New development in the shooting case of the black georgia jogger

[theHawk]

Facts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals

vs.

The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.

The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.

Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.

Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.

Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???

Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democrats

And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?

They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.

Oh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.

you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terrorist

Well they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?

In self defense? You terrorist

It wasn't in self defense. Georgia law does not protect the aggressor in an altercation with self defense. And Travis McMichael was the aggressor by arming himself with no knowledge of Arbery but with the intent to chase him down and stop him.

We clearly see the black kid darting in front of the truck to attack the son.. standing there with a shotgun is not an active and aggression he saying stop stop we want to talk to you

Liar, McMichael couldn't have just been standing there. Scotty didn't beam him from about 4 feet to the left of the truck to being in front of it.

He was asking him to stop so they could talk..

Which brings me back to ... with Travis block the road with a shotgun, why should Arbery have assumed they only wanted to talk?

Because they had been chasing the person for a good time. There is more info on this in the police report. But it is very inconceivable that at this point, he did not know what the deal was.

There was no reason for them to stop Arbery so there was no reason for why Arbery would know why they wanted him to stop.

They suspected him of burglary.

He was reported to 911.

No reason? Please...

How did they know he was suspected of burglary if the call went to 911?

The police report says:

According to the initial police report, the McMichaels told police that they pursued Arbery because he resembled a suspect in a string of local burglaries.

And soon we will almost certainly find out that he WAS the man behind the burglaries. And leftists will moan and cry as usual when their fake news story gets destroyed piece by piece.

Ok on the day of the shooting what did her burglarize?

The dwelling under construction.

Liar. There is no evidence Arbery burglarized that house. The 911 caller did not say anything was taken. The homeowner said nothing was taken. The video of Arbery inside the home does not show him taking anything or looking to take anything.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

Nothing needed to be taken, dumbass.
Merely being in the dwelling without permission is considered burglary in Georgia.

See my previous post, you won’t like it!

No, it's not. Merely being in the building may qualify for trespassing.

What do you think the difference is between trespassing and burglary?

Trespassing can be charged in public places, and other types of property such as vehicles and boats. Usually associated with damaging the property.

However if the property is a dwelling, then first degree burglary it is. Sorry to break it to you.

But is it a dwelling? Nope. Right now it’s lumber. Nobody is dwelling there because the damn thing is wide open. Nobody has as of yet ever dwelled there, you can see that by the video. It’s property at the moment not living space so it could be argued that the only thing that happened is trespass and not burglary. You don’t kill people for trespassing. You sure as hell don’t kill someone if you DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY! How did the McMichaels know that Arbery wasn’t one of the people working on the house? Arbery could have been a friend of the owner with permission to be there. McMichaels didn’t approach him nicely and question why Arbery was there. They grabbed guns, blocked his path and shot him twice in the chest no questions asked and worst of all IT WASN’T THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Hey they got a place for somone like you in hollywood....writing fiction for some of their idiotic movies.

Anyhow most of what you mention is irrelevant....the only thing relevant to this case is the fact that the black guy attacked a white guy with a shotgun....the video makes that clear....why do liberals refuse to watch the video?

Let me guess...afraid of the truth?

Honestly, it takes a special kind of idiot to completely dismiss as irrelevant the fact that the two guys armed themselves and then got in a pick up and chased this guy down. That will actually be at the very center of this case and, if you don't understand why, you should probably stop commenting.

By the way, I'm a white guy in his late 50's, conservative, NRA member, CWP holder, I carry every day and I hate criminals.

I am profoundly confident in my belief that Travis McMichael and Gregory McMichael will be found guilty of the charges against them and will that they will spend a very, very long time in prison...

In my book being a conservative means being able to conserve something. With this attitude, you won't be able to conserve even your pants, let alone due process or America. You do understand the case is a manufactured case by people who hate you? Literal socialist propaganda and you are slurping it up like a dog.

No. This case is literally a textbook do not do that literally tens of thousands of gun owners have been trained on. Literally.

First. Do not pull or point your weapon unless you intend to use it. Travis broke that rule jumping out of his truck intending to hold the AA at gunpoint for the cops. Second. Do not go looking for trouble. Travis broke that rule too as did Daddy. It was never going to end well. Not in Georgia. Georgia where hundreds of people are in prison right now for Aggravated Assault.

Third. If you do shoot someone shit your fucking mouth. Say nothing until you have a lawyer. Both of the McMichaels broke that rule which is why we have a statement to police that the “conservatives” are busy ignoring.

Fourth. Never forget your license to carry is not a badge and you are not a cop. You do not have powers of arrest. So even the attempt to stop AA was a crime. Especially as part of an armed posse of self appointed yahoos.

Now many people have said that the Aggravated Assault statute was too restrictive. There were meetings in the State Senate to change it. No way it gets changed now. Not with the McMorons literally demonstrating that all the doom and gloom predictions by the anti gunners are totally true. They have set back the effort to protect gun owners by at least a decade.

Worse yet we have to rehash the fucking Hate Crimes law again. So that is going to be an election issue this year thanks to the notoriously corrupt D.A. in Glynn County. Again.

So no. Conservatives are not conserving or preserving. OK. They are preserving the worst traits and stereotypes from history. That is not a thing to proclaim. Not if you consider your beliefs to be based in law and order.

Conservative pundits including those with law degrees disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Cops in Georgia disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Lawyers, Judges, and the gun owners I know. Friends and acquaintances. My neighbors and folks around town alike all say that this was the worst shooting we have had in decades. But they are all wrong and you are right.

Precedence in Georgia law says you are wrong. But anyone who says so is a black apologist to you blithering idiots.

I said it many pages in this thread ago. If you really want to help the McMichaels start collecting money. Because they are going to need a million dollars or more to have any chance at defending themselves in court. The Prosecutor will have access to unlimited funds and power.

