No Longer David:*The State of Israel As Goliath

[irosie91]

1. Investigations by whom?

2. Was/were the hit(s) on the house Intentional or Accidental?

3. If 'intentional', was it a 'righteous' fire-mission? (probable cause?)

4. Are we even sure that it was IDF munitions that destroyed the house?

5. Did a professional and unbiased third-party munitions-forensics team determine whose munitions hit the house?

Members of the IDF (who do the shooting) have admitted they treat everyone as the enemy and make no distinction between military and civilian targets.

1. Innocent until proven guilty.

2. The matter has not been tried.


1. innocent until proven guilty

2. adding what's already been said, above.

Shove that shit up your ass!

The Israeli's have a long track record of not investigating these occurances, so fuck you!



"...to be more like..."


That means YOU DON"T KNOW!

4. consequently, the Palestinian militants may be argued to be at-fault, de facto, and, quite probably, de jure as well, rather than the IDF.

Did you read what she said, fuckhead?

Only ones killed were civilians.

2. we do not know that the IDF used excessive force

Yes we do.

Not only do they have a track history of such, IDF members have admitted that that's what their told to do by their commanders.

Standard military procedure in GUERILLA WARFARE. Gazan infant throat slitters
do not wear uniforms. Any place from which baby brain smashing nissiles emerge---
is a LEGAL MILITARY TARGET --------even if the place is an infant nursery. Persons
who render areas containing civilians-----into ARENAS OF WAR -----are guilty of murder

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Palestinians are human beings with human rights and the ability to form organizations called human rights groups to address the violations of their rights.

The world does not exist just for Zionists.

 

[Kondor3]

"...The Israeli's have a long track record of not investigating these occurances, so fuck you!..."

Calm down, sugar-britches.

Mechanical recitals of anecdotal and nonspecific allegations do not help us to address the points raised.

 

[Billo_Really]

Standard military procedure in GUERILLA WARFARE. Gazan infant throat slitters
do not wear uniforms. Any place from which baby brain smashing nissiles emerge---
is a LEGAL MILITARY TARGET --------even if the place is an infant nursery. Persons
who render areas containing civilians-----into ARENAS OF WAR -----are guilty of murder

Hospitals are off limits under any conditions.

You could store a 100 Howitzers and a full battalion in one and it would still be off limits as a target.

 

[Kondor3]

Palestinians are human beings with human rights and the ability to form organizations called human rights groups to address the violations of their rights. The world does not exist just for Zionists.

Non sequitur.

The OBJECTIVITY of your source is being challenged, not its right to exist.

 

[Billo_Really]

Calm down, sugar-britches.

Mechanical recitals of anecdotal and nonspecific allegations do not help us to address the points raised.[/SIZE]

I've already presented evidence of over 900 reports of excessive fire and 90% were dismissed without any investigation and only 2 ever made it to trial.


BTW, that "sugar-britch" comment got my horny, so you'll have to excuse me if I have to pleasure myself while I'm typing this.

 

[Kondor3]

Standard military procedure in GUERILLA WARFARE. Gazan infant throat slitters
do not wear uniforms. Any place from which baby brain smashing nissiles emerge---
is a LEGAL MILITARY TARGET --------even if the place is an infant nursery. Persons
who render areas containing civilians-----into ARENAS OF WAR -----are guilty of murder

Hospitals are off limits under any conditions.

You could store a 100 Howitzers and a full battalion in one and it would still be off limits as a target.

Incorrect.

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Hospitals, both fixed and mobile, ambulances, hospital ships, medical aircraft, and medical personnel—whether civilian or military—are also entitled to protection from hostile fire under the Geneva Conventions, provided that structures are marked with a red cross or red crescent and not used improperly or near military objectives, and staff are properly protected...

...Places of worship and historic monuments are protected, as are civilian structures like schools and other objects that are not being used to support military activities...

There are exceptions... A school, for example, becomes a legitimate military target if soldiers are based there. With hospitals, the situation is more complicated since they are permitted to keep armed guards on their grounds. But immunity from attack can be lost if the people or objects are used to commit acts that are harmful to one side in a conflict...

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As may be seen in the following page of a War Crimes Awareness -focused nonprofit organization whose editorial staff appear to have the requisite credentials... one of the first things the Google Search Engine found when doing some shotgun research on the subject...

Crimes of War ? Immunity from Attack


The storing of munitions and weapons on the premises, and the shielding of armed active combatants on the premises, would be 'harmful' to one side in the conflict.

Causing the hospital to lose immunity from attack.

Or so the legally competent editorial staff at that awareness-raising NPO seem to think.

And, I'm sure, supporting narrative and citations can be served-up on fairly short notice, in support of such contentions.

Of course, if your credentials on the subject are superior to those of that neutral NPO, then, we'll have to take your word for this (that Hospitals are off-limits, legally, under all circumstances)...

Barring any such manifestation of credentials, you appear to have failed with that assertion...

It's what comes of knee-jerk and emotional reactions rather than dispassionate analysis...

