Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
I'm sorry, this is a laughable comment. The presense of guns never deters these guys.
There were armed guards at Columbine. Didn't stop Kleibold and Harris from killing 13 of their classmates.
There was a police force at Virginia Tech. Didn't stop Cho from shooting up dozens of his fellow students.
Ft. Hood was a damned ARMY BASE! Hasan was still able to shoot a bunch of people before anyone shot back at him.
No, it's bad guys with guns that are the problem, not the absense of good guys with guns. Because usually, they don't act in time, if at all.
[There were armed guards at Columbine. Didn't stop Kleibold and Harris from killing 13 of their classmates. ]
false there was one "armed" guard however he was not even on school grounds
when the shooting broke out
and then when other law enforcement arrived they treated it as a hostage situation
while the rampage continued inside
as for the armed not stopping such events you are incorrect
an armed Vice Principal Joel Myrick stopped Luke Woodham a shooter
for example
plus many schools have now opted to have armed guards in the schools
most sane folks realize the bad guy simply does not honor the gun free zone sign
in fact the theater shooter choose
the only gun free theater of all the theaters showing the movie that night
not the biggest
not the closest
not the easiest to get into
the only one that was a gun free zone
Right. Holmes also thought he was the Joker from the Batman comics, so that seems to indicate he really wasn't reasoning all that much.
Okay, to the point, since you conceded VA Tech and Fort Hood, the point is, there was an armed guard on campus. The fact that there was an armed guard did not deter Kleibold and Harris. they planned out their rampage and carried it out and no doubt had contingencies in case they ran into that armed guard.
The numbers bear this out. While there were 32,000 gun deaths in the US last year, according to the FBI, only 200 of them were valid cases of self-defense.
i didnt concede anything point is there was not an armed guards at the point of either
attack
as for columbine
the guard was not on campus
none of what you posted supports the events of the those days
i didnt concede anything point is there was not an armed guards at the point of either
attack
as for columbine
the guard was not on campus
none of what you posted supports the events of the those days
It wouldn't matter if there were at the "point of attack".
When Hasan was planning to shoot up an Army base, the fact that there were probably a whole division of guys with guns didn't deter him. He was perfectly willing to die as long as he took people with him.
Same with K&H or Cho. the fact there were armed guards was not a deterent.
Now, if you want to argue that if a guy was there with a gun, maybe things might have been different, maybe. Or maybe there would have been one more victim and the shooter m ight have had an extra gun to work with.
Statistics seem to back up the latter, given how rare "justified" homicides are.
[
Or, you can ignore all of that and walk to the nearest dark alley and buy one off of the black market. Just like one does with illegal drugs...
The thing about these crazy mass shooters is that we always find out after the fact how crazy they are. How about finding out before the fact?
I would be all for that if you could find a way to reasonably do so.
The point is, these guys didn't go to a back ally. And shit, even back ally guys wouldn't be dumb enough to sell to a Lanza or a Holmes.
That would bring more attention on them than they'd want.
Again, guy, this is not difficult. Other industrialized countries did this and they have substantially lower crime rates...
Neither party is trying to create a tyranny using the gun argument: sheer lunacy.
Neither party is trying to create a tyranny using the gun argument: sheer lunacy.
Dumbass, I was making fun of the fact you spelled it "athor". .
Kellerman's science is solid. Squealing "SUICIDES DON'T COUNT" doesn't take away from that reality that a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill someone in the house than outside it.
Apparently you do not know what "tyranny" or "constitutional government" means.
And the government is not increasing in power now and will never do anything to limit the freedom of citizens?
Sure, right.
I prefer to keep all my weapons and not limit law abiding citizens in any way from also doing so.
I fear criminals and government far more than any gun.
Guy, I'm not worried about what the government might do in 20 or 30 years. because- SPOILER ALERT- the government would almost always win in any such scenario.
I'm worried about small children being wheeled out of schools in body bags because the gun industry has opposed even the most reasonable safeguards against dangerous people getting their hands on guns.
I don't worry about Future President EvilGuy.
I worry about Holmes and Loughner and Lanza.
There are no reasonable safeguards to prevent dangerous people from arming themselves. You are either lying or living in a pipe dream
Sigh.
Your thinking helped my party lose the election for the presidency.
Apparently you do not know what "tyranny" or "constitutional government" means.
Sigh.
Your thinking helped my party lose the election for the presidency.
Why should I care?
Guy, I'm not worried about what the government might do in 20 or 30 years. because- SPOILER ALERT- the government would almost always win in any such scenario.
I'm worried about small children being wheeled out of schools in body bags because the gun industry has opposed even the most reasonable safeguards against dangerous people getting their hands on guns.
I don't worry about Future President EvilGuy.
I worry about Holmes and Loughner and Lanza.
There are no reasonable safeguards to prevent dangerous people from arming themselves. You are either lying or living in a pipe dream
Dude, there are a lot of reasonable safeguards.
How about this. Before you can buy a gun, we do what an employer does before he offers you a job. We do a thorough background check, talking to former employers and acquaintences.
The thing about these crazy mass shooters is that we always find out after the fact how crazy they are. How about finding out before the fact?
[
Or, you can ignore all of that and walk to the nearest dark alley and buy one off of the black market. Just like one does with illegal drugs...
The thing about these crazy mass shooters is that we always find out after the fact how crazy they are. How about finding out before the fact?
I would be all for that if you could find a way to reasonably do so.
The point is, these guys didn't go to a back ally. And shit, even back ally guys wouldn't be dumb enough to sell to a Lanza or a Holmes.
That would bring more attention on them than they'd want.
Again, guy, this is not difficult. Other industrialized countries did this and they have substantially lower crime rates...
Sigh.
Your thinking helped my party lose the election for the presidency.
Why should I care?
Jake, and his kind, lost most of the Tea Party support, that's what cost his Party the Election. Not the people who did vote, but the ones that stayed home on Election Day, because they felt that they were sold out. You know, the feeling most people get when Graham or McCain open their mouths, condemning Liberty.
Why should I care?
Jake, and his kind, lost most of the Tea Party support, that's what cost his Party the Election. Not the people who did vote, but the ones that stayed home on Election Day, because they felt that they were sold out. You know, the feeling most people get when Graham or McCain open their mouths, condemning Liberty.
The mainstream GOP cannot win with the TP support. The libertarian blinders prevent you from seeing reality. The mainstream is now isolating the far right and trying to build bridges to the women and minority voter that meets their needs sincerely.
You tried for the GOP, you failed, now time for you to move on.
Jake, and his kind, lost most of the Tea Party support, that's what cost his Party the Election. Not the people who did vote, but the ones that stayed home on Election Day, because they felt that they were sold out. You know, the feeling most people get when Graham or McCain open their mouths, condemning Liberty.
The mainstream GOP cannot win with the TP support. The libertarian blinders prevent you from seeing reality. The mainstream is now isolating the far right and trying to build bridges to the women and minority voter that meets their needs sincerely.
You tried for the GOP, you failed, now time for you to move on.
Are you saying that I tried for the GOP? If so you are sadly mistaken. If not, carry on...