You idiots are not helping the McMichaels or your cause. If you want to help, write a check and send it to his family. They are going to need it. Because I figure they have about one chance in ten of a hung jury. They have almost no chance of complete exoneration. But with enough money and a good enough lawyer they might be able to plea bargain themselves out in five to ten. Because the Jury will send them up for twenty to life if it goes to trial. The McMichaels are not going to be facing a rookie Prosecutor. They are going up against the Varsity. The best in the State. All because the Good Old Boys club tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sadly. If they had been arrested at the time of the shooting for the same charges, they might have gotten off with three years or less. Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault. Now to show the outrage at the abuse of position for the Prosecutor in Glynn County they are going for the Max. And the Prosecutors who tried to sweep it under the rug are up for a review which could lose them their law licenses. Corruption runs deep in Georgia. But when it is exposed they throw those few to the wolves to protect the rest.

We have been trying to tell you idiots. But you won’t listen. So keep talking. And keep pushing your insane ideals. I bet you can talk Travis right into death row. He was a hot head who grabbed a gun and in this State that is an express ticket to an extended stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

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You keep making stuff up....no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint.....thousands of people in Georgia and other states carry guns around with no intent to hold anyone ....that is just some braindead fantasy you have manufactured...completely absurd.

Also a rule is not a law....some gun club or shooting instructor may tell the students do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it....might be good advice in certain situations but not all situations.

Pulling a gun means pulling it out of the holster or your pocket.....how do you pull out a shotgun hehheh. You are so ridiculous.

Then you say Travis jumped out of his truck...trying to make it sound like when the black moron ran up to the truck Travis just jumped out and shot him....more spinning on your part....Travis was out of the truck quite a while before travis ran up on the truck....Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked and even then he had a very difficult time to get it pointed in a manner to score a lethal shot as the Negro kept grabbing the gun...but the black dudes real big mistake was letting go of the gun in order to start punching Travis...this allowed Travis to get a clean shot at his attacker and dispatch the insane negro...Kudos for Travis.

Then you mention aggravated assault....I seriously doubt you have a good understanding of what that is ...especially in this case....you cite laws but as has been said you do not have the intelligence needed to adequately interpet the law. Sure you have been around para-legals but that obviously has not helped you...if you had actually gone to law school you might have learned a bit about how to interpet and apply law....you attempt over and over to use the law to subvert the truth....you fail everytime.

Again and again and again you claim they had no right to make a citizens arrest....bullshite....I cited the Georgia law on that and others have as well.....and here it is again..................In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The older white guy had knowledge of a crime from watching a video of the black dude trespassing hence he was entitled to make a citizens arrest....though he did not make a citizens arrest nor attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Thus you keep citing irrelevant bullshit....because you do not want to get down to the nitty gritty of this case aka what is really relevant....so your ramble and ramble trying to divert everyones attention away from the fact that the black dude is the one who committed assault and the jury will have no problem understanding that when they see the video and that is why the blacks got so upset with the guy for releasing the video...it clearly shows the black dude comitting assault.

You also conveiniently forget the elder McMichael had decades of law enforcement experience....he was not just some yahoo as you want to claim.

I do agree with you they should not have been talking without a lawyer....a lot of innocent people make that mistake...thinking because they are innocent they have nothing to worry about....failing to understand how whatever the say can be twisted or in some cases words have been added to their statements they did not even make in order to convict them....thus it is good advice to tell everyone...if you ever get involved with the criminal justice system....just shut up and tell them you want a lawyer.

Then you talk about a 'posse' in another effort to spin a scenario that did not exist aka a group out to lynch some negro....there was the Father and there was the son and they were not out to lynch anyone....they simply wanted this guy caught in order to protect their neighborhood....and there is little doubt that the negro was a danger to the community....as he had well demonstrated previously....carrying a loaded weapon to school, stealing, having a mental history, assault and wandering around at night going into and onto other folks property...if anyone does not see the danger in that they have no business commenting on this case.

Then you go on and on about how they are ceretain to be convicted....ridiculous...of course they will need a good lawyer but that is true of just about everyone that has been charged with a crime....the state actually has a very weak case.....especially with the video and the criminal history of the black guy not even to mention his mental health history.... a lot of folks thought just like you when they predicted George Zimmerman would go to jail....Z prevailed and he did not even have a video to prove the black guy assaulted him...what he did have going for him was a honest jury who saw through the states efforts to railroad a innocent man.

Thus in this case if the McMichaels can also get a honest jury....without a majority of negroes on it...then they should prevail....if there are a lot of negroes on it then the likliehood of a hung jury is very probable.

I do not see them convicted in any way shape or form....they may have to have
two or three trials before the state understands they will not be able to convict them but eventually they will walk.

"In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrestsomeone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Great, what felony did Arbery commit that was witnessed by McMichael or that he had immediate knowledge of?

They knew him from other times he was trespassing and stealing.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

"no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint..

LOLOL

Suuure, uh-huh.

Travis was just standing in Arbery's path with a loaded shotgun while yelling, "stop," because he was really just auditioning for American Idol.

His pappy was filming a hunting documentary from the bed of truck. Where is that video btw?

Anyway, Mac is gonna shit his pants when he sees this

Ahmaud Arbery shooting video: The gunshots

A legal expert tells USA TODAY that the moments missing from view are what both sides can use to "inject their own narrative" in Ahmaud Arbery's case.

www.usatoday.com

THE GUNSHOTS

Ahmaud Arbery video: Legal experts break down how key frames may be used in murder trial

Legal experts say key moments in the video showing Ahmaud Arbery's death will be used by both sides in the case to explain the suspects' actions.

www.google.com

 

[Faun]

Facts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals

vs.

The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.

The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.

Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.

Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.

Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???

Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democrats

And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?

They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.

Oh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.

you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terrorist

Well they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?

In self defense? You terrorist

It wasn't in self defense. Georgia law does not protect the aggressor in an altercation with self defense. And Travis McMichael was the aggressor by arming himself with no knowledge of Arbery but with the intent to chase him down and stop him.

