Obama Orders New Efficiency for Big Trucks

[bripat9643]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you'd care about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution, since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP votes.

The tea party hasn't a goddamn point. There entire case is made of blind hatred of all forms of government. They imagine themselves farming some field or hunting crook in some swamp.

It isn't blind hatred. It's a very informed and very well justified hatred. Government is the cause of all the greatest evils in the world. There is nothing government does without pointing a gun at someone's head. If there is anything more certain to send us back into primitive agricultural subsistence farming, it's out of control government. What do you think caused the fall of the Roman Empire?

 

[The T]

Obama is all bad.

There are lots of things he could do that I wouldn't bitch about. He could cut taxes, cut spending, abolish the EPA, abolish the NSA, abolish the Dept. of Agriculture, yada, yada, yada . . . the list is endless. Of course, Obama is never going to do any of those things because he is a Marxist.

No president is all good just as no president is all bad. Even the best of presidents make mistakes and even the worst of presidents sometimes pass good laws. THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES! Yet, that is exactly how you think of Obama.
I rest my case. Your posts have nothing to do with reality or common sense. Day in and day out all we see from you is a hate filled rant. In other words, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER. And that is why I seldom waste time on you.

What good laws has Obama passed? Even if there were some, would that compensate for the fact that he wipes his ugly ass on the Constitution every time he announces some new scheme?

Not to rain on such a good point my friend? But Obama left the legislature long ago...NOT without saying he still thinks he can pass laws without that body...

 

[RoadVirus]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

I DO seem to recall His Royal Highness stating that he would regulate coal out of existence - that "if they want to build a coal fired plant, it will bankrupt them"

And in the same breath, "making energy prices skyrocket", to hell with whether American households can afford it or not.

 

[eagle1462010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/u...w-rules-for-cutting-truck-pollution.html?_r=1

The new regulations, to be drafted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Transportation Department by March 2015 and completed a year later so they are in place before Mr. Obama leaves office, are the latest in a series of actions intended to cut back on greenhouse gases without the sort of comprehensive legislation the president failed to push through Congress in his first term.



Tom Steyer at the office of NextGen Climate Action, his political organization, in San Francisco.Financier Plans Big Ad Campaign on Climate ChangeFEB. 17, 2014
The new regulation would primarily affect the country’s 600 coal-fired power plants, like this one in Texas, and could ultimately shutter hundreds of them.E.P.A. Staff Struggling to Create Pollution RuleFEB. 4, 2014
The limits on greenhouse gas pollution from trucks would combine with previous rules requiring passenger cars and light trucks to burn fuel more efficiently and pending rules to limit the carbon emissions of power plants. Cumulatively, experts said the à la carte approach should enable Mr. Obama to meet his target of cutting carbon pollution in the United States by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. But they said he would still be far short of his goal of an 80 percent reduction by 2050.

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Other than committing suicide is there anything President Obama could do that you wouldn't bitch about?
No president is all good just as no president is all bad. Even the best of presidents make mistakes and even the worst of presidents sometimes pass good laws. THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES! Yet, that is exactly how you think of Obama. If Obama sends troops into Syria you condemn him for putting American lives at risk and for taking America into another war. If he does not send troops into Syria you condemn him for ignoring the peace loving Syrians who are being killed by their own government.

BS. There are ABSOLUTES. It is called the Constitution of the United States of America. There are RULES TO MAKING LAWS, but Mr. POTUS who is supposed to be a Constitutional kind of guy is violating them. He also SWORE AN OATH to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. He is in VIOLATION OF THIS OATH OF OFFICE.

We have come to a place where your sorry butt doesn't give a rat's ass that he is ABUSING HIS AUTHORITY OF OFFICE. Some have stated that the Clean Air Act has given him this Authority. PROVE IT. And not with the usual excuses of they have the right to do WHATEVER THE HELL they want without passing new laws.

This is what the Dems do. Create regs that INCREASE COSTS and KILL ECONOMIES. But you turkeys can't see the forest for the trees. The alternative fuel requirements in this country passed in 2005 WERE IMPOSSIBLE. Because the Bio fuels on MASS SCALE were INSANITY. Which is why they stopped using ETHANOL after we used 40% of the corn, and the process uses more freakin energy to produce it than it's worth. Without subsidies or gas prices would have increased by a dollar a gallon.

Bottom line. You either SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OR YOU DON'T.

