Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, EARN LESS MONEY

[The T]

"Free" health care.

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

So go out and buy it for yourself. You nor the Congress nor the POTUS has any right to be in this at all. And BTW? It ain't free...someone is paying for it.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

Thats why everyone should be purchasing insurance. Thank you. Case Closed.

Everybody "should" does not give Congress or the Federal Government the power to make people buy health insurance.

Case closed!

 

[RDD_1210]

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

So go out and but it for yourself. You nor the Congress nor the POTUS has any right to be in this at all. And BTW? It ain't free...someone is paying for it.

You're right. Someone is paying for it. Someone is those people who do pay for insurance. Nothing is free, hence my use of quotes.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Seems to me that it is.

Then explain why the Obama admin insists that it isn't a tax.

Because politicians lie. This shouldnt be surprising.

He doesnt want to have sound bytes of him admitting it was a tax when he promised no raising taxes on the middle class.

But YOU admitted the tax will only be on those PAYING THE PENALTY.

That PENALTY is still on those refusing to obey the MANDATE FOR WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And to unequally levy a tax based on whether or not one buys something for which the Federal Government has no power in the first place, VIOLATES THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE.

Bottom line, mandate or tax, it's still unconstitutional.

 

[The Rabbi]

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Goody!

Congress still does not have the right or the power to force us to buy it.

This is what they don't understand. Obama has cited either 'Taxing Authority' of the Congress, -or- The Commerce Clause...

Neither are germain as the Constitution goes.

The administration wants it both ways.
First they claim it isn't a tax. BUt they can do this through the taxing authority of the gov't.
Then they claim they can do this via the Commerce Clause, even though that clause has never been used to mandate individual citizens buy something.

They are intellectually dishonest. I have the feeling they sit around and say "why the hell do we have to answer all these questions? We won the election. That ought to be good enough."

 

[The T]

Goody!

Congress still does not have the right or the power to force us to buy it.

This is what they don't understand. Obama has cited either 'Taxing Authority' of the Congress, -or- The Commerce Clause...

Neither are germain as the Constitution goes.

The administration wants it both ways.
First they claim it isn't a tax. BUt they can do this through the taxing authority of the gov't.
Then they claim they can do this via the Commerce Clause, even though that clause has never been used to mandate individual citizens buy something.

They are intellectually dishonest. I have the feeling they sit around and say "why the hell do we have to answer all these questions? We won the election. That ought to be good enough."

Isn't this what Obama bluntly told McCain? "I won"...and that the Republicans can "...come along for the ride but they have to sit in the back''...?

Sheer arrogance.

 

[teapartysamurai]

If you show up at a hospital without insurance, they will not turn you away. They will still stabilize you at the very least. Consider it a tax for that.

And despite what you may think, I don't believe every word that Obama or any politican says. Politicians have been known to lie once in a while.

Congress has no power to order us to buy or pay for someone else showing up at the hospital with no insurance!

And if Politicians lie then WHY are you glomming onto Obamacare as if it's a great idea, when you just admitted it's a big lie?

Thank you for admitting it's a lie.

It's also unconstitutional.

So YOU LOSE!

Because unlike you, I took the time to read the actual bill to understand for myself what it does. I didnt take anyones word for it, not Obama, not the republicans, because they all like to spin it their own way. I have a nasty habit of doing my own research, you should try it sometime.

If thats losing, I dont want to win.

BWAHAHAHA!

If I had a dime for every person I debate, when losing who suddenly claims he's an "expert" so they aren't losing, I could pay for all the healthcare in this country.

What does your "expertise" have to do with it?

It's STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I have yet to hear you claim experitise on that!

 

[teapartysamurai]

I agree, therefore red states should not get any federal aid anymore.I am tired of supporting bad choices. I mean who lives in kansas?

Bunch of freeloaders they are.

I would LOVE not to get anymore federal aid, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD RECIPROCATE BY NOT TAKING MY MONEY IN SUCH TAXES!

