NY Post : The $15 Hour Wage KILLING Seattle Jobs

[Timmy]

Business still need qualified educated workers, infrastructure , customers .

You can't just move your biz to east bumfuck Alabama and expect everything to improve because it's cheaper .

 

[hadit]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

Better for whom?


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Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper. When the cost of a worker rises above alternate means to get the job done, the worker doesn't do the job any more. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager come out to pump your gas, check your tires and engine fluids any more?

 

[hadit]

Business still need qualified educated workers, infrastructure , customers .

You can't just move your biz to east bumfuck Alabama and expect everything to improve because it's cheaper .

And qualified, educated workers still get good jobs. A computer science degree can open a lot of doors.

 

[saveliberty]

Businesses follow the best tax breaks and wage rates.

No they don't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Better for whom?


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Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper. When the cost of a worker rises above alternate means to get the job done, the worker doesn't do the job any more. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager come out to pump your gas, check your tires and engine fluids any more?

So the US should reconcile itself to the reality that we are going to have a permanent underclass, living on low wages and government subsidies,

and that underclass will only get bigger over time?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Better for whom?


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Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper.

So Trump is peddling pie in the sky?

 

[OKTexas]

Who didn't see that coming? Oh right, the ignorant regressives that's never ran a business.

EVIDENCE that voting for a politicians who supports the gargantuan bankrupt welfare/warfare police state is dangerous to OUR COLLECTIVE health.


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Deflection in and off topic post in your own thread?

 

[hadit]

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper. When the cost of a worker rises above alternate means to get the job done, the worker doesn't do the job any more. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager come out to pump your gas, check your tires and engine fluids any more?

So the US should reconcile itself to the reality that we are going to have a permanent underclass, living on low wages and government subsidies,

and that underclass will only get bigger over time?

The US should reconcile itself to the reality that our labor costs are very high and that, unless we are willing to pay significantly higher prices for goods and services, an awful lot of low skilled manual labor jobs will never return to our country, and even if we are willing to pay more, automation will replace a lot of those jobs. Make of that what you will.

 

[hadit]

Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper.

So Trump is peddling pie in the sky?

Probably. He knows more than anyone what labor costs and that he would not pay more than he has to for it. The good jobs are going to require ever higher levels of skill, education and training. Of course, the empty promises from the other side of the aisle that pretend we can just make more stuff free are not only vain, but dangerous as well.

 

[g5000]

Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, Washington Metropolitan Unemployment Rate and Total Unemployed | Department of Numbers

 

[edthecynic]

Meanwhile, employment outside the city limits — which had long tracked the rate in Seattle proper — was soaring by 57,000 and set a new record high that November.

900 jobs sort of pales doesn't it, even if correct. Your article doesn't address how many jobs Wahington gained during the period you note increases in Seattle.

Gee, 900 jobs for 1 (ONE) city and 57,000 for the ENTIRE STATE.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since the thread title is absolutely false, shouldn't this thread be moved?

 

[initforme]

OK then drop the wage to $8 per hour. Fine with me I'm retired. No self respecting person works for under $20 per hour anyway. You pretend to pay me, I pretend to work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Better for whom?


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Certainly not for the teenager who can't afford college and is trying to get a job so he can have a better life than that of a thug. He's priced out of the market.

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper. When the cost of a worker rises above alternate means to get the job done, the worker doesn't do the job any more. Ever wonder why you don't have a teenager come out to pump your gas, check your tires and engine fluids any more?

When self-service pumps first started, it was an option.

Service stations made higher profits by having their mechanics work on cars rather than stopping to pump gasoline. So service stations began to offer lower prices on gasoline if you pumped your own.

It started out as one lowly island. As the demand to buy cheaper gasoline became more popular, service stations added more self-serve pumps. After a while, everybody wanted the cheaper gas and the full-serve island was hardly used. Then of course, they went to all self-serve islands as service stations slowly eliminated auto repair and opened up convenience stores for higher profit.

Like anything else, it's the American consumer that put those gas jockeys out of a job. American consumers always flock to lower prices. That's why Wal-Mart is the number one store today and has been for quite a while now. They sell cheap items.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Business still need qualified educated workers, infrastructure , customers .

You can't just move your biz to east bumfuck Alabama and expect everything to improve because it's cheaper .

You would be surprised, but many have. As a local truck driver, I've seen dozens of our customers relocate because businesses went to lower wage states and to break the unions. Nobody wants to move, but when costs are cheaper elsewhere and you have competition to consider, sometimes you have no choice but to move.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Better 2 jobs at $15 than 6 jobs at $5.

They'll be lucky to find one job at $15

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Just for the record, the minimum wage is not 15 in Seattle.

Correct. It's between $12 and $13 now. It will hit $15 next year for some

$15 Minimum Wage

If job losses are already starting because of $12 imagine what will happen when it's $15

 

[NYcarbineer]

Businesses either need workers or they don't.

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper.

So Trump is peddling pie in the sky?

Probably. He knows more than anyone what labor costs and that he would not pay more than he has to for it. The good jobs are going to require ever higher levels of skill, education and training. Of course, the empty promises from the other side of the aisle that pretend we can just make more stuff free are not only vain, but dangerous as well.

Higher wages for US workers also put more buying back into the economy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just for the record, the minimum wage is not 15 in Seattle.

Correct. It's between $12 and $13 now. It will hit $15 next year for some

$15 Minimum Wage

If job losses are already starting because of $12 imagine what will happen when it's $15

Washington state has one of the highest minimum wages in the country and is not suffering from it.

 

[hadit]

Yup, and if they can't make more from the worker's labor than it cost to hire him, they do without, buy a robot, or outsource the operation to a cheaper place, aka overseas. Enjoy paying a lot more for an American made TV, if you can find one.

So we should support paying Chinese wages to get those TV manufacturing jobs back?

You're not going to ever get those jobs back, because American workers are more expensive than the machines that can do a better job assembling TV's. Chinese workers do it now because they're even cheaper.

So Trump is peddling pie in the sky?

Probably. He knows more than anyone what labor costs and that he would not pay more than he has to for it. The good jobs are going to require ever higher levels of skill, education and training. Of course, the empty promises from the other side of the aisle that pretend we can just make more stuff free are not only vain, but dangerous as well.

Higher wages for US workers also put more buying back into the economy.

Yeah, yeah, you keep saying that kind of stuff, and it does for the people who have the higher paying jobs. What you are ignoring is the impact on those who DON'T have the jobs and can't get the jobs because they can't justify the cost of hiring them. The only way a MW works without dragging down the economy is if it's kept low enough so as to not really matter.