Sorry for the late response. Working and our internet service was down.

 

[FA_Q2]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you cared about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional. At some point you have to stand up for actual principals, and not be merely a cheerleader/loyal attack dog for one party.)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP probably votes.

While calling other people out you might want to bother actually addressing what they are saying rather than blindly posting irrelevant facts and misleading statements. No one here (and almost no one on this entire board) is stating that EO’s are unconstitutional. Almost no one opposes EOs in general. They are very useful for the running of the executive branch. If Obama signed a thousand EOs I wouldn’t give a rats ass. The only thing that would signify is that he has a lot of instructions to send to his agencies.

What the people here are pointing out is THE CONTENT of those EOs. The fact that you can point to the number signed is utterly irrelevant (and extremely childish).

The point here is that the president could not get his changes passed into law so he made it ‘law’ with an EO – something that is blatantly wrong no matter how you look at it. You might be able to get away with doing so because a previous law (the one that he ‘clarified’) was so vapid as to be useless. Congress failed miserably in creating these agencies because they essentially gave congressional powers over to the president so they would not have to actually do anything. It is entirely asinine.

Now, point to an EO where Bush changed the law and you will have agreement from me – it was wrong. Point to the number of EOs signed and I will call you out for meaningless attacks.


I would also like to bring up something another poster pointed out today (I’ll have to find the post later) that is rather funny.

You guys on the left are CONTINUALLY telling the right how Bush was the worst president in history (or at least damn near it) and yet every damn time you defend Obama it is always with the same rhetoric – saying he is just like Bush.

Interesting….

 

[FA_Q2]

Some times the greatest of innovation happens when you push something. I have faith that trucks will get the mileage and meet this standard within the next 10-15 years.

Yes, faith.

The problem is that is ALL that the left has – faith that others will take care of the details whenever you pull random shit out of your asses. That is always a good way to spur innovation. When is congress going to legislate that all new homes will be equipped with a teleporter? THAT will cut down on smog emissions from cars…

 

[Geaux4it]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/u...w-rules-for-cutting-truck-pollution.html?_r=1

The new regulations, to be drafted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Transportation Department by March 2015 and completed a year later so they are in place before Mr. Obama leaves office, are the latest in a series of actions intended to cut back on greenhouse gases without the sort of comprehensive legislation the president failed to push through Congress in his first term.



Tom Steyer at the office of NextGen Climate Action, his political organization, in San Francisco.Financier Plans Big Ad Campaign on Climate ChangeFEB. 17, 2014
The new regulation would primarily affect the country’s 600 coal-fired power plants, like this one in Texas, and could ultimately shutter hundreds of them.E.P.A. Staff Struggling to Create Pollution RuleFEB. 4, 2014
The limits on greenhouse gas pollution from trucks would combine with previous rules requiring passenger cars and light trucks to burn fuel more efficiently and pending rules to limit the carbon emissions of power plants. Cumulatively, experts said the à la carte approach should enable Mr. Obama to meet his target of cutting carbon pollution in the United States by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. But they said he would still be far short of his goal of an 80 percent reduction by 2050.

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

This mans incompetence has no borders.

Obama can kiss my ass

He's lucky the US hasn't gone Ukraine on his dumb ass.

-Geaux

 

[HenryBHough]

Patience, Geaux.

Patience.

 

[boedicca]

That Obama! He's such a trip!

Thinking he can just wave his hands and magically alter the laws of physics.

 

[longknife]

Another Obozo attempt to destroy the middle class of America.

Most truckers live on the edge, barely making a living after fuel prices, insurance, and various rules and regulations.

Now they want to further jack up the price of trucks and what it will take to maintain them?

Can anyone explain to me what his goal is in doing this?

 

[natstew]

"Pharaoh has spoken, it is so".

 

[natstew]

Another Obozo attempt to destroy the middle class of America.

Most truckers live on the edge, barely making a living after fuel prices, insurance, and various rules and regulations.

Now they want to further jack up the price of trucks and what it will take to maintain them?

Can anyone explain to me what his goal is in doing this?

Yes, his goal is to put the small and independent truckers out of business and off the highways. It's 'pay back' to the Teamsters Union and big trucking corporations.

 

[Katzndogz]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you'd care about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution, since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP votes.

Presidents up until now may have issued more executive orders but none has used executive orders as a substitute for legislation or congressional action.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Some times the greatest of innovation happens when you push something. I have faith that trucks will get the mileage and meet this standard within the next 10-15 years.