We clearly see the black kid darting in front of the truck to attack the son.. standing there with a shotgun is not an active and aggression he saying stop stop we want to talk to you

Liar, McMichael couldn't have just been standing there. Scotty didn't beam him from about 4 feet to the left of the truck to being in front of it.

He was asking him to stop so they could talk..

Which brings me back to ... with Travis block the road with a shotgun, why should Arbery have assumed they only wanted to talk?

Because they had been chasing the person for a good time. There is more info on this in the police report. But it is very inconceivable that at this point, he did not know what the deal was.

There was no reason for them to stop Arbery so there was no reason for why Arbery would know why they wanted him to stop.

They suspected him of burglary.

He was reported to 911.

No reason? Please...

How did they know he was suspected of burglary if the call went to 911?

The police report says:

According to the initial police report, the McMichaels told police that they pursued Arbery because he resembled a suspect in a string of local burglaries.

And soon we will almost certainly find out that he WAS the man behind the burglaries. And leftists will moan and cry as usual when their fake news story gets destroyed piece by piece.

Ok on the day of the shooting what did her burglarize?

The dwelling under construction.

Liar. There is no evidence Arbery burglarized that house. The 911 caller did not say anything was taken. The homeowner said nothing was taken. The video of Arbery inside the home does not show him taking anything or looking to take anything.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

Nothing needed to be taken, dumbass.
Merely being in the dwelling without permission is considered burglary in Georgia.

See my previous post, you won’t like it!

No, it's not. Merely being in the building may qualify for trespassing.

What do you think the difference is between trespassing and burglary?

Trespassing can be charged in public places, and other types of property such as vehicles and boats. Usually associated with damaging the property.

However if the property is a dwelling, then first degree burglary it is. Sorry to break it to you.

But is it a dwelling? Nope. Right now it’s lumber. Nobody is dwelling there because the damn thing is wide open. Nobody has as of yet ever dwelled there, you can see that by the video. It’s property at the moment not living space so it could be argued that the only thing that happened is trespass and not burglary. You don’t kill people for trespassing. You sure as hell don’t kill someone if you DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY! How did the McMichaels know that Arbery wasn’t one of the people working on the house? Arbery could have been a friend of the owner with permission to be there. McMichaels didn’t approach him nicely and question why Arbery was there. They grabbed guns, blocked his path and shot him twice in the chest no questions asked and worst of all IT WASN’T THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Hey they got a place for somone like you in hollywood....writing fiction for some of their idiotic movies.

Anyhow most of what you mention is irrelevant....the only thing relevant to this case is the fact that the black guy attacked a white guy with a shotgun....the video makes that clear....why do liberals refuse to watch the video?

Let me guess...afraid of the truth?

Honestly, it takes a special kind of idiot to completely dismiss as irrelevant the fact that the two guys armed themselves and then got in a pick up and chased this guy down. That will actually be at the very center of this case and, if you don't understand why, you should probably stop commenting.

By the way, I'm a white guy in his late 50's, conservative, NRA member, CWP holder, I carry every day and I hate criminals.

I am profoundly confident in my belief that Travis McMichael and Gregory McMichael will be found guilty of the charges against them and will that they will spend a very, very long time in prison...

In my book being a conservative means being able to conserve something. With this attitude, you won't be able to conserve even your pants, let alone due process or America. You do understand the case is a manufactured case by people who hate you? Literal socialist propaganda and you are slurping it up like a dog.

No. This case is literally a textbook do not do that literally tens of thousands of gun owners have been trained on. Literally.

First. Do not pull or point your weapon unless you intend to use it. Travis broke that rule jumping out of his truck intending to hold the AA at gunpoint for the cops. Second. Do not go looking for trouble. Travis broke that rule too as did Daddy. It was never going to end well. Not in Georgia. Georgia where hundreds of people are in prison right now for Aggravated Assault.

Third. If you do shoot someone shit your fucking mouth. Say nothing until you have a lawyer. Both of the McMichaels broke that rule which is why we have a statement to police that the “conservatives” are busy ignoring.

Fourth. Never forget your license to carry is not a badge and you are not a cop. You do not have powers of arrest. So even the attempt to stop AA was a crime. Especially as part of an armed posse of self appointed yahoos.

Now many people have said that the Aggravated Assault statute was too restrictive. There were meetings in the State Senate to change it. No way it gets changed now. Not with the McMorons literally demonstrating that all the doom and gloom predictions by the anti gunners are totally true. They have set back the effort to protect gun owners by at least a decade.

Worse yet we have to rehash the fucking Hate Crimes law again. So that is going to be an election issue this year thanks to the notoriously corrupt D.A. in Glynn County. Again.

So no. Conservatives are not conserving or preserving. OK. They are preserving the worst traits and stereotypes from history. That is not a thing to proclaim. Not if you consider your beliefs to be based in law and order.

Conservative pundits including those with law degrees disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Cops in Georgia disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Lawyers, Judges, and the gun owners I know. Friends and acquaintances. My neighbors and folks around town alike all say that this was the worst shooting we have had in decades. But they are all wrong and you are right.

Precedence in Georgia law says you are wrong. But anyone who says so is a black apologist to you blithering idiots.

I said it many pages in this thread ago. If you really want to help the McMichaels start collecting money. Because they are going to need a million dollars or more to have any chance at defending themselves in court. The Prosecutor will have access to unlimited funds and power.

You idiots are not helping the McMichaels or your cause. If you want to help, write a check and send it to his family. They are going to need it. Because I figure they have about one chance in ten of a hung jury. They have almost no chance of complete exoneration. But with enough money and a good enough lawyer they might be able to plea bargain themselves out in five to ten. Because the Jury will send them up for twenty to life if it goes to trial. The McMichaels are not going to be facing a rookie Prosecutor. They are going up against the Varsity. The best in the State. All because the Good Old Boys club tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sadly. If they had been arrested at the time of the shooting for the same charges, they might have gotten off with three years or less. Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault. Now to show the outrage at the abuse of position for the Prosecutor in Glynn County they are going for the Max. And the Prosecutors who tried to sweep it under the rug are up for a review which could lose them their law licenses. Corruption runs deep in Georgia. But when it is exposed they throw those few to the wolves to protect the rest.