Freeloaders!

You are the greedy liberal free-loaders who want everyone else's money!

It's "greedy" for us to object to what the federal government says we have to do with our money???

The GREED is coming from you. You want power over other people's money soooooooo bad, that if you can't get your mitts on it personally, you'll take your liberal ilk having power over it, as a close second.

Your arguments fool no one.

The bottom line is Congress has no power to order us to buy anything.

This is not about healthcare. It's about wealth distribution and liberals getting non-stop power over the earnings of others.

You libs are the biggest free-loaders of all.

You need to relax and get a grip on reality.

When liberals lose, they fall back to just making childish insults.

I think we see who's losing his grip, especially on this debate.

You lost, so now you have nothing better to do than troll.

 

[RDD_1210]

Congress has no power to order us to buy or pay for someone else showing up at the hospital with no insurance!

And if Politicians lie then WHY are you glomming onto Obamacare as if it's a great idea, when you just admitted it's a big lie?

Thank you for admitting it's a lie.

It's also unconstitutional.

So YOU LOSE!

Because unlike you, I took the time to read the actual bill to understand for myself what it does. I didnt take anyones word for it, not Obama, not the republicans, because they all like to spin it their own way. I have a nasty habit of doing my own research, you should try it sometime.

If thats losing, I dont want to win.

BWAHAHAHA!

If I had a dime for every person I debate, when losing who suddenly claims he's an "expert" so they aren't losing, I could pay for all the healthcare in this country.

What does your "expertise" have to do with it?

It's STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I have yet to hear you claim experitise on that!

I didnt claim to be an expert. Just someone who read the bill and formed my own opinion. You don't have to be jealous, you can do the same thing. Its never too late.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Goody!

Congress still does not have the right or the power to force us to buy it.

Sure they do

In other words he's lost the debate, so now he's falling back to "at least I'll get the last word" tactic.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because unlike you, I took the time to read the actual bill to understand for myself what it does. I didnt take anyones word for it, not Obama, not the republicans, because they all like to spin it their own way. I have a nasty habit of doing my own research, you should try it sometime.

If thats losing, I dont want to win.

BWAHAHAHA!

If I had a dime for every person I debate, when losing who suddenly claims he's an "expert" so they aren't losing, I could pay for all the healthcare in this country.

What does your "expertise" have to do with it?

It's STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I have yet to hear you claim experitise on that!

I didnt claim to be an expert. Just someone who read the bill and formed my own opinion. You don't have to be jealous, you can do the same thing. Its never too late.

When losing on a debate, and a tactic fails, what does a liberal do?

INVARIABLY he will double down and do the same tactic again.

Your "expertise" has nothing to do with the Constitutionality of the Federal Government to require me to buy anything.

Nice try.

 

[RDD_1210]

I would LOVE not to get anymore federal aid, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD RECIPROCATE BY NOT TAKING MY MONEY IN SUCH TAXES!

Freeloaders!

You are the greedy liberal free-loaders who want everyone else's money!

It's "greedy" for us to object to what the federal government says we have to do with our money???

The GREED is coming from you. You want power over other people's money soooooooo bad, that if you can't get your mitts on it personally, you'll take your liberal ilk having power over it, as a close second.

Your arguments fool no one.

The bottom line is Congress has no power to order us to buy anything.

This is not about healthcare. It's about wealth distribution and liberals getting non-stop power over the earnings of others.

You libs are the biggest free-loaders of all.

You need to relax and get a grip on reality.

When liberals lose, they fall back to just making childish insults.

I think we see who's losing his grip, especially on this debate.

You lost, so now you have nothing better to do than troll.

Only in your closed mind have you won anything, buts ok. I'm fine with letting you think that, obviously beating me is somehow important to you. Congrats!! You did a great job today. Good girl.