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT

 

[Kondor3]

"..."

That was 2009...

I'm sure the power is back on by now...

Bad things happen, when you launch ongoing and repetitive rocket-barrages to attack the civilian population centers of a much-larger and better-armed adversary...

Go figure...

Your adopted brethren are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box, are they?

 

[irosie91]

Sherri gave us a four year old video ----on war-----war provoked by isa-respecting
missile fire upon the heads of infants in Israel ------BOOOOORING

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Two lawmakers from the militant Palestinian party Hamas were arrested after hiding for over a year inside a Red Cross compound in Jerusalem, an Israeli police spokesman said Monday.

The spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld, said the men were wanted for "Hamas activities." He would not elaborate.

Red Cross officials confirmed the men had been holed up inside. In a statement, the Red Cross said that Khaled Abu Arfa and Mohammed Totah sought refuge in the compound on July 1, 2010, to escape Israeli arrest.


Israel bans Hamas from operating in Jerusalem. Last week Israel arrested the Hamas speaker of the Palestinian parliament.

Hamas lawmakers arrested at Red Cross in Jerusalem

Here the terrorists are using a UN ambulance, for cover.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRmYYSp0-B8]Reuters - Palestinians Terrorists use UN Ambulance - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kondor3]

Sherri gave us a four year old video ----on war-----war provoked by isa-respecting missile fire upon the heads of infants in Israel ------BOOOOORING

Hey, mebbe I can dig-up some old Crusader -era news bulletins, or Imperial Byzantine or Roman -era news bulletins... "We interrupt this parchment for the following important news bulletin..."

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Standard military procedure in GUERILLA WARFARE. Gazan infant throat slitters
do not wear uniforms. Any place from which baby brain smashing nissiles emerge---
is a LEGAL MILITARY TARGET --------even if the place is an infant nursery. Persons
who render areas containing civilians-----into ARENAS OF WAR -----are guilty of murder

Hospitals are off limits under any conditions.

You could store a 100 Howitzers and a full battalion in one and it would still be off limits as a target.

Incorrect.

==============================

Hospitals, both fixed and mobile, ambulances, hospital ships, medical aircraft, and medical personnel—whether civilian or military—are also entitled to protection from hostile fire under the Geneva Conventions, provided that structures are marked with a red cross or red crescent and not used improperly or near military objectives, and staff are properly protected...

...Places of worship and historic monuments are protected, as are civilian structures like schools and other objects that are not being used to support military activities...

There are exceptions... A school, for example, becomes a legitimate military target if soldiers are based there. With hospitals, the situation is more complicated since they are permitted to keep armed guards on their grounds. But immunity from attack can be lost if the people or objects are used to commit acts that are harmful to one side in a conflict...

============================

As may be seen in the following page of a War Crimes Awareness -focused nonprofit organization whose editorial staff appear to have the requisite credentials... one of the first things the Google Search Engine found when doing some shotgun research on the subject...

Crimes of War ? Immunity from Attack


The storing of munitions and weapons on the premises, and the shielding of armed active combatants on the premises, would be 'harmful' to one side in the conflict.

Causing the hospital to lose immunity from attack.

Or so the legally competent editorial staff at that awareness-raising NPO seem to think.

And, I'm sure, supporting narrative and citations can be served-up on fairly short notice, in support of such contentions.

Of course, if your credentials on the subject are superior to those of that neutral NPO, then, we'll have to take your word for this (that Hospitals are off-limits, legally, under all circumstances)...

Barring any such manifestation of credentials, you appear to have failed with that assertion...

It's what comes of knee-jerk and emotional reactions rather than dispassionate analysis...

Hospitals are not proper targets, your ZIonist propaganda articles do not make them proper targets.

Multiple provisions in The Geneva Conventions protect hospitals from attack.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Hospitals are off limits under any conditions.

You could store a 100 Howitzers and a full battalion in one and it would still be off limits as a target.

Incorrect.

==============================

Hospitals, both fixed and mobile, ambulances, hospital ships, medical aircraft, and medical personnel—whether civilian or military—are also entitled to protection from hostile fire under the Geneva Conventions, provided that structures are marked with a red cross or red crescent and not used improperly or near military objectives, and staff are properly protected...

...Places of worship and historic monuments are protected, as are civilian structures like schools and other objects that are not being used to support military activities...

There are exceptions... A school, for example, becomes a legitimate military target if soldiers are based there. With hospitals, the situation is more complicated since they are permitted to keep armed guards on their grounds. But immunity from attack can be lost if the people or objects are used to commit acts that are harmful to one side in a conflict...

============================

As may be seen in the following page of a War Crimes Awareness -focused nonprofit organization whose editorial staff appear to have the requisite credentials... one of the first things the Google Search Engine found when doing some shotgun research on the subject...

Crimes of War ? Immunity from Attack


The storing of munitions and weapons on the premises, and the shielding of armed active combatants on the premises, would be 'harmful' to one side in the conflict.

Causing the hospital to lose immunity from attack.

