No One Has a Right to Health Care

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.

And you lose in that contest, by a rout.

 

[dblack]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.

And you lose in that contest, by a rout.

Probably. But, well, you got anything related to the debate?

 

[beagle9]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

. Not water drawn from a mystical well is right, because that serves no one, but when drawn from a well that sustains life it serves everybody... The insurance industry leads people to the mystical well, and tells the people that the well is running dry so just imagine the water to be drunk from it, and they do this after the people had invested so much in it only to find out that it was mystical (not real) when they chose finally to drink from it...And then meanwhile the corporatist draw a curtain over the real well in so that they will keep drinking it's wealth in life for themselves, and then hoping it never runs dry for themselves who are the profiteers.

 

[J.E.D]

And this is why Republicans are a dying party

 

[Rustic]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

Why do people expect other people to pay for their shit??
I don't get it, life is not an charity...
The "it takes an village" mentality can eat shit and die...

 

[Arianrhod]

I can't imagine any American wanting to deny access to urgent healthcare just because they can't afford it

Any Human Being,

it seems the basic values of conservatives are more reptilian than human. Once it appeared it was simply greed which motivated the hoi polloi to the Republican Party in the 1980's; now it seems the character flaws run much deeper. Lacking empathy and withholding care from others is not only mean spirited, it is inhuman and that stands out as the most obvious flaw of the 21st Century (callous) conservatives.

It is the mastery of the super wealthy

To divert attention away from the obscene portion of wealth that they have taken, they point to the poorest Americans and scream....There is the reason you are suffering

The wealthy don't "take" wealth, they earn it like everybody else.

Tell us how trust-fund babies "earn" their wealth. (Excluding Paris Hilton; at least she got off her skinny butt long enough to make porn.)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

Why do people expect other people to pay for their shit??
I don't get it, life is not an charity...
The "it takes an village" mentality can eat shit and die...

Then let me off the paying of my taxes for war.

 

[beagle9]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

. If I know that I am helping in a pool so that others can get life sustaining healthcare, then I will walk around with a smile on my face always... Now the problems that allow bad people to rob and corrupt the system, shouldn't make it bad for the good who are in the system, but it should only be bad for those who are bad/criminals corrupting the system. That is the gun philosophy isn't it ? All I see in a lot of this, are people wanting to protect profits and the profiteering industry who makes a killing off of human suffering.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.

And you lose in that contest, by a rout.

Probably. But, well, you got anything related to the debate?

No one has ever presented a substantive convincing argument as to why America would be a better country if we let the poor be as poor can be.

That's why you lose.

 

[Arianrhod]

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.

And you lose in that contest, by a rout.

Probably. But, well, you got anything related to the debate?

No one has ever presented a substantive convincing argument as to why America would be a better country if we let the poor be as poor can be.

That's why you lose.

It's the United States of Me, ME, MEEEEEEEEE!

 

[Slyhunter]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

The fact that we can do heart transplants means we have to do one for everyone who needs/wants one?
What about a head transplant?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

. If I know that I am helping in a pool so that others can get life sustaining healthcare, then I will walk around with a smile on my face always... Now the problems that allow bad people to rob and corrupt the system, shouldn't make it bad for the good who are in the system, but it should only be bad for those who are bad/criminals corrupting the system. That is the gun philosophy isn't it ? All I see in a lot of this, are people wanting to protect profits and the profiteering industry who makes a killing off of human suffering.

You mean like doctors, hospitals, clinics, medical device companies............

I do hope you're family is planning on burying you when you die. Those funeral parlors make a killing.

 

[Arianrhod]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

The fact that we can do heart transplants means we have to do one for everyone who needs/wants one?
What about a head transplant?

Forgetting the fact that even a head transplant wouldn't teach you the difference, what's your argument for not saving lives with heart surgeries?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I can't imagine any American wanting to deny access to urgent healthcare just because they can't afford it

Any Human Being,

it seems the basic values of conservatives are more reptilian than human. Once it appeared it was simply greed which motivated the hoi polloi to the Republican Party in the 1980's; now it seems the character flaws run much deeper. Lacking empathy and withholding care from others is not only mean spirited, it is inhuman and that stands out as the most obvious flaw of the 21st Century (callous) conservatives.