 

[The T]

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

So go out and but it for yourself. You nor the Congress nor the POTUS has any right to be in this at all. And BTW? It ain't free...someone is paying for it.

You're right. Someone is paying for it. Someone is those people who do pay for insurance. Nothing is free, hence my use of quotes.

Yes...but is it right for Government to MANDATE it? RUn Healthcare (which is their ultimate goal whether WE like it or not? Is it under their Constitutional purview to take over that large a portion of the economy?

Answer is NO. It is NOT. And IF you think it is? Cite chapter and verse of the Constitution where it is?

 

[teapartysamurai]

You need to relax and get a grip on reality.

When liberals lose, they fall back to just making childish insults.

I think we see who's losing his grip, especially on this debate.

You lost, so now you have nothing better to do than troll.

Only in your closed mind have you won anything, buts ok. I'm fine with letting you think that, obviously beating me is somehow important to you. Congrats!! You did a great job today. Good girl.

Thank you for admitting you lose.

I know it won't stop you from trolling, since you have no intention of being honest in this debate, but what else is new about that?

Obama isn't being honest about the issue as well.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That's what the neonuts say about mandated car insurance. " you don't have to drive".

And that is true. You don't have to drive. I await the explanation as to how one avoids being born.

As an American, we have the right to 'pursue happiness', and if that means monetary wealth, that is our right. No one has the right to penalize someone for earning money. Fucking socialists and their obsessional and irrational hatred of other people's money is embarrassing for decent Americans.

And before pursuing happiness, there is that word Life that you conveniently skipped over. If you don't want to live in a society that supports one another, you're free to live in another country that better suits your needs. Your hatred for your fellow Americans is quite sad.

First, the Constitution specifically allows the government to take away your life and your liberty. It does not, however, allow them to take away your pursuit of happiness.

Second, you really need to learn that the Declaration is not a defense of government intervention, it is a protest against it. CG was wrong in saying that only Americans have a right to pursue happiness, that does not make you right to use our unalienable rights as a defense of your stripping away rights.

 

[teapartysamurai]

So go out and but it for yourself. You nor the Congress nor the POTUS has any right to be in this at all. And BTW? It ain't free...someone is paying for it.

You're right. Someone is paying for it. Someone is those people who do pay for insurance. Nothing is free, hence my use of quotes.

Yes...but is it right for Government to MANDATE it? RUn Healthcare (which is their ultimate goal whether WE like it or not? Is it under their Constitutional purview to take over that large a portion of the economy?

Answer is NO. It is NOT. And IF you think it is? Cite chapter and verse of the Constitution where it is?

He knows it's Unconstittuional. He just doesn't care.

He wants other people to pay for his healthcare, and that's all that matters to him.

That's your typical free-loader liberal.

 

[Steelplate]

It's not the same. A state has the right to mandate you carry insurance as part of the PRIVILEGE OF DRIVING in their state.

The 10th amendmemnt gives them that right.

The Federal government, on the other hand, does NOT have the right to mandate you have car insurance.

The same goes for health insurance.

The federal government does not have a right to mandate you buy ANYTHING.

Privilege of driving? WTF is that? I paid for the vehicle, right? I should have the right to drive it!

You see? it just depends on how ridiculous you want to get on these subjects. As far as I'm concerned, if there were a National Health Care Policy... no one would have to BUY anything... we'd all have to pay... but none of us would have to buy.

Health Care, IMO... is akin to Police, Fire, Education and Military. It's a basic necessity that preserves our quality of life.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No, I am NOT making that up!

President Obama's solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn't like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.

During the Sixth Circuit arguments, Judge Jeffrey Sutton, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, asked Kaytal if he could name one Supreme Court case which considered the same question as the one posed by the mandate, in which Congress used the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution as a tool to compel action.

Kaytal conceded that the Supreme Court had “never been confronted directly” with the question, but cited the Heart of Atlanta Motel case as a relevant example. In that landmark 1964 civil rights case, the Court ruled that Congress could use its Commerce Clause power to bar discrimination by private businesses such as hotels and restaurants.

