New AZ law - Welfare ends after 12 months

[daws101]

If they'd toss out all the illegal aliens collecting benefits there'd be money for poor CITIZENS.

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

Reality doesn't live on your block?

What makes you think that illegal immigrants only take low-skill jobs? The average income, in 2007, for an illegal immigrant was $36,000 ... SOMEBODY is making more than $8/hour. A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States Pew Research Center

I do like how you use stereotyping as some kind of proofing of invalid observations.

it's a certainty it des not live in yours.
$36.000 is chump change
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btw you had no answer for the very real not enough jobs low sill high skill or anything in between
also ....in most illegal immigrant everybody works that's how that make it work.

 

[Spare_change]

If they'd toss out all the illegal aliens collecting benefits there'd be money for poor CITIZENS.

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

Reality doesn't live on your block?

What makes you think that illegal immigrants only take low-skill jobs? The average income, in 2007, for an illegal immigrant was $36,000 ... SOMEBODY is making more than $8/hour. A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States Pew Research Center

I do like how you use stereotyping as some kind of proofing of invalid observations.

it's a certainty it des not live in yours.
$36.000 is chump change
Rent Per Month [Edit] Avg.
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 975.01 $
600.00



1,500.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 764.69 $
500.00



1,100.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,688.51 $
1,000.00



2,700.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,293.77 $
880.00



2,000.00
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None of this, of course, has anything to do with the subject under discussion,

You were whining that there weren't enough low skill jobs for illegals, when the truth is, they don't all work at low skill jobs - that invalidates your position.

Please do not try to deflect from the issue under discussion.

 

[Spare_change]

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

Reality doesn't live on your block?

What makes you think that illegal immigrants only take low-skill jobs? The average income, in 2007, for an illegal immigrant was $36,000 ... SOMEBODY is making more than $8/hour. A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States Pew Research Center

I do like how you use stereotyping as some kind of proofing of invalid observations.

it's a certainty it des not live in yours.
$36.000 is chump change
Rent Per Month [Edit] Avg.
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 975.01 $
600.00



1,500.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 764.69 $
500.00



1,100.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,688.51 $
1,000.00



2,700.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,293.77 $
880.00



2,000.00
Cost of Living in United States. Prices in United States. Updated May 2015

btw you had no answer for the very real not enough jobs low sill high skill or anything in between
also ....in most illegal immigrant everybody works that's how that make it work.

You're aware, of course, that the unemployment rate for illegals is lower than it is for our black citizens.

Unemployment Rate May Be Lower For Illegal Immigrants in US Than Nation s Black Citizens - Leah Barkoukis

Maybe you need to focus your empathy somewhere else.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

If they'd toss out all the illegal aliens collecting benefits there'd be money for poor CITIZENS.

Facing 1 Billion Deficit Arizona Sharply Limits Welfare - US News

may 18 2015
PHOENIX (AP) — Facing a $1 billion budget deficit, Arizona's Republican-led Legislature has reduced the lifetime limit for welfare recipients to the shortest window in the nation.

Low-income families on welfare will now have their benefits cut off after just 12 months.

As a result, the Arizona Department of Economic Security will drop at least 1,600 families — including more than 2,700 children — from the state's federally funded welfare program on July 1, 2016.

The cuts of at least $4 million reflect a prevailing mood among the lawmakers in control in Arizona that welfare, Medicaid and other public assistance programs are crutches that keep the poor from getting back on their feet and achieving their potential

Most states impose a five-year limit on welfare benefits. Thirteen states limit it to two years or less, and Texas has a tiered time limit that can be as little as 12 months but allows children to continue to receive funding even after the parents have been cut, welfare policy analyst Liz Schott said.

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

The bullshit is only coming from you. I am so happy for those people who are now collecting welfare. In 12 months they will finally have self worth. Shame they have to be forced off, but they will be thankful later.

 

[daws101]

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

Reality doesn't live on your block?

What makes you think that illegal immigrants only take low-skill jobs? The average income, in 2007, for an illegal immigrant was $36,000 ... SOMEBODY is making more than $8/hour. A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States Pew Research Center

I do like how you use stereotyping as some kind of proofing of invalid observations.

it's a certainty it des not live in yours.
$36.000 is chump change
Rent Per Month [Edit] Avg.
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 975.01 $
600.00



1,500.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 764.69 $
500.00



1,100.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,688.51 $
1,000.00



2,700.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,293.77 $
880.00



2,000.00
Cost of Living in United States. Prices in United States. Updated May 2015

None of this, of course, has anything to do with the subject under discussion,

You were whining that there weren't enough low skill jobs for illegals, when the truth is, they don't all work at low skill jobs - that invalidates your position.