We have been trying to tell you idiots. But you won’t listen. So keep talking. And keep pushing your insane ideals. I bet you can talk Travis right into death row. He was a hot head who grabbed a gun and in this State that is an express ticket to an extended stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

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You keep making stuff up....no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint.....thousands of people in Georgia and other states carry guns around with no intent to hold anyone ....that is just some braindead fantasy you have manufactured...completely absurd.

Also a rule is not a law....some gun club or shooting instructor may tell the students do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it....might be good advice in certain situations but not all situations.

Pulling a gun means pulling it out of the holster or your pocket.....how do you pull out a shotgun hehheh. You are so ridiculous.

Then you say Travis jumped out of his truck...trying to make it sound like when the black moron ran up to the truck Travis just jumped out and shot him....more spinning on your part....Travis was out of the truck quite a while before travis ran up on the truck....Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked and even then he had a very difficult time to get it pointed in a manner to score a lethal shot as the Negro kept grabbing the gun...but the black dudes real big mistake was letting go of the gun in order to start punching Travis...this allowed Travis to get a clean shot at his attacker and dispatch the insane negro...Kudos for Travis.

Then you mention aggravated assault....I seriously doubt you have a good understanding of what that is ...especially in this case....you cite laws but as has been said you do not have the intelligence needed to adequately interpet the law. Sure you have been around para-legals but that obviously has not helped you...if you had actually gone to law school you might have learned a bit about how to interpet and apply law....you attempt over and over to use the law to subvert the truth....you fail everytime.

Again and again and again you claim they had no right to make a citizens arrest....bullshite....I cited the Georgia law on that and others have as well.....and here it is again..................In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The older white guy had knowledge of a crime from watching a video of the black dude trespassing hence he was entitled to make a citizens arrest....though he did not make a citizens arrest nor attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Thus you keep citing irrelevant bullshit....because you do not want to get down to the nitty gritty of this case aka what is really relevant....so your ramble and ramble trying to divert everyones attention away from the fact that the black dude is the one who committed assault and the jury will have no problem understanding that when they see the video and that is why the blacks got so upset with the guy for releasing the video...it clearly shows the black dude comitting assault.

You also conveiniently forget the elder McMichael had decades of law enforcement experience....he was not just some yahoo as you want to claim.

I do agree with you they should not have been talking without a lawyer....a lot of innocent people make that mistake...thinking because they are innocent they have nothing to worry about....failing to understand how whatever the say can be twisted or in some cases words have been added to their statements they did not even make in order to convict them....thus it is good advice to tell everyone...if you ever get involved with the criminal justice system....just shut up and tell them you want a lawyer.

Then you talk about a 'posse' in another effort to spin a scenario that did not exist aka a group out to lynch some negro....there was the Father and there was the son and they were not out to lynch anyone....they simply wanted this guy caught in order to protect their neighborhood....and there is little doubt that the negro was a danger to the community....as he had well demonstrated previously....carrying a loaded weapon to school, stealing, having a mental history, assault and wandering around at night going into and onto other folks property...if anyone does not see the danger in that they have no business commenting on this case.

Then you go on and on about how they are ceretain to be convicted....ridiculous...of course they will need a good lawyer but that is true of just about everyone that has been charged with a crime....the state actually has a very weak case.....especially with the video and the criminal history of the black guy not even to mention his mental health history.... a lot of folks thought just like you when they predicted George Zimmerman would go to jail....Z prevailed and he did not even have a video to prove the black guy assaulted him...what he did have going for him was a honest jury who saw through the states efforts to railroad a innocent man.

Thus in this case if the McMichaels can also get a honest jury....without a majority of negroes on it...then they should prevail....if there are a lot of negroes on it then the likliehood of a hung jury is very probable.

I do not see them convicted in any way shape or form....they may have to have
two or three trials before the state understands they will not be able to convict them but eventually they will walk.

"In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrestsomeone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

Great, what felony did Arbery commit that was witnessed by McMichael or that he had immediate knowledge of?

They knew him from other times he was trespassing and stealing.

What did he steal?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked a

You are saying Travis did not point the shotgun at (Arbury) until he was attackedzx

You need to stop telling that lie

The first shot is in front of the truck and you cannot say where the gun was pointed.

So quit lying

IF we get pappy’s video and his coward son Is on that video shooting at
arberry do you bail on your white extremist gun nut brethren or not?

 

[Norman]

Can someone find the complete 911 call?

I just realized that the white person may have been on the phone with 911 up to the first shot fired.

So yes, they were definitely there to murder the black person in cold blood, while recording it all for 911, because obviously they are a bunch of racists there, enjoying some black murder democrat KKK style.

 

[Norman]

Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked a

You are saying Travis did not point the shotgun at (Arbury) until he was attackedzx

You need to stop telling that lie

The first shot is in front of the truck and you cannot say where the gun was pointed.

So quit lying

IF we get pappy’s video and his coward son Is on that video shooting at
arberry do you bail on your white extremist gun nut brethren or not?

This may be how it works in your socialist utopia, but not America. Here you are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

There is no evidence he pointed the shotgun at anything.

 

[SavannahMann]

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The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

his lawyer said that, most likely because hes getting threats, but he did pass our images of AA breaking in many times

Yeah, I call bull on that. On the 911 you hear a caller detailing how this is not the first time. The entire neighborhood was aware.

Only the police did not seem to be aware since no reports were ever filed.

You got any proof of that or is that just heresay....not that it is relevant but I just get tired of seeing you pulling crap out of your ass.







You got any proof of that?