“They’re in the business,” Sutton pushed back. “They’re told if you’re going to be in the business, this is what you have to do. In response to that law, they could have said, ‘We now exit the business.’ Individuals don’t have that option.”

Kaytal responded by noting that the there's a provision in the health care law that allows people to avoid the mandate.

“If we’re going to play that game, I think that game can be played here as well, because after all, the minimum coverage provision only kicks in after people have earned a minimum amount of income,” Kaytal said. “So it’s a penalty on earning a certain amount of income and self insuring. It’s not just on self insuring on its own. So I guess one could say, just as the restaurant owner could depart the market in Heart of Atlanta Motel, someone doesn’t need to earn that much income. I think both are kind of fanciful and I think get at…”

Sutton interjected, “That wasn’t in a single speech given in Congress about this...the idea that the solution if you don’t like it is make a little less money.”

The so-called “hardship exemption” in the health care law is limited, and only applies to people who cannot obtain insurance for less than 8 percent of their income. So earning less isn't necessarily a solution, because it could then qualify the person for government-subsidized insurance which could make their contribution to premiums fall below the 8 percent threshold.

Throughout the oral arguments, Kaytal struggled to respond to the panel's concerns about what the limits of Congressional power would be if the courts ruled that they have the ability under the Commerce Clause to force individuals to purchase something.

Sutton said it would it be “hard to see this limit” in Congressional power if the mandate is upheld, and he honed in on the word “regulate” in the Commerce clause, explaining that the word implies you're in a market. “You don’t put them in the market to regulate them,” he said.

You HAVE to read this entire thing. It's scary as hell what these bastards intend for us:

Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money | Philip Klein | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

In that one statement "earn less money" was revealed the true intent of Obamacare, WEALTH DISTRIBUTION.

Obama wants to make as many people as possible poor and dependent on government for their very survival.

We have GOT to get these people out of office before they make it impossible to live any other way than under their socialist agenda.

This has got to be put to a stop.

I await the usual paid liberal stooges, who are hear to do nothing else but disrupt real debate, tell me Kaytal didn't say what he said.

This is nothing new. If you got a bad gall bladder ten years ago and did not feel like paying for it the trick was to earn less money and hide your assests.

I at least know one broke non working person who got their gall bladder removal paid for by you socialist tax payers who support the old system. At least if the new system was in place when the gal had a decent job she would have paid SOMETHING into some health insurance pool.

Oh well. We can go back to the free loader socialist Eisenhower era system if you prefer. Or let hospitals throw out folks who cant pay. Or make health nsurance mandatory. I dont see too many other choices.

Only a complete idiot would believe that.

 

[RDD_1210]

You're right. Someone is paying for it. Someone is those people who do pay for insurance. Nothing is free, hence my use of quotes.

Yes...but is it right for Government to MANDATE it? RUn Healthcare (which is their ultimate goal whether WE like it or not? Is it under their Constitutional purview to take over that large a portion of the economy?

Answer is NO. It is NOT. And IF you think it is? Cite chapter and verse of the Constitution where it is?

He knows it's Unconstittuional. He just doesn't care.

He wants other people to pay for his healthcare, and that's all that matters to him.

That's your typical free-loader liberal.

I have insurance, do you?

 

[The T]

You're right. Someone is paying for it. Someone is those people who do pay for insurance. Nothing is free, hence my use of quotes.

Yes...but is it right for Government to MANDATE it? RUn Healthcare (which is their ultimate goal whether WE like it or not? Is it under their Constitutional purview to take over that large a portion of the economy?

Answer is NO. It is NOT. And IF you think it is? Cite chapter and verse of the Constitution where it is?

He knows it's Unconstittuional. He just doesn't care.

He wants other people to pay for his healthcare, and that's all that matters to him.

That's your typical free-loader liberal.

Another moocher.