No One Has a Right to Health Care

[Rustic]

It sucks paying for something I will never need and use, obamacare is fraudulent at best...

 

[Arianrhod]

It sucks paying for something I will never need and use, obamacare is fraudulent at best...

So you have super powers that'll protect you from an auto accident or a slip-and-fall or being shot by one of your "hunting" buds? Wow, you should patent that.

 

[Rustic]

Americans have a right to receive medical treatment if they become sick

They also should not lose everything they have saved in their lifetime just because they get sick

We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Most other industrialized nations assure that. We should also

You live in a fairytale world...
I much rather earn my way through life, not by handouts from the federal government.
Robin Hood mentality if fucked up...

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody should ever have the right to use government to force somebody else to pay their bills for them.

When greedy shitheads use the government to provide them with things they are too sorry to provide for themselves then that is nothing more than state supported thievery and it is despicable.

It s helping people who need help and it is admirable

Its helping when you volunteer to help.

Its forcing you to help when your hard earned tax money is used for something it was never meant to be used for.

You volunteer to help when you become a citizen of the U.S.

Nope. I never volunteered and that's the point. No one asked we taxpayers if we wanted to bankroll everyone who can't or won't take care of themselves.

Big difference in volunteering and being forced.

Blame your mama then

Yes, the taxpayers were asked every time they vote. Don't you vote?

 

[g5000]

Its a right as long as you can pay for it.

and yet every other civilized country makes sure that it's people receive health care.

in this country people pay for it and then get canceled as soon as they need it.

If every other civilized country decided the moon was made out of cheese, it doesn't make it true.

Free health care is not a right. Free health care is a gift taken by force from someone else.

while that's all well and good.... the reality is that no one is saying the moon is made of cheese or saying anything untrue or improper.

nice false equivalency.

You made an argumentum ad populum. Your "false equivalency" retort is a non sequitur.

Basically, you have given up on the claim that free health care is a right, and now you are arguing we should provide free health care because other countries do. To wit: Argumentum ad populum.

 

[Rustic]

It sucks paying for something I will never need and use, obamacare is fraudulent at best...

So you have super powers that'll protect you from an auto accident or a slip-and-fall or being shot by one of your "hunting" buds? Wow, you should patent that.

I pay for my own way as I go, I don't need uncle sugar taking money from other people to pay for my problems...

 

[regent]

If the American people decide they want government paid health care is it possible?

 

[rightwinger]

Americans have a right to receive medical treatment if they become sick

They also should not lose everything they have saved in their lifetime just because they get sick

We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Most other industrialized nations assure that. We should also

Who says they have that right?? You??

Who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else that they have to pay for medical care for someone?

Ask some of the citizens of those countries about those long waits for medical care. I'm sure there are folks in the UK, Europe and Canada that can tell some horror stories about those waits.

Yes me

As a U.S. citizen, I get to vote for those who think healthcare is a basic right and you get to vote for those who want healthcare to go to the highest bidder

Ask those in Europe how many would rather switch to the U.S. system. You will be laughed at

 

[Rustic]

It should be a choice if someone wants healthcare or doesn't... What is so hard about that??

I don't get the control freaks...
Lol

 

[Arianrhod]

It sucks paying for something I will never need and use, obamacare is fraudulent at best...

So you have super powers that'll protect you from an auto accident or a slip-and-fall or being shot by one of your "hunting" buds? Wow, you should patent that.

I pay for my own way as I go...

You have no dependents, or do you tell them "Sucks to be you"? Got $20,000 handy to pay for a broken leg? Or are you one of those people who posts sob stories on Go Fund Me?

 

[dblack]

I tried to answer this "stealing" and "point of a gun" and "force" stuff in the first paragraph. Civilizations choose to pool money to pay for certain services. Those civilizations also choose which services will be pooled and how much to pay for them.

Civilizations choose? What about individuals? don't they have the right to choose what to do with the fruits of their own labor?

And those who feel like Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional are certainly welcome to promote candidates who would abolish them.

Where in the Constitution are Medicare and Medicaid authorized?

I'm not going to hold my breath on that. The thought of leaving millions of seniors - many of whom simply do not have the capacity to make complicated decisions any more - is quite immoral to me.

How is that immoral? there is no initiation of force against such people and anybody who chooses can voluntarily provide whatever aid they like to them.

Paying taxes to help those who were not seems perfectly moral to me, and I don't lose a moment of sleep over it.
,

Well then why would government have to use the threat of force against you (or anybody else) to do it? If it's a moral case shouldn't it be easy to persuade most people to do so voluntarily?

I don't know what to tell ya.

If you pay one penny in taxes, then you're being robbed and forced at the point of a gun. The question is who we vote in, and how low they can keep that oppression. I don't know how many people you can convince to vote out health care for the old, poor and needy.

The point of Constitutionally limited government is to protect our rights irrespective of the winds of democracy. Otherwise the minority is completely at the mercy of the majority.

As I said, a healthier populace is good economics. That's my focus, that's my interest. Since I've not yet had a gun held to my head to pay taxes, I can't speak to that.
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It may be your focus and your interest, but it shouldn't be a goal of government. Citizens aren't the employees of government, and government is not our boss. How healthy and industrious we choose to be is none of the state's business.

 

[Arianrhod]

It should be a choice if someone wants healthcare or doesn't... What is so hard about that??

I don't get the control freaks...
Lol

Healthcare means seeing a doctor for treatment. Who's forcing you to do that?

 

[Rustic]

It sucks paying for something I will never need and use, obamacare is fraudulent at best...