Please do not try to deflect from the issue under discussion.

it has everything to do with the issue you willful ignorance about it is hilarious.

 

[daws101]

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

Reality doesn't live on your block?

What makes you think that illegal immigrants only take low-skill jobs? The average income, in 2007, for an illegal immigrant was $36,000 ... SOMEBODY is making more than $8/hour. A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States Pew Research Center

I do like how you use stereotyping as some kind of proofing of invalid observations.

it's a certainty it des not live in yours.
$36.000 is chump change
Rent Per Month [Edit] Avg.
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 975.01 $
600.00



1,500.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 764.69 $
500.00



1,100.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 1,688.51 $
1,000.00



2,700.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 1,293.77 $
880.00



2,000.00
Cost of Living in United States. Prices in United States. Updated May 2015

btw you had no answer for the very real not enough jobs low sill high skill or anything in between
also ....in most illegal immigrant everybody works that's how that make it work.

You're aware, of course, that the unemployment rate for illegals is lower than it is for our black citizens.

Unemployment Rate May Be Lower For Illegal Immigrants in US Than Nation s Black Citizens - Leah Barkoukis

Maybe you need to focus your empathy somewhere else.

and?

 

[daws101]

If they'd toss out all the illegal aliens collecting benefits there'd be money for poor CITIZENS.

Facing 1 Billion Deficit Arizona Sharply Limits Welfare - US News

may 18 2015
PHOENIX (AP) — Facing a $1 billion budget deficit, Arizona's Republican-led Legislature has reduced the lifetime limit for welfare recipients to the shortest window in the nation.

Low-income families on welfare will now have their benefits cut off after just 12 months.

As a result, the Arizona Department of Economic Security will drop at least 1,600 families — including more than 2,700 children — from the state's federally funded welfare program on July 1, 2016.

The cuts of at least $4 million reflect a prevailing mood among the lawmakers in control in Arizona that welfare, Medicaid and other public assistance programs are crutches that keep the poor from getting back on their feet and achieving their potential

Most states impose a five-year limit on welfare benefits. Thirteen states limit it to two years or less, and Texas has a tiered time limit that can be as little as 12 months but allows children to continue to receive funding even after the parents have been cut, welfare policy analyst Liz Schott said.

Oh good, homeless people desperate and destitute are MUCH better than housed and fed ones. Not like people turn to crime or anything when situations become dire.

They will find work. I can promise that. You liberals need to learn what motivates people to work. Starvation is a chief motivator. Trust us, they will get jobs even washing dishes. You have to know that if you keep paying out welfare checks, they won't get off welfare. I assume you work? Why doesn't it piss you off knowing there are welfare cheats gaming the system while you bust your ass 9 to 5?

best bullshit of the day... there are not enough low skill or no skill jobs available .
you can tell that lie to yourself but in reality it aint happening.

The bullshit is only coming from you. I am so happy for those people who are now collecting welfare. In 12 months they will finally have self worth. Shame they have to be forced off, but they will be thankful later.

The total number of jobs in the United States is just under 134 million. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics's site 2009.*



Though there is no accurate reflection of the total population, estimates range from 310 million, upwards of 340 million, as of February 2010. Illegal immigrant population estimated at 11.2 million.



Discounting the under-aged (16 years of age, or younger) 68 million, discounting the over-aged (65 years of age and upwards) 37 million, and discounting the disabled (any age, some of which overlap with the over and under-aged and many of whom maintain employment) 51 million. The total number of United States citizens available for the work force is, 154-184 million individuals.**


Estimation of "true" unemployment is at 23%-27.2%, conservatively.


According to a 2009 article from TIME Magazine, males between the ages of 25-64 are at an unemployment rate of 80.1% within the United States. This is not reflected in the overall findings of this article. No gender, race, religious, or economic factors are calculated into these findings.



*Full and part time positions are being cut at a rate of tens to hundreds of thousands a month, since the completion of the BoLS's last employment findings.



**It is estimated that 15% of senior citizens and 40% of people with disabilities hold full, or part time employment. Though for this article, no one with disabilities, or people over the age of 65 was counted as being employed.


http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/10statab/labor.pdf
http://www.realising-potential.org/stakeholder-factbox/disabled-people-worldwide
http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SeniorStats/5-04-25SeniorFacts.htm
http://www.surveysez.com/People/united-states-population.html
To sum it all up you're ignorant as fuck if you go around telling people to just get a job like there enough to go around.

