NY Post : The $15 Hour Wage KILLING Seattle Jobs

[Hossfly]

Read about that last week or early this week. Oregon was up 5,300 food service jobs statewide, but down 700 in Seattle. Pretty damning evidence.

Hogwash!

Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts

Yes, the loss of 1,000 jobs between April and May, after the implementation of the $11 an hour minimum wage, was large. There was a 900 position drop between August and September, which only shows that few trends work in absolute straight lines. But the gain of 1,100 jobs between May and June, at the same $11 an hour minimum wage, was larger. And that was equaled by the 1,100 position jump between September and October.
In short, the number of restaurant jobs dropped by 2,000 between January 2015 and May, but then increased by 2,900 between May and November, again after the April increase to $11 an hour. Net gain from January to November was 900 jobs.

Every news outlet has their own rules for gathering statistics so I'll take each article with a grain of salt.

Translation: I'll believe the stats I like.

Having studied Economics I will check with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Mr.Projectionist.

 

[edthecynic]

Read about that last week or early this week. Oregon was up 5,300 food service jobs statewide, but down 700 in Seattle. Pretty damning evidence.

Hogwash!

Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts

Yes, the loss of 1,000 jobs between April and May, after the implementation of the $11 an hour minimum wage, was large. There was a 900 position drop between August and September, which only shows that few trends work in absolute straight lines. But the gain of 1,100 jobs between May and June, at the same $11 an hour minimum wage, was larger. And that was equaled by the 1,100 position jump between September and October.
In short, the number of restaurant jobs dropped by 2,000 between January 2015 and May, but then increased by 2,900 between May and November, again after the April increase to $11 an hour. Net gain from January to November was 900 jobs.

Every news outlet has their own rules for gathering statistics so I'll take each article with a grain of salt.

Forbes is hardly a Liberal rag. The article goes into the flaws of the AEI "study."

From my previous link:

Trying to tie short-term data to employment and economic trends is a dangerous game. Usually the time frame is too narrow, creating the danger of seeing patterns that don’t mean anything in a larger context. Sometimes when you wait longer, what seems to have been a disaster turns into something else.

One example from last summer was when the American Enterprise Institute released an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data collected and presented by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. AEI claimed that the minimum wage increase in Seattle was responsible for a loss of 1,300 restaurant jobs in that area. The think tank, which has a bias against minimum wage and regulation, claimed, “The loss of 1,000 restaurant jobs in May following the minimum wage increase in April was the largest one month job decline since a 1,300 drop in January 2009, again during the Great Recession.”

Many restaurant and fast food jobs are at minimum wage levels. One of the criticisms of increasing the minimum wage has been the chilling effect it would have on employment of low-wage workers. Changes in restaurant employment are often seen as proxies for the effects of wage policies.

At the time of the AEI piece I did a detailed analysis to show how poorly the organization had examined the data. Large drops in Seattle-area restaurant employment were hardly unknown and the period between May 2015 and June 2015, immediately after the $11 an hour minimum wage went into effect, showed an increase in sector employment for the region. Cherry-picking time frames is unwise if you are really interested in addressing questions of economics and public policy.

 

[saveliberty]

Meanwhile, employment outside the city limits — which had long tracked the rate in Seattle proper — was soaring by 57,000 and set a new record high that November.

900 jobs sort of pales doesn't it, even if correct. Your article doesn't address how many jobs Wahington gained during the period you note increases in Seattle.

 

[hadit]

the $15 wage is already killing Seattle jobs

Of course to the Socialists, to the Berners, to the retards, to the moochers, to the skylars this not evidence that the government should keep their HANDS OFF the economy

Just for the record, the minimum wage is not 15 in Seattle.

You mean it's going to get WORSE?

 

[Contumacious]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


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For the working class.

How so?

 

[Contumacious]

the $15 wage is already killing Seattle jobs

Of course to the Socialists, to the Berners, to the retards, to the moochers, to the skylars this not evidence that the government should keep their HANDS OFF the economy

Just for the record, the minimum wage is not 15 in Seattle.

True, which means employment in Seattle is going to get far worse

Seattle passed its $15 law in June 2014. Starting last April, it raised the minimum from $9.32 (the state minimum wage) to $10 for certain business, $11 for others.

Increases to $12, $12.50 and $13 an hour began taking effect for most employers this Jan. 1. The jumps will continue until the minimum hits the full $15 an hour in 2017 for some before it’s universal in 2019.

 

[hadit]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


.

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

 

[easyt65]

You LIE!
You're a RACIST!
NOT happening - Libs said that was impossible / would not happen!
'Lalalalalalala...can't hear you!'

 

[saveliberty]

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

What job? Employers are only going to hire experienced employees at $12-15/hour. Remember the 2,000 displaced workers? The good ones got rehired. The teenager will have to commute to the suburbs where job growth was much better...at minimum wage.