So you have super powers that'll protect you from an auto accident or a slip-and-fall or being shot by one of your "hunting" buds? Wow, you should patent that.

I pay for my own way as I go...

You have no dependents, or do you tell them "Sucks to be you"? Got $20,000 handy to pay for a broken leg? Or are you one of those people who posts sob stories on Go Fund Me?

I have a wife and two young daughters, never had to buy anything with credit or have had to file an insurance claim in my adult life...
Never will

 

[Rustic]

It should be a choice if someone wants healthcare or doesn't... What is so hard about that??

I don't get the control freaks...
Lol

Healthcare means seeing a doctor for treatment. Who's forcing you to do that?

I pay cash for everything, no need for insurance...

 

[rightwinger]

Every human being has a right to medical care

Not at somebody elses expense.

Yes at someone else's expense if they can't afford it themselves

So, if I can't afford health insurance I have a right to force you to buy it for me?

Are you insane?

Yes

I don't want you to suffer

 

[NYcarbineer]

It should be a choice if someone wants healthcare or doesn't... What is so hard about that??

I don't get the control freaks...
Lol

Healthcare means seeing a doctor for treatment. Who's forcing you to do that?

I pay cash for everything, no need for insurance...

That makes you an anonymous-guy-on-the-internet cliche.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Every human being has a right to medical care

Not at somebody elses expense.

Yes at someone else's expense if they can't afford it themselves

So, if I can't afford health insurance I have a right to force you to buy it for me?

Are you insane?

Yes

I don't want you to suffer

I don't want to see you suffer either. Hardly obligates me or you in any way though.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I tried to answer this "stealing" and "point of a gun" and "force" stuff in the first paragraph. Civilizations choose to pool money to pay for certain services. Those civilizations also choose which services will be pooled and how much to pay for them.

Civilizations choose? What about individuals? don't they have the right to choose what to do with the fruits of their own labor?

And those who feel like Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional are certainly welcome to promote candidates who would abolish them.

Where in the Constitution are Medicare and Medicaid authorized?

I'm not going to hold my breath on that. The thought of leaving millions of seniors - many of whom simply do not have the capacity to make complicated decisions any more - is quite immoral to me.

How is that immoral? there is no initiation of force against such people and anybody who chooses can voluntarily provide whatever aid they like to them.

Paying taxes to help those who were not seems perfectly moral to me, and I don't lose a moment of sleep over it.
,

Well then why would government have to use the threat of force against you (or anybody else) to do it? If it's a moral case shouldn't it be easy to persuade most people to do so voluntarily?

I don't know what to tell ya.

If you pay one penny in taxes, then you're being robbed and forced at the point of a gun. The question is who we vote in, and how low they can keep that oppression. I don't know how many people you can convince to vote out health care for the old, poor and needy.

The point of Constitutionally limited government is to protect our rights irrespective of the winds of democracy. Otherwise the minority is completely at the mercy of the majority.

As I said, a healthier populace is good economics. That's my focus, that's my interest. Since I've not yet had a gun held to my head to pay taxes, I can't speak to that.
.

It may be your focus and your interest, but it shouldn't be a goal of government. Citizens aren't the employees of government, and government is not our boss. How healthy and industrious we choose to be is none of the state's business.

We have a government limited by a constitution. Too bad for you that it isn't custom made to suit your one in 350 million preference.

 

[Rustic]

It should be a choice if someone wants healthcare or doesn't... What is so hard about that??

I don't get the control freaks...
Lol

Healthcare means seeing a doctor for treatment. Who's forcing you to do that?

I pay cash for everything, no need for insurance...

That makes you an anonymous-guy-on-the-internet cliche.

Na, just someone who is not freeloading... Lol

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I tried to answer this "stealing" and "point of a gun" and "force" stuff in the first paragraph. Civilizations choose to pool money to pay for certain services. Those civilizations also choose which services will be pooled and how much to pay for them.

Civilizations choose? What about individuals? don't they have the right to choose what to do with the fruits of their own labor?

And those who feel like Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional are certainly welcome to promote candidates who would abolish them.

Where in the Constitution are Medicare and Medicaid authorized?

I'm not going to hold my breath on that. The thought of leaving millions of seniors - many of whom simply do not have the capacity to make complicated decisions any more - is quite immoral to me.

How is that immoral? there is no initiation of force against such people and anybody who chooses can voluntarily provide whatever aid they like to them.

Paying taxes to help those who were not seems perfectly moral to me, and I don't lose a moment of sleep over it.
,

Well then why would government have to use the threat of force against you (or anybody else) to do it? If it's a moral case shouldn't it be easy to persuade most people to do so voluntarily?

I don't know what to tell ya.

If you pay one penny in taxes, then you're being robbed and forced at the point of a gun. The question is who we vote in, and how low they can keep that oppression. I don't know how many people you can convince to vote out health care for the old, poor and needy.

The point of Constitutionally limited government is to protect our rights irrespective of the winds of democracy. Otherwise the minority is completely at the mercy of the majority.

As I said, a healthier populace is good economics. That's my focus, that's my interest. Since I've not yet had a gun held to my head to pay taxes, I can't speak to that.
.

It may be your focus and your interest, but it shouldn't be a goal of government. Citizens aren't the employees of government, and government is not our boss. How healthy and industrious we choose to be is none of the state's business.

We have a government limited by a constitution. Too bad for you that it isn't custom made to suit your one in 350 million preference.

Where does the Constitution talk about mandating we purchase things?