Satilla Shores break-ins reported months before Ahmaud Arbery's killing

The break-ins in the Brunswick neighborhood Gregory McMichael told police he believed Ahmaud Arbery was responsible for were reported nearly two months before the McMichaels confronted the 25-year-old, police records show.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Nothing since December. Two months and no Burglaries reported to police. On December 8 Travis left his weapon in an unlocked car and it was reported stolen.

 

[SavannahMann]

Facts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals

vs.

The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.

The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.

Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.

Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.

Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???

Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democrats

And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?

They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.

Oh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.

you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terrorist

Well they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?

In self defense? You terrorist

It wasn't in self defense. Georgia law does not protect the aggressor in an altercation with self defense. And Travis McMichael was the aggressor by arming himself with no knowledge of Arbery but with the intent to chase him down and stop him.

We clearly see the black kid darting in front of the truck to attack the son.. standing there with a shotgun is not an active and aggression he saying stop stop we want to talk to you

Liar, McMichael couldn't have just been standing there. Scotty didn't beam him from about 4 feet to the left of the truck to being in front of it.

He was asking him to stop so they could talk..

Which brings me back to ... with Travis block the road with a shotgun, why should Arbery have assumed they only wanted to talk?

Because they had been chasing the person for a good time. There is more info on this in the police report. But it is very inconceivable that at this point, he did not know what the deal was.

There was no reason for them to stop Arbery so there was no reason for why Arbery would know why they wanted him to stop.

They suspected him of burglary.

He was reported to 911.

No reason? Please...

How did they know he was suspected of burglary if the call went to 911?

The police report says:

According to the initial police report, the McMichaels told police that they pursued Arbery because he resembled a suspect in a string of local burglaries.

And soon we will almost certainly find out that he WAS the man behind the burglaries. And leftists will moan and cry as usual when their fake news story gets destroyed piece by piece.

Ok on the day of the shooting what did her burglarize?

The dwelling under construction.

Liar. There is no evidence Arbery burglarized that house. The 911 caller did not say anything was taken. The homeowner said nothing was taken. The video of Arbery inside the home does not show him taking anything or looking to take anything.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

Nothing needed to be taken, dumbass.
Merely being in the dwelling without permission is considered burglary in Georgia.

See my previous post, you won’t like it!

No, it's not. Merely being in the building may qualify for trespassing.

What do you think the difference is between trespassing and burglary?

Trespassing can be charged in public places, and other types of property such as vehicles and boats. Usually associated with damaging the property.

However if the property is a dwelling, then first degree burglary it is. Sorry to break it to you.

But is it a dwelling? Nope. Right now it’s lumber. Nobody is dwelling there because the damn thing is wide open. Nobody has as of yet ever dwelled there, you can see that by the video. It’s property at the moment not living space so it could be argued that the only thing that happened is trespass and not burglary. You don’t kill people for trespassing. You sure as hell don’t kill someone if you DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY! How did the McMichaels know that Arbery wasn’t one of the people working on the house? Arbery could have been a friend of the owner with permission to be there. McMichaels didn’t approach him nicely and question why Arbery was there. They grabbed guns, blocked his path and shot him twice in the chest no questions asked and worst of all IT WASN’T THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Hey they got a place for somone like you in hollywood....writing fiction for some of their idiotic movies.

Anyhow most of what you mention is irrelevant....the only thing relevant to this case is the fact that the black guy attacked a white guy with a shotgun....the video makes that clear....why do liberals refuse to watch the video?

Let me guess...afraid of the truth?

Honestly, it takes a special kind of idiot to completely dismiss as irrelevant the fact that the two guys armed themselves and then got in a pick up and chased this guy down. That will actually be at the very center of this case and, if you don't understand why, you should probably stop commenting.

By the way, I'm a white guy in his late 50's, conservative, NRA member, CWP holder, I carry every day and I hate criminals.

I am profoundly confident in my belief that Travis McMichael and Gregory McMichael will be found guilty of the charges against them and will that they will spend a very, very long time in prison...

In my book being a conservative means being able to conserve something. With this attitude, you won't be able to conserve even your pants, let alone due process or America. You do understand the case is a manufactured case by people who hate you? Literal socialist propaganda and you are slurping it up like a dog.

No. This case is literally a textbook do not do that literally tens of thousands of gun owners have been trained on. Literally.

First. Do not pull or point your weapon unless you intend to use it. Travis broke that rule jumping out of his truck intending to hold the AA at gunpoint for the cops. Second. Do not go looking for trouble. Travis broke that rule too as did Daddy. It was never going to end well. Not in Georgia. Georgia where hundreds of people are in prison right now for Aggravated Assault.

Third. If you do shoot someone shit your fucking mouth. Say nothing until you have a lawyer. Both of the McMichaels broke that rule which is why we have a statement to police that the “conservatives” are busy ignoring.

Fourth. Never forget your license to carry is not a badge and you are not a cop. You do not have powers of arrest. So even the attempt to stop AA was a crime. Especially as part of an armed posse of self appointed yahoos.

Now many people have said that the Aggravated Assault statute was too restrictive. There were meetings in the State Senate to change it. No way it gets changed now. Not with the McMorons literally demonstrating that all the doom and gloom predictions by the anti gunners are totally true. They have set back the effort to protect gun owners by at least a decade.

Worse yet we have to rehash the fucking Hate Crimes law again. So that is going to be an election issue this year thanks to the notoriously corrupt D.A. in Glynn County. Again.

So no. Conservatives are not conserving or preserving. OK. They are preserving the worst traits and stereotypes from history. That is not a thing to proclaim. Not if you consider your beliefs to be based in law and order.

Conservative pundits including those with law degrees disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Cops in Georgia disagree with you. But they are wrong and you are right. Lawyers, Judges, and the gun owners I know. Friends and acquaintances. My neighbors and folks around town alike all say that this was the worst shooting we have had in decades. But they are all wrong and you are right.

Precedence in Georgia law says you are wrong. But anyone who says so is a black apologist to you blithering idiots.

I said it many pages in this thread ago. If you really want to help the McMichaels start collecting money. Because they are going to need a million dollars or more to have any chance at defending themselves in court. The Prosecutor will have access to unlimited funds and power.