Or so the legally competent editorial staff at that awareness-raising NPO seem to think.

And, I'm sure, supporting narrative and citations can be served-up on fairly short notice, in support of such contentions.

Of course, if your credentials on the subject are superior to those of that neutral NPO, then, we'll have to take your word for this (that Hospitals are off-limits, legally, under all circumstances)...

Barring any such manifestation of credentials, you appear to have failed with that assertion...

It's what comes of knee-jerk and emotional reactions rather than dispassionate analysis...

Hospitals are not proper targets, your ZIonist propaganda articles do not make them proper targets.

Multiple provisions in The Geneva Conventions protect hospitals from attack.

Wherever the Hamas and terrorists are firing at Israel from, and sheltering in whilst firing, those are targets. UN ambulances are used to transport terrorists with ammunition from area to area - then they are targets. Rockets are launched from buildings - those are targets too. Your Islamists friends play dirty with their fighting against Israel, so they deserve all they get.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Nowhere Left to Hide in the Gaza Strip: Even Hospitals and UN Humanitarian Facilities under Israeli Attack

Cast Lead saw an Israeli attack on Al-Quds Red Crescent hospital in Gaza City, which was shelled by an Israeli tank formation, in what the International Committee of the Red Cross described as a “direct hit.”

100 patients and medical staff in the hospital had to be evacuated to another part of the building as a result of the damage and It was further reported patients and staff were initially prevented from evacuating the premises due to the fact Israeli forces had surrounded it, impeding their safe passage. There were an estimated 500 patients and medical personnel inside the building when attacked by the IDF.

"Under customary international humanitarian law, the principle of distinction holds that civilians and civilian objects, including hospitals and humanitarian facilities cannot be subject to attack. Under Article 18 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, reflective of customary international humanitarian law, it is explicitly prohibited to attack, fire upon, or in any way to prevent hospitals or medical units from performing their medical and humanitarian duties. Similarly, it is a provision of customary international humanitarian law that personnel, transports and compounds of humanitarian relief operations must be respected and protected under all circumstances...."


Nowhere Left to Hide in the Gaza Strip: Even Hospitals and UN Humanitarian Facilities under Israeli Attack

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OBJWcGh8cc&list=PL0877FD9B8BE484CE&index=42]Hamas uses Mosques and Schools to Store its Weapons - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kondor3]

"...Hospitals are not proper targets... Multiple provisions in The Geneva Conventions protect hospitals from attack."

FROM THE UNITED NATIONS WEBSITE; SECTION: TREATY TEXTS:

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Protocol additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the protection of victims of international armed conflicts (Protocol I) (with annexes, Final Act of the Diplomatic Conference on the reaffirmation and development of international humanitarian law applicable in armed conflicts dated 10 June 1977 and resolutions adopted at the fourth session). Adopted at Geneva on 8 June 1977

Article 13. DISCONTINUANCE OF PROTECTION OF CIVILIAN MEDICAL UNITS.

1. The protection to which civilian medical units are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the
enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a warning has been given setting, whenever appropriate, a reasonable time-limit, and after such warning has remained
unheeded.

2. The following shall not be considered as acts harmful to the enemy:
(a) That the personnel of the unit are equipped with light individual weapons for
their own defence or for that of the wounded and sick in their charge;
(6) That the unit is guarded by a picket or by sentries or by an escort;
(c) That small-arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick, and not yet
handed to the proper service, are found in the units;
(d) That members of the armed forces or other combatants are in the unit for
medical reasons.

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"...your ZIonist propaganda articles do not make them proper targets..."

The NPO in question is entirely neutral and objective.

Its summation was completely vindicated by the actual Treaty Text Addenda found on the website of the United Nations itself, as found at the following link...

http://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%201125/volume-1125-I-17512-English.pdf

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Another Fail of Truly Epic proportions...

Bada-bing, bada-boom...

Butt-hurt remediation is down the hall, second door on the right.

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[irosie91]

Nowhere Left to Hide in the Gaza Strip: Even Hospitals and UN Humanitarian Facilities under Israeli Attack


There is NO-WHERE created to hide in Gaza----not for its children or for anyone
else. Bomb shelters can be made using a soup spoon -----simply dig holes---cover
them up with a scrap roof------and a little makeshift pipe for air. Stock with some
water and cookies and THAT IS A BOMB SHELTER. Way back in the 50s people
were knocking them out in their gardens against the COMING ATOM BOMBS

SHOVING kids in mosques with missile launchers on their minarets is not a way
to PROTECT CHILDREN-----it is a way to get their head blown off in the name
of isa/allah Missile launchers ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD are legal
military targets no matter how many children the isa-respecting murderers
shove around them

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

What is all of that supposed to change?

Israels attacks upon hospitals remain unlawful targeting of civilians and civilian objects.

There were no military operations carried out by Palestinians from the hospitals attacked.

The hospitals were civilian hospitals unlawfully targeted and attacked.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Your turn, where is your evidence hospitals were proper military targets?