corrupt intent."

"As an initial matter, the term “corruptly” sets a demanding standard. It requires a concrete showing that a person acted with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others.”

Please cite the text of the report where Mueller concretely demonstrates Trump acted corruptly - with an intent to obtain an “improper advantage for [him]self or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others in relation of ANY of those 10 "possibly obstructive" acts.

Let me save you some time:
You won't.
Because you can't.
Because it isn't there.

Can you wait until the impeachment hearings when all you want to know will be answered?His ass will be grass and congress will be the lawn mower

Because your feelings tell you so.