Obama Caves to Senate on Iran Deal

"During that period, lawmakers could vote their disapproval of the agreement. Any such resolution would have to clear a relatively high bar to become law, requiring 60 votes to pass and 67, or two-thirds of the Senate, to override a presidential veto."

Actually, they've already cleared the hurdles. There is major bipartisan support for congressional oversight.

Oversight, yes. Rejecting a hypothetical deal with Iran? Not so much.

Actually, it wasn't a "hypothetical deal." Given Obama's victory lap over a "framework deal," you'd think he'd found the solution to world peace. A "framework deal" meant that a final deal was supposedly not far off. It wasn't hypothetical at that time, and so that is what Congress was acting on. It only became "hypothetical" when Iran publicly rejected the framework of the deal as it stood by demanding immediate relief from economic sanctions.
 
"During that period, lawmakers could vote their disapproval of the agreement. Any such resolution would have to clear a relatively high bar to become law, requiring 60 votes to pass and 67, or two-thirds of the Senate, to override a presidential veto."

Actually, they've already cleared the hurdles. There is major bipartisan support for congressional oversight.

Oversight, yes. Rejecting a hypothetical deal with Iran? Not so much.

Actually, it wasn't a "hypothetical deal." Given Obama's victory lap over a "framework deal," you'd think he'd found the solution to world peace. A "framework deal" meant that a final deal was supposedly not far off. It wasn't hypothetical at that time, and so that is what Congress was acting on. It only became "hypothetical" when Iran publicly rejected the framework of the deal as it stood by demanding immediate relief from economic sanctions.

A finalized deal, in front of Congress, in accordance with the bill passed in the OP, is at this point in time, hypothetical.

I am using the term according to it's dictionary definition.
 
Doctor

When the regime changes, the treaty does just disappear. We had a treaty with the Shaw, not the Mullahs. The old government doesn't even exist any more.
 
Doctor

When the regime changes, the treaty does just disappear. We had a treaty with the Shaw, not the Mullahs. The old government doesn't even exist any more.

It doesn't matter. The country is still a signatory of it. The Russian Federation never signed the NPT, either - the USSR did.
 
Doctor

Russia? They signed as having nukes then, and still have them. What does that have to do with Iran's old regime promising not to get nukes? Their current regime doesn't have to honor that. If they did, there wouldn't even be an issue of talks now.
 
White House Would Accept Senate Compromise on Iran Nuclear Deal - NBC News

The White House signaled Tuesday that it would grudgingly acquiesce to lawmakers' demands to have a say in a nuclear deal with Iran — after Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved a measure that would force President Barack Obama to submit any agreement to Congress.

The committee voted 19-0 for a bill that would give Congress at least a month to review the details of an agreement. During the review, Obama would be prohibited from waiving congressionally imposed sanctions on Iran — which the administration says would be needed to get Iran to sign a deal.

The measure now goes to the Senate floor, where the Republican leadership expects it to pass, congressional aides told NBC News. Obama could still veto it, but supporters said they believe they have the votes to override.



the prezbo did not cave on anything

the senate once again ceded their power over to the executive branch
 
Why do you think Congress is passing the bill in the OP, if they already had that power?

Be cause Obama doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that power. That was the whole point.

Come on man, think about it.

If they already had the power, they'd take it to SCOTUS.

Not write a law that gave them that power.
 
I think that what we have seen the last few days, is Russia and the Ayatollahs bitch-slapping Obama and the foreign policy instituted by he and his first Secretary of State...and carried down to this critical point by Kerry.

There is failure everywhere.

And, I think that the insiders in Washington...the U. S. Senators, Democrat and Republican...know how bad the bitch-slapping is; and know that there is likely worse to come...and they have responded by placing Obama's foreign policy under a Conservatorship.

We are at great risk...the absolute failure of Obama's foreign policy, puts us at this risk for the next 21 months...because Putin and the Ayatollahs know they have to make their moves while this lame duck fool and pussy is still in office.

He is chum and the sharks are circling.

Look for Putin to provoke a crisis in some place like Estonia, Lithiuania, one of them....which will effectively collapse NATO....unless Obama sacks up.

The community organizer; Bill Clinton's wife; Kerry, the husband of a Ketchup Heiress who bought him some offices; Susan Rice, a proven liar; Jarrett, the First Lady's BFF....this is who is looking out for us.