 

[Spare_change]

... and you try to drum up faux sympathy for illegals because they can't find jobs here .... I suppose that's why they stopped coming, huh?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

You're aware, of course, that the unemployment rate for illegals is lower than it is for our black citizens.

.

If that's true it's only because illegals have a much tougher time getting welfare. If they were made citizens they would all go on the dole.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Though there is no accurate reflection of the total population, estimates range from 310 million, upwards of 340 million, as of February 2010. Illegal immigrant population estimated at 11.2 million.

Oh please stop with that ridiculous 11 million number. The govt has been saying that for 40 years. Everyone knows the number of illegal invaders is 30-40 million.

 

[Darkwind]

The Legislature also passed a law seeking to force anyone getting Medicaid to have a job, and cutting off those benefits after five years. And Republican leaders are suing their own state to block a centerpiece of President Barack Obama's health care law, which expanded Medicaid to give more poor people health insurance.

If they prevail, more than 300,000 poor Arizonans could lose their coverage.

Just more evidence that Republicans hate poor people - even if it doesn't cost the state anything.

You have quotes by every republican that they said they are doing this because they hate poor people?

 

[Darkwind]

let's see if I have this right, conservative want to erase welfare and Medicare ?
do they have a contingency plan to fight the millions of starving people who will without doubt l be forced to rob, murder and do massive harm to the country just to survive.
will they call in the army to depose of all the diseased riddled corpses from non treatment of illness?
or do they just plan to shoot the poor.

Wow.....go over the top much?

 

[daws101]

... and you try to drum up faux sympathy for illegals because they can't find jobs here .... I suppose that's why they stopped coming, huh?

Non Sequitur

 

[daws101]

Though there is no accurate reflection of the total population, estimates range from 310 million, upwards of 340 million, as of February 2010. Illegal immigrant population estimated at 11.2 million.

Oh please stop with that ridiculous 11 million number. The govt has been saying that for 40 years. Everyone knows the number of illegal invaders is 30-40 million.

right.....got a link to back up that steaming pile? if not shut the fuck up .

 

[daws101]

let's see if I have this right, conservative want to erase welfare and Medicare ?
do they have a contingency plan to fight the millions of starving people who will without doubt l be forced to rob, murder and do massive harm to the country just to survive.
will they call in the army to depose of all the diseased riddled corpses from non treatment of illness?
or do they just plan to shoot the poor.

Wow.....go over the top much?

not at all ..funny coming from a guy who believes in a magic sky fairy...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

“The cuts of at least $4 million reflect a prevailing mood among the lawmakers in control in Arizona that welfare, Medicaid and other public assistance programs are crutches that keep the poor from getting back on their feet and achieving their potential.”

Arizona sharply limits welfare to 12 months

Ignorant, unsubstantiated nonsense – it's this sort of blind adherence to errant, failed conservative dogma that renders most on the right incapable of responsible governance

'Long-term welfare recipients are often the most vulnerable, suffering from mental and physical disabilities, poor job histories and little education, she said. But without welfare, they'll likely show up in other ways that will cost taxpayers, from emergency rooms to shelters to the criminal justice system, Schott said.

"The reason they are on public assistance is because many of them are not really succeeding in the workforce," said Schott, a senior fellow at the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities, a non-partisan research organization.' ibid

Exactly.

This unwarranted measure is solely punitive, and will only end up costing Arizona taxpayers more in the long run.

Rather than seeking to punish those on public assistance who are receiving benefits through no fault of their own, every state should instead invest in employment and training programs allowing low income individuals and families to become self-sufficient.

All Arizona republicans are doing – as are other republican in other states – is making the situation worse, prolonging poverty, and exacerbating the problems faced by the most vulnerable members of society.

How does less welfare end up costing more? Come on, connect the dots here.

 

[Spare_change]

... and you try to drum up faux sympathy for illegals because they can't find jobs here .... I suppose that's why they stopped coming, huh?

Non Sequitur

You REALLY shouldn't use phrases you don't understand ...

 

[daws101]

... and you try to drum up faux sympathy for illegals because they can't find jobs here .... I suppose that's why they stopped coming, huh?

Non Sequitur

You REALLY shouldn't use phrases you don't understand ...

oh no! not the You REALLY shouldn't use phrases you don't understand Non Sequitur again!