New York Attorney General Poised To Pounce On Trump Pardons

[postman]

They did it 50 years ago in Dixie when they couldn't get a murder conviction they'd charge for "civil rights violation". This turd in New York can't change federal law if they intend to use a federal court and if they do that, Trump can pardon anybody he pleases....and that's the end of it.

First, federal law normally takes precedence over state law (constitutional supremacy clause).

 

[postman]

Love it. Then we can go back all through past presidents and retroactively prosecute all of Obama and Clintons pardons to, as well as dubyas.

Actually, any "properly issued" pardon won't be effected. The pardon would prevent being charged for the same crime in state court. It only effects pardons like when Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon.

 

[jc456]

Amend the double jeopardy law in N.Y. Are they going freaking crazy? God help us if Hillary won the election, angry democrat judges would be amending the rest of the Constitution

They want to amend it because New York has a much stricter "double jeopardy" law than the federal government, or that the US Constitution calls for. It bars charging somebody with a state crime that's similar to a federal crime, even if the person never faced actual "jeopardy"

They want to change when jeopardy attaches from indictment to trial, to match what the feds do.

so what's their issue? they don't want to honor president's constitutional authority? why?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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name one

The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


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So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

 

[jc456]

So, a state AG can trump the U.S. constitution?

Hardly.

This is not covered in your beloved constitution.

sure it is, presidential constitutional authority. that's how obammmy freed a traitor out of prison

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections?

It's not really doing that, though. Double jeopardy doesn't preclude a state prosecution for an action that has been pardoned at the federal level. This is a question of dual sovereignty and states rights.

Actually, the way I understand it, if the person has either confessed to a federal crime or is convicted of a federal crime, at present in NY indicting once again on a state level would be considered double jeopardy.

Which is why the law needs to be changed. Trump sent a clear message with his pardon of Scooter Libby. If y'all be nice and don't implicate me, I'll pardon you.

yep, exactly. tell gator

Don’t tell me, tell the state of Missouri which has the dual sovereignty law.

All I did was report the facts


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[jc456]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections?

It's not really doing that, though. Double jeopardy doesn't preclude a state prosecution for an action that has been pardoned at the federal level. This is a question of dual sovereignty and states rights.

Actually, the way I understand it, if the person has either confessed to a federal crime or is convicted of a federal crime, at present in NY indicting once again on a state level would be considered double jeopardy.

Which is why the law needs to be changed. Trump sent a clear message with his pardon of Scooter Libby. If y'all be nice and don't implicate me, I'll pardon you.

yep, exactly. tell gator

Don’t tell me, tell the state of Missouri which has the dual sovereignty law.

All I did was report the facts


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sorry federal law trump state laws. you can post the statue.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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name one

The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


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So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

It has been the law of the land in your state (and many others I am sure) for longer than you have been alive. Have you seen any thing to be concerned about in regards to it?

The SCOTUS has ruled it does not violate the Constitution on numerous occasions going back to at least the 1950s


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[CrusaderFrank]

Amend the double jeopardy law in N.Y. Are they going freaking crazy? God help us if Hillary won the election, angry democrat judges would be amending the rest of the Constitution

It's what every single Progressive nation inevitable ends with poverty and mass graves: they have utter contempt for people, G-d and natural law

 

[GreenBean]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

Didn't read your whole post of the article as I don't like APPLE JUICE

But try googling this phrase ...

Ex Post Facto

 

[mudwhistle]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has asked lawmakers to amend the state’s double jeopardy law so pardoned Trump aides could be held accountable for criminal activity.

“Presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Eric Schneiderman writes.

New York’s attorney general has asked officials to change state law so President Donald Trump’s aides can be tried for any criminal acts committed in the state, even if they have been given a presidential pardon.

In a letter sent to New York’s top lawmakers, including Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) said that he was troubled by Trump’s frequent discussion of his ability to issue pardons and that he was worried those who had committed crimes in the state would escape prosecution. New York has a double jeopardy law that prevents individuals from being charged with the same crime twice, even if the charges originated at the federal level.

“New York’s statutory protections could result in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes,” Schneiderman wrote in the letter, dated April 18. “Even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison.”

New York currently has 12 exceptions carved out of its double jeopardy law, and Schneiderman has proposed the pardon issue be carved out in a similar fashion. The Constitution protects against multiple prosecutions for the same offense, but only at the federal level.

“Since the Nation’s founding, presidents have used this power sparingly, largely to do justice, rather than subvert it,” Schneiderman writes in his letter. “Yet recent reports indicate that the President may be considering issuing pardons that may impede criminal investigations.”

More: New York Attorney General Pushes To Sidestep Any Trump Pardons

Sounds like a very wise move by the NY AG. What do you think?

So this little fag thinks he can re-write the Constitution.

Good luck with that.

 

[Care4all]

I say good. Presidential Parsons were not meant to allow you and your friends to be above the law.

this president thinks they are for personal use...for close 'la cosa nostra' family....

 

[whitehall]

Where were NY democrats when Bill Clinton pardoned every member of a Puerto Rican terrorist gang of anarchist bombers while they were doing time in NY prisons? What sense did it make?

 

[Tom Horn]

First, federal law normally takes precedence over state law (constitutional supremacy clause).

And?

 

[Tom Horn]

I say good. Presidential Parsons were not meant to allow you and your friends to be above the law.

this president thinks they are for personal use...for close 'la cosa nostra' family....

You said the other day you're a tax-evader.....different standard?

 

[Care4all]

I say good. Presidential Parsons were not meant to allow you and your friends to be above the law.

this president thinks they are for personal use...for close 'la cosa nostra' family....

You said the other day you're a tax-evader.....different standard?

I never ever said that!

 

[Lakhota]

The Trump mafia must pay for their crimes - in federal and/or state courts.

 

[jc456]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections? Just keep prosecuting a case over and over until the defendant is bankrupt and can’t hire a lawyer or contradicts previous testimony in any way then get them for perjury.

The left won’t be happy until we have a system of law that looks like the Salem witch trials.

You know, your state has a dual sovereignty law that allows them to ignore double jeopardy for certain cases...


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name one

The dual sovereignty law allows the state to charge and try people for the same offense they were charged with on a Fed Level.

Felony gun crimes are an area where it is used


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So if you’re charged with a federal crime each of the 50 states can then charge you if they don’t like the result. Well that shouldn’t be concerning at all.

It has been the law of the land in your state (and many others I am sure) for longer than you have been alive. Have you seen any thing to be concerned about in regards to it?

The SCOTUS has ruled it does not violate the Constitution on numerous occasions going back to at least the 1950s


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just post something that verifies your statement.

 

[jc456]

The Trump mafia must pay for their crimes - in federal and/or state courts.

what crimes princess?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The lefts war on just law continues. What could possibly go wrong with ending double jeapordy protections?

It's not really doing that, though. Double jeopardy doesn't preclude a state prosecution for an action that has been pardoned at the federal level. This is a question of dual sovereignty and states rights.

Actually, the way I understand it, if the person has either confessed to a federal crime or is convicted of a federal crime, at present in NY indicting once again on a state level would be considered double jeopardy.

Which is why the law needs to be changed. Trump sent a clear message with his pardon of Scooter Libby. If y'all be nice and don't implicate me, I'll pardon you.

That is a statutory construct of New York law.