You idiots are not helping the McMichaels or your cause. If you want to help, write a check and send it to his family. They are going to need it. Because I figure they have about one chance in ten of a hung jury. They have almost no chance of complete exoneration. But with enough money and a good enough lawyer they might be able to plea bargain themselves out in five to ten. Because the Jury will send them up for twenty to life if it goes to trial. The McMichaels are not going to be facing a rookie Prosecutor. They are going up against the Varsity. The best in the State. All because the Good Old Boys club tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sadly. If they had been arrested at the time of the shooting for the same charges, they might have gotten off with three years or less. Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault. Now to show the outrage at the abuse of position for the Prosecutor in Glynn County they are going for the Max. And the Prosecutors who tried to sweep it under the rug are up for a review which could lose them their law licenses. Corruption runs deep in Georgia. But when it is exposed they throw those few to the wolves to protect the rest.

We have been trying to tell you idiots. But you won’t listen. So keep talking. And keep pushing your insane ideals. I bet you can talk Travis right into death row. He was a hot head who grabbed a gun and in this State that is an express ticket to an extended stay at the Gray Bar Hotel.

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You keep making stuff up....no evidence that Travis intended to hold anyone at gunpoint.....thousands of people in Georgia and other states carry guns around with no intent to hold anyone ....that is just some braindead fantasy you have manufactured...completely absurd.

Also a rule is not a law....some gun club or shooting instructor may tell the students do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it....might be good advice in certain situations but not all situations.

Pulling a gun means pulling it out of the holster or your pocket.....how do you pull out a shotgun hehheh. You are so ridiculous.

Then you say Travis jumped out of his truck...trying to make it sound like when the black moron ran up to the truck Travis just jumped out and shot him....more spinning on your part....Travis was out of the truck quite a while before travis ran up on the truck....Travis did not point the shotgun at Travis until he was attacked and even then he had a very difficult time to get it pointed in a manner to score a lethal shot as the Negro kept grabbing the gun...but the black dudes real big mistake was letting go of the gun in order to start punching Travis...this allowed Travis to get a clean shot at his attacker and dispatch the insane negro...Kudos for Travis.

Then you mention aggravated assault....I seriously doubt you have a good understanding of what that is ...especially in this case....you cite laws but as has been said you do not have the intelligence needed to adequately interpet the law. Sure you have been around para-legals but that obviously has not helped you...if you had actually gone to law school you might have learned a bit about how to interpet and apply law....you attempt over and over to use the law to subvert the truth....you fail everytime.

Again and again and again you claim they had no right to make a citizens arrest....bullshite....I cited the Georgia law on that and others have as well.....and here it is again..................In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

The older white guy had knowledge of a crime from watching a video of the black dude trespassing hence he was entitled to make a citizens arrest....though he did not make a citizens arrest nor attempt to make a citizens arrest.

Thus you keep citing irrelevant bullshit....because you do not want to get down to the nitty gritty of this case aka what is really relevant....so your ramble and ramble trying to divert everyones attention away from the fact that the black dude is the one who committed assault and the jury will have no problem understanding that when they see the video and that is why the blacks got so upset with the guy for releasing the video...it clearly shows the black dude comitting assault.

You also conveiniently forget the elder McMichael had decades of law enforcement experience....he was not just some yahoo as you want to claim.

I do agree with you they should not have been talking without a lawyer....a lot of innocent people make that mistake...thinking because they are innocent they have nothing to worry about....failing to understand how whatever the say can be twisted or in some cases words have been added to their statements they did not even make in order to convict them....thus it is good advice to tell everyone...if you ever get involved with the criminal justice system....just shut up and tell them you want a lawyer.

Then you talk about a 'posse' in another effort to spin a scenario that did not exist aka a group out to lynch some negro....there was the Father and there was the son and they were not out to lynch anyone....they simply wanted this guy caught in order to protect their neighborhood....and there is little doubt that the negro was a danger to the community....as he had well demonstrated previously....carrying a loaded weapon to school, stealing, having a mental history, assault and wandering around at night going into and onto other folks property...if anyone does not see the danger in that they have no business commenting on this case.

Then you go on and on about how they are ceretain to be convicted....ridiculous...of course they will need a good lawyer but that is true of just about everyone that has been charged with a crime....the state actually has a very weak case.....especially with the video and the criminal history of the black guy not even to mention his mental health history.... a lot of folks thought just like you when they predicted George Zimmerman would go to jail....Z prevailed and he did not even have a video to prove the black guy assaulted him...what he did have going for him was a honest jury who saw through the states efforts to railroad a innocent man.

Thus in this case if the McMichaels can also get a honest jury....without a majority of negroes on it...then they should prevail....if there are a lot of negroes on it then the likliehood of a hung jury is very probable.

I do not see them convicted in any way shape or form....they may have to have
two or three trials before the state understands they will not be able to convict them but eventually they will walk.

Well let’s see what an actual lawyer practicing in Georgia says.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

Oh dear. It seems the McMichaels are in a lot of trouble.

If only the actual lawyers were as expert as you are they would see it your way right?

 

[Canon Shooter]

This may be how it works in your socialist utopia, but not America. Here you are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Absolutely correct.

Since it's clear you're such a fan of the rule of law, will you support his conviction when the rule of law finds him guilty?

Or will you be a hypocrite?

There is no evidence he pointed the shotgun at anything.

Well, with the possible exception of the two gaping wounds in Arbery's torso...

 

[Norman]

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The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

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his lawyer said that, most likely because hes getting threats, but he did pass our images of AA breaking in many times

Yeah, I call bull on that. On the 911 you hear a caller detailing how this is not the first time. The entire neighborhood was aware.

Only the police did not seem to be aware since no reports were ever filed.

You got any proof of that or is that just heresay....not that it is relevant but I just get tired of seeing you pulling crap out of your ass.







You got any proof of that?