Sleep well.
 
As a side note Obiwan if you want to get my attention, quote my post or "mention" me (type out "@"+theDoctorisIn). That'll send an alert, so I (or anyone else) will know that you've responded to me (or anyone else).
 
It doesn't matter. The country is still a signatory of it. The Russian Federation never signed the NPT, either - the USSR did.

Even though the USSR signed it, the Russian Federation remains bound by it; further so by its participation in the 2010 NPT Review Conference at UN headquarters in New York. They were among 172 other nations who ratified a final document overseeing the indefinite enforcement of the NPT.

Ironic though, that Russia is selling or wanting to sell missile systems to Iran before a deal is reached. They are part of the P5+1 negotiating the deal in the first place. Counterproductive, agree?
 
It doesn't matter. The country is still a signatory of it. The Russian Federation never signed the NPT, either - the USSR did.

Even though the USSR signed it, the Russian Federation remains bound by it.

Ironic though, that Russia is selling or wanting to sell missile systems to Iran before a deal is reached. They are part of the P5+1 negotiating the deal in the first place. Counterproductive, agree?

Russia selling anti aircraft missiles to Iran doesn't actually seem to matter at all, in terms of a nuclear deal.
 
If they already had the power, they'd take it to SCOTUS.

Not write a law that gave them that power.

I agree it was rather redundant, but they wouldn't have had to write such a law if the President simply acknowledged such power. There was no need to go crying to the SCOTUS when Congress could resolve the issue on its own.

It's written plain and clear in Article 2, Section II, Clause II of the Constitution.
 
If they already had the power, they'd take it to SCOTUS.

Not write a law that gave them that power.

I agree it was rather redundant, but they wouldn't have had to write such a law if the President simply acknowledged such power. There was no need to go crying to the SCOTUS when Congress could resolve the issue on its own.

It's written plain and clear in Article 2, Section II, Clause II of the Constitution.

No. Seriously, think about it.

By passing this law to give them this power, they are acknowledging that they don't already have it.
 
It doesn't matter. The country is still a signatory of it. The Russian Federation never signed the NPT, either - the USSR did.

Even though the USSR signed it, the Russian Federation remains bound by it.

Ironic though, that Russia is selling or wanting to sell missile systems to Iran before a deal is reached. They are part of the P5+1 negotiating the deal in the first place. Counterproductive, agree?

Russia selling anti aircraft missiles to Iran doesn't actually seem to matter at all, in terms of a nuclear deal.

Yes it does. The type of system being sold to Iran is the S-300p Long Range Surface to Air Missile system, with an effective range of 93 miles depending on the type of warhead. Russia previously sold these systems to Syria a while back (incidentally, if you placed a S-300p in Daraa, Syria, it would be in striking distance of Tel-Aviv Israel). There is a danger that these missiles can be re-purposed as tactical nuclear missiles. So it does in fact have a major impact. With Russia selling weapons and technology to the Iranians, that possibility is real, given that they [Russia] have the ability to miniaturize a nuclear warhead.
 
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It doesn't matter. The country is still a signatory of it. The Russian Federation never signed the NPT, either - the USSR did.

Even though the USSR signed it, the Russian Federation remains bound by it.

Ironic though, that Russia is selling or wanting to sell missile systems to Iran before a deal is reached. They are part of the P5+1 negotiating the deal in the first place. Counterproductive, agree?

Russia selling anti aircraft missiles to Iran doesn't actually seem to matter at all, in terms of a nuclear deal.

Yes it does. The type of system being sold to Iran is the S-300p Long Range Surface to Air Missile system, with an effective range of 93 miles (depending. Russia previously sold these systems to Syria a while back (incidentally, if you placed a S-300p in Daraa, Syria, it would be in striking distance of Tel-Aviv). There is a danger that these missiles can be re-purposed as tactical nuclear missiles. So it does in fact have a major impact. With Russia selling weapons and technology to the Iranians, that possibility is real, given that they [Russia] have the ability to miniaturize a nuclear warhead.

There is absolutely no danger that these missiles could be "repurposed" as tactical nuclear missiles. It's simply not possible.

S-300s are anti-aircraft systems.
 

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