No, MAGA Did NOT Lose the 11/2023 Election, Yes Dems Are STILL Doomed in '24

[candycorn]

We obviously need more new voting laws that will prevent the voter fraud that happened in 2020.

What voter fraud? Any proof of massive voter fraud?

 

[candycorn]

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Yep...I’m replying to one right now.

You’re claiming all of this election fraud took place to benefit the Democrats but also point out that the Republicans did very well in the election.

I think that makes you clinically retarded.

 

[maybelooking]

My only concern with next years POTUS election is that the Dems will lie, cheat, and do ANYTHING necessary to win. I had ZERO doubts that Trump would win the last election.......

Then China released the virus on the world and killed huge numbers of people in order to be rid of Trump. The dems fell right in line and used the china virus to defeat Trump and it worked.

There is NOTHING those pieces of shit wont do to prevent Trump from becoming POTUS again.

 

[JoeB131]

My only concern with next years POTUS election is that the Dems will lie, cheat, and do ANYTHING necessary to win. I had ZERO doubts that Trump would win the last election.......

Then China released the virus on the world and killed huge numbers of people in order to be rid of Trump. The dems fell right in line and used the china virus to defeat Trump and it worked.

There is NOTHING those pieces of shit wont do to prevent Trump from becoming POTUS again.

Except Trump was trailing Biden before COVID-19 hit. Even at that point in the campaign, Biden's candidacy was struggling before Democrats agreed to him as the alternative to Commie Bernie.

Trump was also trailing Commie Bernie.

 

[bdtex]

I purposely conceded a hypothetical where it wasn't stolen in order to move on from yet another thread about 2020.

That's a lie. You said let's "make believe". You didn't concede anything troll.

 

[bdtex]

and I explicitly say we should pretend the 2020 election was on the up and up for the sake of argument.

If you can't accept and admit that it's not a pretense at all, there is no basis for an honest discussion with you. It's not anyone else's fault either. It's your fault.

 

[Arlette]

First of all, let me clearly preface this by saying resoundingly: I am not claiming MAGA won on Tuesday night.

Nor am I asserting that the GOP does not have lamentable problems from a ground-game/strategic perspective.

We should dispatch Ronna McDaniel and the GOP Establishment post-haste, and install someone like Scott Pressler who has an actual passion to win - and not just enrich himself from the status quo.

That said, the current Dem narrative regarding 11/7 must be subverted, and can easily be for one simple reason: It is entirely false.

I will summon up as much brevity as I can muster, but sometimes a guy just has to get something out of his system.

So away we go:

First off. Context.

Dems: MAGA hasn't won an election since 2016!!!

Really?

2018: Dems win the House, Republicans retain the Senate in the mid-terms. No real debate from anyone halfway credible that this was pretty ho-hum and to be expected, so let's not dwell.

2020: This, of course, is the big one with both sides being tenaciously entrenched in their camps. But let us play make believe for a moment. Let's concede that none of the irregularities occurred, the Media did not lie about the Hunter Biden laptop, and we didn't have the strangest most communist election since any of us were alive due to a virus with a .2% mortality rate.

IE, for the most part, everything was on the up and up. Laughable, I know, but stick with me here.

Two things:

1) Biden still barely won, with eminently superior approval numbers than the abyss he's currently traversing. We're talking just a few thousand votes in a few swing states scattered in just the right delicate amalgamation. It wasn't some fucking epic victory - at all. And, again, that's pretending there was anything even remotely legit about it with no ballot harvesting/printing or media chicanery whatsoever.

2) And this one truly grinds my gears because even Right Wing doomers forget this: Democrats ALSO had a horrible night in 2020. Despite having been projected to widen gains in the House amidst a Biden "victory", they actually lost seats to the point where Pelosi was commanding the smallest majority since World War fucking 2. (The exact majority the Republicans preside over now. Oh the irony.)

And in the Senate the Dems way under performed their numbers, barely taking the chamber only thanks to the tie breaking vote of the cackling menace who is now helping to drag down their 2024 prospects in no small way, along with a demoralized MAGA base that refused to turn out to vote for the stooges running in the Georgia run offs that year.