It is the mastery of the super wealthy

To divert attention away from the obscene portion of wealth that they have taken, they point to the poorest Americans and scream....There is the reason you are suffering

The wealthy don't "take" wealth, they earn it like everybody else.

Tell us how trust-fund babies "earn" their wealth. (Excluding Paris Hilton; at least she got off her skinny butt long enough to make porn.)

I don't consider the entertainment industry as earning their wealth. They are doing what they love to do whether they get paid or not. But I never hear anybody from the left complain about what they make a year.

Most wealthy people are not trust fund babies. Most earn their wealth in business and investments.

 

[Arianrhod]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

. If I know that I am helping in a pool so that others can get life sustaining healthcare, then I will walk around with a smile on my face always... Now the problems that allow bad people to rob and corrupt the system, shouldn't make it bad for the good who are in the system, but it should only be bad for those who are bad/criminals corrupting the system. That is the gun philosophy isn't it ? All I see in a lot of this, are people wanting to protect profits and the profiteering industry who makes a killing off of human suffering.

You mean like doctors, hospitals, clinics, medical device companies............

Kindly provide evidence that these entities would not earn a profit under the system Beagle9 describes. Pick any country other than the U.S. for your starting point.

 

[jillian]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

The fact that we can do heart transplants means we have to do one for everyone who needs/wants one?
What about a head transplant?

yes, if you're not rich, you should die. right, genius?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And this is why Republicans are a dying party

Oh, you've been brainwashed into that nonsense too, huh? Well the dying party had record success in retaking the leadership of Congress and the Senate, and Hillary doesn't stand a chance at winning the presidency either. We'll see who is a dying party.

 

[beagle9]

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.

And you lose in that contest, by a rout.

Probably. But, well, you got anything related to the debate?

No one has ever presented a substantive convincing argument as to why America would be a better country if we let the poor be as poor can be.

That's why you lose.

. Or to have medical cost drive them into being as poor as they can be, especially after being productive members in society all their lives. Done seen it before, and done seen people put off medical care because they didn't want to be poor, yet only avoiding the inevitable until there condition finally kills them or breaks them.

 

[Arianrhod]

I can't imagine any American wanting to deny access to urgent healthcare just because they can't afford it

Any Human Being,

it seems the basic values of conservatives are more reptilian than human. Once it appeared it was simply greed which motivated the hoi polloi to the Republican Party in the 1980's; now it seems the character flaws run much deeper. Lacking empathy and withholding care from others is not only mean spirited, it is inhuman and that stands out as the most obvious flaw of the 21st Century (callous) conservatives.

It is the mastery of the super wealthy

To divert attention away from the obscene portion of wealth that they have taken, they point to the poorest Americans and scream....There is the reason you are suffering

The wealthy don't "take" wealth, they earn it like everybody else.

Tell us how trust-fund babies "earn" their wealth. (Excluding Paris Hilton; at least she got off her skinny butt long enough to make porn.)

I don't consider the entertainment industry as earning their wealth. They are doing what they love to do whether they get paid or not. But I never hear anybody from the left complain about what they make a year.

Most wealthy people are not trust fund babies. Most earn their wealth in business and investments.

There are trust-fund babies, then there's the other inherited-wealth sector. Eliminate those, and what percentage are, in your words, "earning their wealth in investments"?

Just sitting there waiting for your broker to let you know how much you've earned this quarter isn't "working" by any sane definition, but go for it. Give us some stats to go with your opinion.

Then we can talk about the self-made b/millionaires. But do yourself a favor and rule out the ones who need to file for bankruptcy every few years, mmkay?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

The same applies to education. Are you also in favor of the poor being less educated than the rich?

Education is mostly a local thing run by towns and cities. If not that, by county or even help from the state. It's up to the people how much they wish to contribute to education.