No One Has a Right to Health Care

[beagle9]

Why is it that we give our money to those who then dictate to us the value of our money, and dictate to us the value of the services in which we get for our money (so they can make a huge profit as the middle men), instead of us being in charge of such a thing ourselves in America, and as American's as it should be ????

Are you talking about Congress?

. No I'm talking about the private insurance industry or who ever's foot the expensive shoes fit on.

 

[dblack]

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

The only We The People your concerned with are the ones the rest of We the People have to support.

Apparently You the People want to assume responsibility for the We the People your concerned with and you assume the rest of We the People want to assume that responsibility as well.

Nice to know you assume everyone wants to assume that responsibility.

You are missing the point of our great Constitution.....we are all We the People

Our founders went to great lengths to ensure that We the People were not just the wealthy. They wanted the poor to have the same rights as the richest man

I didn't miss any point.

The FF would turn over in their graves if they saw some of We the People being forced to support the freeloading We the People.

The poor do have the same rights and rights has nothing to do with it.

Healthcare isn't a right.

Of course healthcare is a right

If We the People say it is. The founding fathers would support universal healthcare if they knew what the fuck it was

And gravity isn't real. If We the People say it isn't!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Getting the government on board with us, and this as far as our health insurance goes, would then cut out the profiteering middle men who end up cheating us in the end anyways right ??? Why not cut out the middle men, and have us and our government deal directly with the providers ?? Our choice in who serves us would be the best solution to this delema, and it would put the private sector on notice that we will choose another avenue to give our business to, if they don't hold themselves to a high standard when providing their services in which we had chosen for them to give to us.

Take insurance out as the middle-men and then the new middle-men is the government.

Given the history of both, who do you trust more?

 

[dblack]

Why is it that we give our money to those who then dictate to us the value of our money, and dictate to us the value of the services in which we get for our money (so they can make a huge profit as the middle men), instead of us being in charge of such a thing ourselves in America, and as American's as it should be ????

Are you talking about Congress?

. No I'm talking about the private insurance industry or who ever's foot the expensive shoes fit on.

If we put government in charge of health care, the shoes will fit on Congress. That's what I don't get. Why do we think that will be any better?

 

[beagle9]

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

The only We The People your concerned with are the ones the rest of We the People have to support.

Apparently You the People want to assume responsibility for the We the People your concerned with and you assume the rest of We the People want to assume that responsibility as well.

Nice to know you assume everyone wants to assume that responsibility.

You are missing the point of our great Constitution.....we are all We the People

Our founders went to great lengths to ensure that We the People were not just the wealthy. They wanted the poor to have the same rights as the richest man

I didn't miss any point.

The FF would turn over in their graves if they saw some of We the People being forced to support the freeloading We the People.

The poor do have the same rights and rights has nothing to do with it.

Healthcare isn't a right.

Of course healthcare is a right

If We the People say it is. The founding fathers would support universal healthcare if they knew what the fuck it was

. It is a right or why would most states agree that you can't denie a person care if they need medical care ? Is that not making it a human right ? The problem is the class warfare that exist within the healthcare insurance system, and the corruption that has been found through out the healthcare industry on whole.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

So you have a "right" to force others to serve you? Well you democrats have always supported and promoted slavery, so in this you are consistent.

 

[beagle9]

Getting the government on board with us, and this as far as our health insurance goes, would then cut out the profiteering middle men who end up cheating us in the end anyways right ??? Why not cut out the middle men, and have us and our government deal directly with the providers ?? Our choice in who serves us would be the best solution to this delema, and it would put the private sector on notice that we will choose another avenue to give our business to, if they don't hold themselves to a high standard when providing their services in which we had chosen for them to give to us.

Take insurance out as the middle-men and then the new middle-men is the government.

Given the history of both, who do you trust more?

. By what I've seen and experienced... The government at this point, but not the government we have, but hopefully a new government once the corrupt one is changed out.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Rights are what we the People make them.

Uh, no.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why is it that we give our money to those who then dictate to us the value of our money, and dictate to us the value of the services in which we get for our money (so they can make a huge profit as the middle men), instead of us being in charge of such a thing ourselves in America, and as American's as it should be ????

"The insurance industry is not a particularly profitable industry. To be more specific, they're the 86th most profitable industry as measured by profit margins, with an average margin of 3.3 percent. That's lower than drug manufacturers (16.5 percent), health information services (9.3 percent), home health care (8.4 percent), medical labs and research (8.2 percent), medical instruments and supplies (6.8 percent), biotech firms (6.7 percent), generic drug manufacturers (6.6 percent), and much else. That's not to pretend that 3.3 percent is nothing, but it's hard to see how that's a primary driver of health-care spending, much less the growthin health-care spending."

Ezra Klein - Profit and the Insurance Industry

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Getting the government on board with us, and this as far as our health insurance goes, would then cut out the profiteering middle men who end up cheating us in the end anyways right ??? Why not cut out the middle men, and have us and our government deal directly with the providers ?? Our choice in who serves us would be the best solution to this delema, and it would put the private sector on notice that we will choose another avenue to give our business to, if they don't hold themselves to a high standard when providing their services in which we had chosen for them to give to us.

Take insurance out as the middle-men and then the new middle-men is the government.

Given the history of both, who do you trust more?

. By what I've seen and experienced... The government at this point, but not the government we have, but hopefully a new government once the corrupt one is changed out.

Government is government no matter who runs it. The fact of the matter is billions of taxpayer money is lost in socialized medical care due to fraud because unlike insurance companies, the government doesn't have investigators overlooking many of the transactions.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Now, don't you feel foolish?

Why, did he take you seriously?

 

[beagle9]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

So you have a "right" to force others to serve you? Well you democrats have always supported and promoted slavery, so in this you are consistent.

. Yep if he is in need of critical care or a critical treatment and /or operation yes. It's not about forcing people in this area of life, but rather to recognize the value of all human life, and to insure equal access and treatment in this area of life. Most are willing to join together for the good of all in this area of life.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

 

[dblack]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

I sometimes think maybe they do, and just don't care.

 

[beagle9]

Getting the government on board with us, and this as far as our health insurance goes, would then cut out the profiteering middle men who end up cheating us in the end anyways right ??? Why not cut out the middle men, and have us and our government deal directly with the providers ?? Our choice in who serves us would be the best solution to this delema, and it would put the private sector on notice that we will choose another avenue to give our business to, if they don't hold themselves to a high standard when providing their services in which we had chosen for them to give to us.

Take insurance out as the middle-men and then the new middle-men is the government.

Given the history of both, who do you trust more?

. By what I've seen and experienced... The government at this point, but not the government we have, but hopefully a new government once the corrupt one is changed out.

Government is government no matter who runs it. The fact of the matter is billions of taxpayer money is lost in socialized medical care due to fraud because unlike insurance companies, the government doesn't have investigators overlooking many of the transactions.

. That would change if government took over the insurance industry, and used it to work to help the citizens and itself to create a great system that would be envied by the entire world.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Why? Because when they get care, somebody else has to pay.

The same applies to education. Are you also in favor of the poor being less educated than the rich?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

 

[dblack]

Why wouldn't you want all Americans to have healthcare regardless of their ability to pay?

What is so alluring about the idea that the poor are less healthy than the rich?

Healthcare isn't water drawn from a mystical well. It is a service provided by other people. No one has a "right" to enslave others. You leftists just can't seem to grasp this.

Then you endorse the idea that the gap between rich and poor should be larger.

It should be whatever "We the People" decide it should be.