So even if you buy the narrative on 2020 (and none of us with any self respect or critical thinking abilities do), it is nothing less than simplistic dreck to brazenly declare "MAGA LOST IN 2020!"

3) 2022: Republicans undeniably had a far weaker performance than anticipated. (Red Trickle).

But:

a) Mitch McConnell and the Establishment in the Senate withheld support and funding from MAGA candidates

and

b) The Republicans actually had significant victories in deep blue territory where they were expected to barely even compete. (We're talkin' NY/CA as the most prominent examples.) And here's the kicker: Whyyyyy were they able to do this?

BALLOT HARVESTING.

In NY/CA the state parties wizened up and defeated the Dems at their own crooked game. And we would not enjoy our current House majority had we neglected to do so.

But this is a massive, gaping hole in the Corporate Media's narrative, so of course they make sure to always neglect to mention this to their Legions of unquestioning zombie leftists.

Which brings us to 2023:

In Kentucky a well liked Democrat good ole' boy defeated a Mitch McConnell backed opponent who Trump endorsed only in the closing weeks. He also happened to be a bad candidate who only mentioned his Trump endorsement without telling the people what he would actually do for them. Meanwhile, every other statewide Republican won.

In short, if you think Kentucky is going blue in '24, you're an abject imbecile.

In Virginia, Republicans won every single district that was Biden +8 or less, and retained every single Trump district.
If you didn't already know this, let that one sink in, because it's another cannon blast to the pirate ship of media propaganda about "STUNNING DEFEAT FOR THE GOP" yadda yadda.

The truth is, as many other astute posters on here have previously alluded to, VA is still a blue state. But Dems only picked up the Legislature due to winning districts Biden had won by double digits in 2020.

IE, it was always going to be a monumental task to wrest the state away from the Democrat machine.

Then, of course, the state that completes the Trifecta of 2023 woe is Ohio, where abortion won big.

And now we come to the part where we explode the biggest component of the Dems' talking point arsenal:

ABORTION.

To put it as succinctly as possible, the abortion predicament for the GOP has just about run its course.

To understand this, we have to recognize one of the largest transformations of the electorate and the way it behaves since Good Time Donnie arrived on the scene.

And that is: The GOP becoming a working class/middle class coalition that participates exponentially more so in Presidential years, and the Dems becoming a cloistered rickety partnership between the wealthy and their poor minority beneficiary class.

The precise opposite used to hold true: Dems turned out more in Presidential years, but their voting attendance waned in "off years".

Now, with the virtual transformation of the voters who comprise the two parties, it's vice versa. The most conventional media hack like Larry Sabato or Nate Silver wouldn't dispute this.

And what does that mean? It means, that not only are Republicans now weaker in "off years", because our coalition doesn't turn up - but it also means abortion won't mean jackshit in 2024. It is way down the list of issues voters care about in every poll under the sun, and the voters who do prioritize it will make up nowhere near the sizeable contingency of the electorate that they enjoy in "off years".

Couple that with the fact that Biden is bleeding his coalition of minority and young voters, and it spells intense foreboding for the Party that currently possesses the White House.

To conclude, if you're a Leftist who thinks Tuesday night augurs well for your Party a year from now, you just aren't taking a deep dive into the way the electorate now functions.

And if you're a Right Wing doomer who thinks we're weaker with Trump on the ticket, or "ABORTION" will now defeat MAGA.

You're just paying attention to the wrong people.

The truth is the GOP are royally screwed without Trump. When conservatives complain he's not really a conservative? They're right! At least, in the conventional sense. Much of his vote comes from people who won't vote for the rest of the GOP unless Orange Man is on the ticket.

It may be a cliche' but right now it is as true as ever:

It is always darkest before the dawn.

And there's another little saying that comes to mind.

What was that now?

Oh yeah:

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

Trump and Magaism is dragging the GOP down. They will not win until Trump is dead.

 

[rightwinger]

It's a odd thing....In my AO I don't know of a single male that cares all that much about abortion when compared to the other issues we face. It's the wild-eyed liberal women that are flexing to the detriment of us all.

Hell we came out in droves this go-round to get shed of an appointed transplant sheriff and the gop swept everything in my district.....It was not even close.