 

[hadit]

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

What job? Employers are only going to hire experienced employees at $12-15/hour. Remember the 2,000 displaced workers? The good ones got rehired. The teenager will have to commute to the suburbs where job growth was much better...at minimum wage.

Exactly. Unemployment among the young will go up, especially so for minority kids. It's not rocket science. Heck, France has an awesome system, so awesome that their youth have 25% unemployment.

 

[Katzndogz]

The future of minimum wage.

Would you eat in a restaurant with a robot waiter?

I can hardly wait.

 

[francoHFW]

Read about that last week or early this week. Oregon was up 5,300 food service jobs statewide, but down 700 in Seattle. Pretty damning evidence.

Hogwash!

Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts

Yes, the loss of 1,000 jobs between April and May, after the implementation of the $11 an hour minimum wage, was large. There was a 900 position drop between August and September, which only shows that few trends work in absolute straight lines. But the gain of 1,100 jobs between May and June, at the same $11 an hour minimum wage, was larger. And that was equaled by the 1,100 position jump between September and October.
In short, the number of restaurant jobs dropped by 2,000 between January 2015 and May, but then increased by 2,900 between May and November, again after the April increase to $11 an hour. Net gain from January to November was 900 jobs.

Every news outlet has their own rules for gathering statistics so I'll take each article with a grain of salt.

Forbes is hardly a Liberal rag. The article goes into the flaws of the AEI "study."

From my previous link:

Trying to tie short-term data to employment and economic trends is a dangerous game. Usually the time frame is too narrow, creating the danger of seeing patterns that don’t mean anything in a larger context. Sometimes when you wait longer, what seems to have been a disaster turns into something else.

One example from last summer was when the American Enterprise Institute released an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data collected and presented by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. AEI claimed that the minimum wage increase in Seattle was responsible for a loss of 1,300 restaurant jobs in that area. The think tank, which has a bias against minimum wage and regulation, claimed, “The loss of 1,000 restaurant jobs in May following the minimum wage increase in April was the largest one month job decline since a 1,300 drop in January 2009, again during the Great Recession.”

Many restaurant and fast food jobs are at minimum wage levels. One of the criticisms of increasing the minimum wage has been the chilling effect it would have on employment of low-wage workers. Changes in restaurant employment are often seen as proxies for the effects of wage policies.

At the time of the AEI piece I did a detailed analysis to show how poorly the organization had examined the data. Large drops in Seattle-area restaurant employment were hardly unknown and the period between May 2015 and June 2015, immediately after the $11 an hour minimum wage went into effect, showed an increase in sector employment for the region. Cherry-picking time frames is unwise if you are really interested in addressing questions of economics and public policy.

The AEI and the Post, along with the rest of the Pub Propaganda Machine, are totally FOS, dupes.

 

[Agit8r]

If you read the study itself, The businesses just moved to the suburbs (which wouldn't be possible if the wage was the same everywhere)

New evidence suggests that Seattle's 'radical experiment' might be a model for the rest of the nation not to follow - AEI

 

[Howey]

the $15 wage is already killing Seattle jobs

Of course to the Socialists, to the Berners, to the retards, to the moochers, to the skylars this not evidence that the government should keep their HANDS OFF the economy

Interesting how neither your nor The NY Post don't give us the update from the conservative think tank AEI?

I wonder why?

New evidence suggests that Seattle's 'radical experiment' might be a model for the rest of the nation not to follow - AEI

Update: The chart below shows that while the city of Seattle experienced a sharp drop in employment of more 11,000 jobs between April and December last year (light blue line, BLS data available here), employment in Seattle’s neighboring suburbs outside the city limits (Seattle MSA employment minus Seattle city employment) increased over that period by nearly 57,000 jobs and reached a new record high in November 2015 before falling slightly in December.

Bottom Line II: Additional evidence showing that while jobs in the city of Seattle were tanking starting last April, employment in the suburbs surrounding Seattle was increasing steadily to a new record high in November. That departure in employment trends: job declines inside the city limits of Seattle compared to increasing employment outside the city limits suggests the possibility that the difference in labor costs could have been a contributing factor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


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Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

 

[hadit]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


.

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

 

[saveliberty]

Businesses follow the best tax breaks and wage rates.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Not true, but a great reason for a FEDERAL law. Enough of the New BS GOP wrecking the nonrich and the country...

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The AEI study, worked up from Bureau of Labor Statistics’ monthly surveys, shows that, between April and December last year, Seattle saw the biggest employment drop in any nine-month period since 2009 — a full year into the Great Recession..

The April 2015 raise was 68 cents on some jobs 1.68 on others. 9.32 to 10, or 11, not to 15.

Tell us what percent of the above job losses were minimum wage jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Businesses follow the best tax breaks and wage rates.

No they don't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


.

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?