Satilla Shores break-ins reported months before Ahmaud Arbery's killing

The break-ins in the Brunswick neighborhood Gregory McMichael told police he believed Ahmaud Arbery was responsible for were reported nearly two months before the McMichaels confronted the 25-year-old, police records show.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Nothing since December. Two months and no Burglaries reported to police. On December 8 Travis left his weapon in an unlocked car and it was reported stolen.

False, there is call to 911 by the two white heroes of the story just two weeks before.

Also in the 911 call the other person says it's a repeating occurrence.

 

[SavannahMann]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

Chasing someone with a weapon and SHOOTING someone with a weapon are two different things. It used to be legal to shoot thieves, that's what you are talking about.

 

[Canon Shooter]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Fleeing from a crime scene is initiating the confrontation.

 

[Meathead]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

In the state of Georgia (and I believe this is true in all 50 states) if you initiate a confrontation, you cannot claim self defense. To wit: If I punch you in the face, and you then pick up a stick and hit me with it, I can't claim self defense if I shoot you and kill you.

It's mind boggling to know that there are idiots in this world who do not see someone arming himself, getting into a truck and chasing someone, and then getting out of that truck, with a loaded shotgun, as not initiating a confrontation...

Then how can you make a citizens arrest? To wit: I see a thug running out of my house ... then what happens?

 

[SavannahMann]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

I really think the actual lawyer would know better. Look. The sooner you realize how much peril the McMichaels are in the sooner you can start the bake sales and online fund raising to help them.

If you had read the post I had linked to then you would know the McMichaels hoped legally speaking rest on a motion. If the Judge does not grant that Motion a Not Guilty Verdict is extremely unlikely. The best they can hope for is a Hung Jury. That kicks the can down the road for the second trial.

Because right now you sound like one of those stupid Holiday Inn Express Commercials from years ago.



I have lived in Georgia for nearly thirty years. And even longer than that I have always known you do not talk to the cops. My Father taught me that when you do you will talk yourself into trouble. Daddy McMichaels forgot that rule. There are two possibilities I see for that. Either he was a lousy cop who made Barney Fife look competent by comparison. Or he wanted and expected the locals to protect them with their long history of corruption.

The locals tried. But deciding it was too much of a hot potato tossed it. As I said before. The Good Old Boys club is powerful. But once it is exposed they throw the offenders to the wolves. The wolves greedily chew on the fresh meat. Right now his friends are scrambling to save themselves. The local D.A. is going to be busy defending her actions to save her law license. The second one is doing the same. One or both will probably lose their BAR Card.

This is the reality in Georgia. I would argue it should not be that way. But as I have said before. By Georgia Standards I am pretty Liberal. By San Francisco Standards I am a radical right wing gun nut. One of those reasons I am Liberal by local standards is my support for and advocacy for change in the legal system.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

This may be how it works in your socialist utopia, but not America. Here you are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

There is no evidence he pointed the shotgun at anything.

I’m an American and this aggravated assault and murder is a legal Issue.

All are innocent until proven guilty. It’s amazing however what a a video of the does for proven guilt.

It’s not a matter of guilt being proven only if the weapon was pointed at the victim at some point.

There is indisputable evidence that JUNIOR and SENIOR both brought loaded weapons to a confrontation that they initiated against an unarmed citizen who was no threat ton the community prior to his death.

If you believe in innocence is presumed until proven guilty why are you and your fellow white extremist gun worshippers declaring the black man guilty of assault against an armed man when the moment the first shot was fired neither of the two men are in view.


From studying the video the two men are in-front of a six foot truck, they are occupying that space at the same time . Two feet per man plus two feet length of weapon tells Mr that the Gunman moved to the right to the jogger, the gun went off, The jogger May have suffered a wound and then the two men scuffled over possession of the shotgun a full twenty feet Continually moving to the left when second shot.

Without the video the dead man has no say what. And the shooters could lie to
Save their assess

The video brings us facts and truth that in my opinion will get the two vigilantes severe punishment fire their crime that began when the grabbed loaded weapons and chased an unarmed jogger and try to stop his movement. .

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

I really think the actual lawyer would know better. Look. The sooner you realize how much peril the McMichaels are in the sooner you can start the bake sales and online fund raising to help them.

If you had read the post I had linked to then you would know the McMichaels hoped legally speaking rest on a motion. If the Judge does not grant that Motion a Not Guilty Verdict is extremely unlikely. The best they can hope for is a Hung Jury. That kicks the can down the road for the second trial.

Because right now you sound like one of those stupid Holiday Inn Express Commercials from years ago.



I have lived in Georgia for nearly thirty years. And even longer than that I have always known you do not talk to the cops. My Father taught me that when you do you will talk yourself into trouble. Daddy McMichaels forgot that rule. There are two possibilities I see for that. Either he was a lousy cop who made Barney Fife look competent by comparison. Or he wanted and expected the locals to protect them with their long history of corruption.

The locals tried. But deciding it was too much of a hot potato tossed it. As I said before. The Good Old Boys club is powerful. But once it is exposed they throw the offenders to the wolves. The wolves greedily chew on the fresh meat. Right now his friends are scrambling to save themselves. The local D.A. is going to be busy defending her actions to save her law license. The second one is doing the same. One or both will probably lose their BAR Card.

This is the reality in Georgia. I would argue it should not be that way. But as I have said before. By Georgia Standards I am pretty Liberal. By San Francisco Standards I am a radical right wing gun nut. One of those reasons I am Liberal by local standards is my support for and advocacy for change in the legal system.

The prosecutor did know better. He initially chose not to prosecute.

But then was pressured by bunch of far leftists who wet their pants because a criminal died in the hands of two white people.

Yeah, you are a liberal, just four years later. A conservative who will never conserve anything, especially not America.

 

[SavannahMann]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

I really think the actual lawyer would know better. Look. The sooner you realize how much peril the McMichaels are in the sooner you can start the bake sales and online fund raising to help them.