Men don’t care
It is the woman’s problem
Let them deal with it

 

[rightwinger]

Trump and Magaism is dragging the GOP down. They will not win until Trump is dead.

They will not admit Trump is dead either

 

[Arlette]

They will not admit Trump is dead either

Trump is getting torn to pieces in a NY court room. What's left of the Trump myth isn't enough to cover a chicken fried steak

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Trump and Magaism is dragging the GOP down. They will not win until Trump is dead.

OK, go with that.

Suits me!

 

[RhodyPatriot]

That's a lie. You said let's "make believe". You didn't concede anything troll.

You forgot to thumbs down my post.

Bigot.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Pretty much. The fact that Obama had a tough race against a member of a deranged cult (Mormonism) despite having done a spectacular job, says how racist we are.

You literally discriminated against an entire religious group while pretending we're irredeemably "racist!!!".

There's just no hope for you, is there?

Poor, deranged Leftard.

 

[bdtex]

You forgot to thumbs down my post.

Even you know your posts suck.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Even you know your posts suck.

True.

You should stop responding to them and let me perish in my own abject misery.

In fact, if you wanna be really charitable?

Stop responding to everyone here.

It'll do your rep wonders.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

And now we come full circle to the OP:

Ronna Romney McDaniel claimed on the night of the GOP’s catastrophic loss in Virginia that Governor Glenn Youngkin rejected help from the RNC, but conservative activist Scott Presler is saying the exact opposite, reporting that the Republican Party of Virginia requested cash from Ronna and the RNC, but were rejected.​

Ronna Romney Says Youngkin Rejected RNC Help in VA Elections, But Scott Presler Says Ronna Refused to Help

Ronna Romney McDaniel says that Glenn Youngkin rejected the RNC's help in the 2023 elections, but the RPV says it's the other way around.

nationalfile.com

 

[JoeB131]

You literally discriminated against an entire religious group while pretending we're irredeemably "racist!!!".

There's just no hope for you, is there?

Poor, deranged Leftard.

Religion is a choice, race is not.

If you belong to a truly stupid religion, someone should call you on it.

 

[bendog]

First of all, let me clearly preface this by saying resoundingly: I am not claiming MAGA won on Tuesday night.

Nor am I asserting that the GOP does not have lamentable problems from a ground-game/strategic perspective.

We should dispatch Ronna McDaniel and the GOP Establishment post-haste, and install someone like Scott Pressler who has an actual passion to win - and not just enrich himself from the status quo.

That said, the current Dem narrative regarding 11/7 must be subverted, and can easily be for one simple reason: It is entirely false.

I will summon up as much brevity as I can muster, but sometimes a guy just has to get something out of his system.

So away we go:

First off. Context.

Dems: MAGA hasn't won an election since 2016!!!

Really?

2018: Dems win the House, Republicans retain the Senate in the mid-terms. No real debate from anyone halfway credible that this was pretty ho-hum and to be expected, so let's not dwell.

2020: This, of course, is the big one with both sides being tenaciously entrenched in their camps. But let us play make believe for a moment. Let's concede that none of the irregularities occurred, the Media did not lie about the Hunter Biden laptop, and we didn't have the strangest most communist election since any of us were alive due to a virus with a .2% mortality rate.

IE, for the most part, everything was on the up and up. Laughable, I know, but stick with me here.

Two things:

1) Biden still barely won, with eminently superior approval numbers than the abyss he's currently traversing. We're talking just a few thousand votes in a few swing states scattered in just the right delicate amalgamation. It wasn't some fucking epic victory - at all. And, again, that's pretending there was anything even remotely legit about it with no ballot harvesting/printing or media chicanery whatsoever.

2) And this one truly grinds my gears because even Right Wing doomers forget this: Democrats ALSO had a horrible night in 2020. Despite having been projected to widen gains in the House amidst a Biden "victory", they actually lost seats to the point where Pelosi was commanding the smallest majority since World War fucking 2. (The exact majority the Republicans preside over now. Oh the irony.)

And in the Senate the Dems way under performed their numbers, barely taking the chamber only thanks to the tie breaking vote of the cackling menace who is now helping to drag down their 2024 prospects in no small way, along with a demoralized MAGA base that refused to turn out to vote for the stooges running in the Georgia run offs that year.