The 2008 and 2011 emission standards and the required equipment HURT mileage, as well as creating all sorts of problems for diesel engines. Where I work, my truck gets the BEST mileage...this despite being the most-capable box truck, with the highest box (the only full-height 13'6" truck), the most-powerful engine (250HP versus 220 or 230), and the most miles (~170,000). The difference: I have the ONLY pre-DPF truck! My truck is a 2007, with the last of the Caterpillar diesels. The others are 2008's and 2012's, with emission engines (one International MaxxForce DT, four Cummins 6.7's).

The emission engines are dreadful...burning more fuel to make less power, all sorts of problems with the emission systems, and EGR coking up the intakes.

 

[Jarlaxle]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

FALSE:

1. Coal power plants don't have to be "killed off" entirely, only hybridized with solar thermal to reduce coal usage per year: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/338907-first-hyrbid-solar-thermal-power-plant-in-florida.html

2. Increasing efficiency in cars means burning fuels with platinum particulates found in cumbersome [drag producing/low milege producing] smog systems.

The catalytic converters BigOil engineered to suit themselves with the cooperation of auto manufacturers [which they are and always have been deeply in bed with] in the smog systems were to burn unused fuel AFTER the combustion stroke of the car. Genius! Instead of using that particulate platinum introduction to improve efficiency to push the car forward AND reduce smog at the same time, they strapped the car down with more pulleys, pumps, reburners and the like AFTER the important part of combustion. Result? less smog and less fuel efficiency which means you have to burn MORE gas to get from point A to point B.

No, Silly, you're wrong, again and still. Catalysts turn carbon monoxide into CO2. They are no restriction and use no more fuel. Three-way catalysts (used since the early 80's) also turn oxides of nitrogen into oxygen & nitrogen. Modern engines have no significant unburned fuel in the exhaust. In fact, the emissions of a modern car are basically nil. (When smogged, my Magnum blew zeros across the board!)

If Obama's "improve efficiency" laws mean strapping trucks down with more smog equipment, that means requiring more fuel to be burned and therefore less efficiency. Take the platinum particulates [larger chunks won't do, the smaller the platinum particles the better they work to completely combust fuels] and make the smog reduction happen in the combustion chamber. Not the exhaust system. Less fuel burned, less smog produced.

BigOil should hang its head in shame.

Only diesels use catalysts to deal with unburned fuel, reducing it to CO2 and water. After 2007, they used a particulate filter...basically, a soot trap. Newer (post-2010) diesels also use a second catalyst, with a urea solution added to the exhaust to reduce nitrogen oxides. Since cleaning out the DPF requires burning it out by injecting raw fuel, these engines DO use more fuel than older engines. (Which is one reason for the popularity of ordering tractors as "gliders".)

 

[Jarlaxle]

Some times the greatest of innovation happens when you push something. I have faith that trucks will get the mileage and meet this standard within the next 10-15 years.

If it were possible, it would be done. An OTR semi can burn more than $60,000 worth of fuel in ONE YEAR! Any fleet manager would KILL for a 5% increase in fuel mileage!

 

[Mac1958]

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Another example of how they're pro-business.



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[HenryBHough]

Long time (decades) family trucking/excavating business nearby is phasing out. Cost of compliance is sufficiently large that turning any profit from competitive bid projects is no longer possible. Larger out-of-state firms are picking it all up. Not because they are bidding lower - because the local business has decided it's not worth the hassle; not worth the cost of new equipment that could be rendered useless with one more stroke of the magic Obamapen. Owners have enough - their children have become lawyers, doctors, one nurse and others are well into learning other professions. None of them wants to deal with the hassles or the expense of replacing lots of still usable equipment. Now when things finally break down or just aren't needed they're parked. Not even attempting sales. Come next fall it all goes for scrap value. Total employment hit? 60 jobs gone. Atlas has, once more, shrugged.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Hmm...they don't have any ramp trucks, do they?

 

[HenryBHough]

Hmm...they don't have any ramp trucks, do they?

About 20 graders left. A big fleet of 10-wheel dumps. Still about 5 belly-dumps. Strangely, just one low-boy but several sizes of excavator. But none are for sale. All are pretty well depreciated so to sell them would be to create tax liabilities. Oh, one service truck but no ramp trucks.