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I will try to keep these type posts to a minimum but Dave makes a point that he is a vet. The military is a near perfect welfare state. Ironic isn't it?
are u saying soliders dont perform jobs for their pay?
No. 'Welfare' is the wrong word. What I mean is that the military is not a capitistic model, kind of like school grants. The government believes in protecting the country so it pays soldiers. The government believes education is good so it gives grants. Same principle. Right? A different principle is raise cattle for market.
All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.
Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.
And this would reduce class size how? Are you honestly suggesting that local officials are NOT reducing class sizes and are NOT hiring more teachers because of Federal rules from the Dept of Education? What are those rules then?Eliminating the Dept of Ed would put control of education back into the hands of local officials who know local education needs better.
How? If you and I are teachers and you're shitty and get fired, how does that make me better? How does me now having to teach your students in addition to mine help me teach better?Eliminating the power of teachers unions to prevent principals from getting rid of shitty teachers would improve teacher quality.
It's never been explained. You guys keep claiming it, but then never explain the steps. Your logic is like this:Neither concept is hard to grasp, and have been explained many times. Just because you don't listen does not mean it has not been explained.
1. Class size is too big.
2. Give more local control.
3.
4. Smaller class sizes accomplished.
How does having more local control translate to more teachers and smaller classes?
I will try to keep these type posts to a minimum but Dave makes a point that he is a vet. The military is a near perfect welfare state. Ironic isn't it?
Welfare?? You trying to assert that I did not work for any compensation I got, or any benefit I got??
Dream on, asshole...
I worked more in my service time that you ever will in your entire fucking life
they made a clarification.
Single mom with two kids who is on food stamps and welfare, but wants to get a career and move up but needs some help, your advice is "Fuck you. Work harder. Oh, and we're cutting your food stamps and welfare."
Personally feelings aside of how large an ass you are, this is economically speaking, the dumbest approach you could possibly take.
I will try to keep these type posts to a minimum but Dave makes a point that he is a vet. The military is a near perfect welfare state. Ironic isn't it?
Welfare?? You trying to assert that I did not work for any compensation I got, or any benefit I got??
Dream on, asshole...
I worked more in my service time that you ever will in your entire fucking life
Welfare?? You trying to assert that I did not work for any compensation I got, or any benefit I got??
Dream on, asshole...
I worked more in my service time that you ever will in your entire fucking life
they made a clarification.
A piss poor clarification... compensation for actual work is not like handing out a grant for doing nothing related to employment
If we got rid of unions who protect teachers who passed students who didn't meet the standards of the curriculum, it wouldn't the taxpayers a dime. Teachers who just wing it in the classroom and pass students on willy nilly are the problem. We need strong administrators who can recognize good teachers and can accurate evaluate a students progress and can document grades accurately.
It's as easy as that, but hard because Unions protect the poor quality teachers.
they made a clarification.
A piss poor clarification... compensation for actual work is not like handing out a grant for doing nothing related to employment
i agree but im not going to insult or berate if they attempt to say whoa i made a mistake. I do it all the time. I think we should extend that as good manners. I agree at first with u and went on the defense but he did say he didt mean wellfare.
Also notice this money he proposes is going to union members?
the hell you little people, teachers are just more important than you
I will try to keep these type posts to a minimum but Dave makes a point that he is a vet. The military is a near perfect welfare state. Ironic isn't it?
Welfare?? You trying to assert that I did not work for any compensation I got, or any benefit I got??
Dream on, asshole...
I worked more in my service time that you ever will in your entire fucking life
so do I as a State Employee....so do cops and prison guards and teachers and clerks and janitors.
I never said teachers are the only ones. Why do you continue to try and put words in my mouth?this argument again, yes teachers are the only ones who work on their offdays, many office people looking to get ahead never work either, ive never seen my sister bring her laptop home from work to keep working yes yes yes its only teachers.
I do know how hard it is to fire them. And I agree it's good that it's hard to fire them. You have yet to explain why making it easier would help other teachers be better.look up how hard it is to fire a tenured teacher, u really dont have a clue.
Huh. Really? So, you would agree then that rewarding the ones who work harder would help alleviate this situation? So, you would agree, that President Obama's plan would benefit teachers.and ive talked to many a teachers and even they are seeing the light, it irks them some work hard and some dont, it irks them that they have passsing students and some just pass students. But u know u know all the rest of us are here to learn from u how dare we think for ourselves.
I never said teachers are the only ones. Why do you continue to try and put words in my mouth?this argument again, yes teachers are the only ones who work on their offdays, many office people looking to get ahead never work either, ive never seen my sister bring her laptop home from work to keep working yes yes yes its only teachers.
I'm merely pointing out you're wrong when you say they have weekends and holidays off, because many times, they don't.
I do know how hard it is to fire them. And I agree it's good that it's hard to fire them. You have yet to explain why making it easier would help other teachers be better.look up how hard it is to fire a tenured teacher, u really dont have a clue.
Huh. Really? So, you would agree then that rewarding the ones who work harder would help alleviate this situation? So, you would agree, that President Obama's plan would benefit teachers.and ive talked to many a teachers and even they are seeing the light, it irks them some work hard and some dont, it irks them that they have passsing students and some just pass students. But u know u know all the rest of us are here to learn from u how dare we think for ourselves.
Good. We agree.
Obama proposes $1B for science, math teachers - Yahoo! News
We know how Repugs feel about science, lol.
And this would reduce class size how? Are you honestly suggesting that local officials are NOT reducing class sizes and are NOT hiring more teachers because of Federal rules from the Dept of Education? What are those rules then?Eliminating the Dept of Ed would put control of education back into the hands of local officials who know local education needs better.
How? If you and I are teachers and you're shitty and get fired, how does that make me better? How does me now having to teach your students in addition to mine help me teach better?
It's never been explained. You guys keep claiming it, but then never explain the steps. Your logic is like this:Neither concept is hard to grasp, and have been explained many times. Just because you don't listen does not mean it has not been explained.
1. Class size is too big.
2. Give more local control.
3.
4. Smaller class sizes accomplished.
How does having more local control translate to more teachers and smaller classes?
small classes have been proven with time not to be as effective as sold.
The small upstate school system my family greww up in in the 60's and 70's had 30 pulse kids in every class and NO teachers aids all trew school. We beat the pants off same district now as far as SAT and all other standardized testing
why would that be??
If we got rid of unions who protect teachers who passed students who didn't meet the standards of the curriculum, it wouldn't the taxpayers a dime. Teachers who just wing it in the classroom and pass students on willy nilly are the problem. We need strong administrators who can recognize good teachers and can accurate evaluate a students progress and can document grades accurately.
It's as easy as that, but hard because Unions protect the poor quality teachers.
All we have been doing is throwing money at education and yet we fall further and further behind other countries.
Seems to me it's about time we stop throwing good money after bad at teachers etc and try something new.
i cant support money being spent for the sake of money being spent.
i cant support money being spent for the sake of money being spent.
It's not. It's being spent to reward hard working, successful teachers.
And apparently you're against that. Fine.