So even if you buy the narrative on 2020 (and none of us with any self respect or critical thinking abilities do), it is nothing less than simplistic dreck to brazenly declare "MAGA LOST IN 2020!"

3) 2022: Republicans undeniably had a far weaker performance than anticipated. (Red Trickle).

But:

a) Mitch McConnell and the Establishment in the Senate withheld support and funding from MAGA candidates

and

b) The Republicans actually had significant victories in deep blue territory where they were expected to barely even compete. (We're talkin' NY/CA as the most prominent examples.) And here's the kicker: Whyyyyy were they able to do this?

BALLOT HARVESTING.

In NY/CA the state parties wizened up and defeated the Dems at their own crooked game. And we would not enjoy our current House majority had we neglected to do so.

But this is a massive, gaping hole in the Corporate Media's narrative, so of course they make sure to always neglect to mention this to their Legions of unquestioning zombie leftists.

Which brings us to 2023:

In Kentucky a well liked Democrat good ole' boy defeated a Mitch McConnell backed opponent who Trump endorsed only in the closing weeks. He also happened to be a bad candidate who only mentioned his Trump endorsement without telling the people what he would actually do for them. Meanwhile, every other statewide Republican won.

In short, if you think Kentucky is going blue in '24, you're an abject imbecile.

In Virginia, Republicans won every single district that was Biden +8 or less, and retained every single Trump district.
If you didn't already know this, let that one sink in, because it's another cannon blast to the pirate ship of media propaganda about "STUNNING DEFEAT FOR THE GOP" yadda yadda.

The truth is, as many other astute posters on here have previously alluded to, VA is still a blue state. But Dems only picked up the Legislature due to winning districts Biden had won by double digits in 2020.

IE, it was always going to be a monumental task to wrest the state away from the Democrat machine.

Then, of course, the state that completes the Trifecta of 2023 woe is Ohio, where abortion won big.

And now we come to the part where we explode the biggest component of the Dems' talking point arsenal:

ABORTION.

To put it as succinctly as possible, the abortion predicament for the GOP has just about run its course.

To understand this, we have to recognize one of the largest transformations of the electorate and the way it behaves since Good Time Donnie arrived on the scene.

And that is: The GOP becoming a working class/middle class coalition that participates exponentially more so in Presidential years, and the Dems becoming a cloistered rickety partnership between the wealthy and their poor minority beneficiary class.

The precise opposite used to hold true: Dems turned out more in Presidential years, but their voting attendance waned in "off years".

Now, with the virtual transformation of the voters who comprise the two parties, it's vice versa. The most conventional media hack like Larry Sabato or Nate Silver wouldn't dispute this.

And what does that mean? It means, that not only are Republicans now weaker in "off years", because our coalition doesn't turn up - but it also means abortion won't mean jackshit in 2024. It is way down the list of issues voters care about in every poll under the sun, and the voters who do prioritize it will make up nowhere near the sizeable contingency of the electorate that they enjoy in "off years".

Couple that with the fact that Biden is bleeding his coalition of minority and young voters, and it spells intense foreboding for the Party that currently possesses the White House.

To conclude, if you're a Leftist who thinks Tuesday night augurs well for your Party a year from now, you just aren't taking a deep dive into the way the electorate now functions.

And if you're a Right Wing doomer who thinks we're weaker with Trump on the ticket, or "ABORTION" will now defeat MAGA.

You're just paying attention to the wrong people.

The truth is the GOP are royally screwed without Trump. When conservatives complain he's not really a conservative? They're right! At least, in the conventional sense. Much of his vote comes from people who won't vote for the rest of the GOP unless Orange Man is on the ticket.

It may be a cliche' but right now it is as true as ever:

It is always darkest before the dawn.

And there's another little saying that comes to mind.

What was that now?

Oh yeah:

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

Ronna was Donny's pick

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If you belong to a truly stupid religion, someone should call you on it.

Denying and even mocking God, as you do, is more stupid than any religion.

 

[lennypartiv]

My only concern with next years POTUS election is that the Dems will lie, cheat, and do ANYTHING necessary to win. I had ZERO doubts that Trump would win the last election.......

Exactly. They got away with it in 2020, surely they'll try the same tricks in 2024.