If you had read the post I had linked to then you would know the McMichaels hoped legally speaking rest on a motion. If the Judge does not grant that Motion a Not Guilty Verdict is extremely unlikely. The best they can hope for is a Hung Jury. That kicks the can down the road for the second trial.

Because right now you sound like one of those stupid Holiday Inn Express Commercials from years ago.



I have lived in Georgia for nearly thirty years. And even longer than that I have always known you do not talk to the cops. My Father taught me that when you do you will talk yourself into trouble. Daddy McMichaels forgot that rule. There are two possibilities I see for that. Either he was a lousy cop who made Barney Fife look competent by comparison. Or he wanted and expected the locals to protect them with their long history of corruption.

The locals tried. But deciding it was too much of a hot potato tossed it. As I said before. The Good Old Boys club is powerful. But once it is exposed they throw the offenders to the wolves. The wolves greedily chew on the fresh meat. Right now his friends are scrambling to save themselves. The local D.A. is going to be busy defending her actions to save her law license. The second one is doing the same. One or both will probably lose their BAR Card.

This is the reality in Georgia. I would argue it should not be that way. But as I have said before. By Georgia Standards I am pretty Liberal. By San Francisco Standards I am a radical right wing gun nut. One of those reasons I am Liberal by local standards is my support for and advocacy for change in the legal system.

The prosecutor did know better. He initially chose not to prosecute.

But then was pressured by bunch of far leftists who wet their pants because a criminal died in the hands of two white people.

Yeah, you are a liberal, just four years later. A conservative who will never conserve anything, especially not America.

That is not why the Prosecutor is going to be defending his law license. It is because he decided to Recuse himself and still issued instructions to the police. That is misconduct.

 

[Norman]

The owner of the property Mr. English said nothing was ever taken, he did not know the McMichaels and only met one of them once when he bought the property. At no time did English ever ask McMichaels to do anything on his behalf. This begs the question what business was it of the McMichaels? Absolutely none. Do people in Georgia always find it agreeable to stick their nose in another mans business? The McMichaels seem to think so.

Bing

www.bing.com

It’s not up to him, they have property of concern, they don’t want a pattern developed it’s really simple. Go to the south side of Chicago

It is up to him. It is his property. Only he can file a complaint for Trespassing. And his testimony at the trial is going to be really harmful for the defense.

Nonsense...again you prove you lack legal expertise despite all your tutoring from para-legals bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa As has been pointed out to you many times nothing that happened before the black guy assaulted the younger McMichaels has any relevancy....no matter what happened before....even if he had been followed, harassed, or falsely arrested (none of which happened) gave him (the insane negro) the right to committ assault...try and wrap your head around that if you want to stop looking so stupid.

Again. That is where you are wrong according to actual lawyers.

The Ahmaud Arbery Killing and Georgia Law

Explaining the legal issues surrounding the incident of two white men shooting a black jogger they suspected of a crime

arcdigital.media

The most important part of this statute is the unwritten bit — you are allowed to make arrests only with “reasonable force.” You can’t burn down an orphanage to catch one child snatching extra bowls of gruel. And the Georgia Supreme Court has held, as a matter of law, that you can’t chase someone down with a weapon because you think they have committed burglary. For example, it held that there was no evidence of a “citizen’s arrest” when a man with a baseball bat chased down someone who burglarized his home.

The McMichaels will have a hard time establishing that a crime was committed within their presence or immediate knowledge. But even if they get past those serious hurtles, they’re still stuck justifying hemming an unarmed man in with a truck and guns when those acts are each serious felonies under Georgia law.

Actual Lawyers seem to think you are wrong. But what do they know. I assume you have a BAR card and are licensed in Georgia. I honestly hope you are on the way to take over the defense of the McMichaels because they need all the legal help they can get. Because actual Georgia law applies to actual cases and decided by the actual Georgia Supreme Court says you are actually wrong.

They did not do anything unreasonable in making the arrest.

He only got shot because he grabbed a gun, this is reasonable self defense.

I really think the actual lawyer would know better. Look. The sooner you realize how much peril the McMichaels are in the sooner you can start the bake sales and online fund raising to help them.

If you had read the post I had linked to then you would know the McMichaels hoped legally speaking rest on a motion. If the Judge does not grant that Motion a Not Guilty Verdict is extremely unlikely. The best they can hope for is a Hung Jury. That kicks the can down the road for the second trial.

Because right now you sound like one of those stupid Holiday Inn Express Commercials from years ago.



I have lived in Georgia for nearly thirty years. And even longer than that I have always known you do not talk to the cops. My Father taught me that when you do you will talk yourself into trouble. Daddy McMichaels forgot that rule. There are two possibilities I see for that. Either he was a lousy cop who made Barney Fife look competent by comparison. Or he wanted and expected the locals to protect them with their long history of corruption.

The locals tried. But deciding it was too much of a hot potato tossed it. As I said before. The Good Old Boys club is powerful. But once it is exposed they throw the offenders to the wolves. The wolves greedily chew on the fresh meat. Right now his friends are scrambling to save themselves. The local D.A. is going to be busy defending her actions to save her law license. The second one is doing the same. One or both will probably lose their BAR Card.

This is the reality in Georgia. I would argue it should not be that way. But as I have said before. By Georgia Standards I am pretty Liberal. By San Francisco Standards I am a radical right wing gun nut. One of those reasons I am Liberal by local standards is my support for and advocacy for change in the legal system.

The prosecutor did know better. He initially chose not to prosecute.

But then was pressured by bunch of far leftists who wet their pants because a criminal died in the hands of two white people.

Yeah, you are a liberal, just four years later. A conservative who will never conserve anything, especially not America.

That is not why the Prosecutor is going to be defending his law license. It is because he decided to Recuse himself and still issued instructions to the police. That is misconduct.

Blah, blah, blah... It is clear the white men did nothing wrong. The black man charged at a shotgun and paid the price for it.

This is what all already concluded until the crazy SJWs got a sniff of the case as if it was young girl near Biden.