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I get a kick out of the new progressive mantra..."it's established law...so move on!"
It is law...it is in place...but as even you grudgingly admit, it's far from perfect...so why would anyone "move on" from a bill that their constituents elected them to overturn? What Barack Obama and so many other progressives can't seem to grasp is that a majority of Americans didn't want ObamaCare which is why Democrats were voted out of office in record numbers in 2010. The truth is...Barry, Harry and Nancy passed the ACA over the objections of a majority of the American people wishes.
This notion that because they managed to ram the ACA through before the voters had a chance to stop them means that it's suddenly "untouchable" is nonsense.
You talk about how the GOP should go back to passing jobs bills, cutting spending and balancing the budget? Dude, the House has been sending bills to the Senate since 2010 that would do ALL of those things and Harry Reid has tabled them. This government shutdown is taking place BECAUSE the Obama Administration has refused to do what Bill Clinton did when he got hammered in his first mid-term election...this President has refused to compromise...has refused to move to the center as Clinton did.
You don't like the law? Get the votes to repeal it. Better yet, get the votes to make it better. republicans LOST, multiple times. Obama got reelected.
But what do Republicans do when they can't get their way. Hold the country hostage......even there, they lost
There have been many bad laws in this country. Ocare is just another of these bad laws.
So what happened following the 2010 mid-terms, Winger?
Sure there is. Once the useful idiots realize how much they are getting assraped by the Democrats, they'll throw the Liberal hoarde out on their collective asses, elect real conservatives, and throw this monstrosity of a law into the incinerator where it belongs.Once the Exchanges take hold there is nothing that Republicans can do about Obamacare except take credit for it
In a democracy there are few perfect social programs passed because both sides need to have imput. But as some programs begin to work they are improved and then improved again. Social Security went through the same Republican fight in the Thirties, and now has been added to, changed, modified and is now part of America,
It will be interesting to see Obamacare sixty years from now; one of the changes might be a name change from Obamacare to ACA.
The GOP has to end its fucking obsession with Obamacare
It is the Law, the Supreme Court backed it and no matter how many votes you call it will still be the law. Is it perfect? Far from it, but it is better than what we had
Over time, it will be improved
Do Republicans want to run on Ovbamacare in 2014? 2016? If they do, they will continue to lose. Time to move on boys......pass some GOP jobs bills, cut spending, balance the budget. You might even start patching your relationship with Hispanics
Fighting an old fight just because you lost gets you nowhere
Time to make the GOP relevant again
Yeah, because the government has a history of making things better and more efficient.
Dumbass.
I get a kick out of the new progressive mantra..."it's established law...so move on!"
It is law...it is in place...but as even you grudgingly admit, it's far from perfect...so why would anyone "move on" from a bill that their constituents elected them to overturn? What Barack Obama and so many other progressives can't seem to grasp is that a majority of Americans didn't want ObamaCare which is why Democrats were voted out of office in record numbers in 2010. The truth is...Barry, Harry and Nancy passed the ACA over the objections of a majority of the American people wishes.
This notion that because they managed to ram the ACA through before the voters had a chance to stop them means that it's suddenly "untouchable" is nonsense.
You talk about how the GOP should go back to passing jobs bills, cutting spending and balancing the budget? Dude, the House has been sending bills to the Senate since 2010 that would do ALL of those things and Harry Reid has tabled them. This government shutdown is taking place BECAUSE the Obama Administration has refused to do what Bill Clinton did when he got hammered in his first mid-term election...this President has refused to compromise...has refused to move to the center as Clinton did.
You don't like the law? Get the votes to repeal it. Better yet, get the votes to make it better. republicans LOST, multiple times. Obama got reelected.
But what do Republicans do when they can't get their way. Hold the country hostage......even there, they lost
So what happened following the 2010 mid-terms, Winger? The Republicans won in a huge way in that election taking back more seats in one election in modern American political history! What did Barack Obama and Harry Reid DO following 2010? What compromises did they make? What GOP House bills did they allow through?
The truth is...they tabled those GOP bills. Just stuck them on a desk and let them collect dust while Obama repeatedly went AROUND Congress to push his agenda.
You want to know why we have such a polarized government now? Two things...it is a direct result of Obama, Reid and Pelosi shoving their agenda down the throats of the GOP when they had control of government...and their total indifference to the message that the voters sent in 2010 about being unhappy with the direction the three of them had taken the country.
The GOP has to end its fucking obsession with Obamacare
It is the Law, the Supreme Court backed it and no matter how many votes you call it will still be the law. Is it perfect? Far from it, but it is better than what we had
Over time, it will be improved
Do Republicans want to run on Ovbamacare in 2014? 2016? If they do, they will continue to lose. Time to move on boys......pass some GOP jobs bills, cut spending, balance the budget. You might even start patching your relationship with Hispanics
Fighting an old fight just because you lost gets you nowhere
Time to make the GOP relevant again
Yeah, because the government has a history of making things better and more efficient.
Dumbass.
Social Security has been improved
Medicare hs been improved
The GOP has to end its fucking obsession with Obamacare
It is the Law, the Supreme Court backed it and no matter how many votes you call it will still be the law. Is it perfect? Far from it, but it is better than what we had
Over time, it will be improved
Do Republicans want to run on Ovbamacare in 2014? 2016? If they do, they will continue to lose. Time to move on boys......pass some GOP jobs bills, cut spending, balance the budget. You might even start patching your relationship with Hispanics
Fighting an old fight just because you lost gets you nowhere
Time to make the GOP relevant again
Yeah, because the government has a history of making things better and more efficient.
Dumbass.
The GOP has to end its fucking obsession with Obamacare
It is the Law, the Supreme Court backed it and no matter how many votes you call it will still be the law. Is it perfect? Far from it, but it is better than what we had
Over time, it will be improved
Do Republicans want to run on Ovbamacare in 2014? 2016? If they do, they will continue to lose. Time to move on boys......pass some GOP jobs bills, cut spending, balance the budget. You might even start patching your relationship with Hispanics
Fighting an old fight just because you lost gets you nowhere
Time to make the GOP relevant again
Yeah, because the government has a history of making things better and more efficient.
Dumbass.
military...everytime you guys fall for this.
Yeah, because the government has a history of making things better and more efficient.
Dumbass.
Social Security has been improved
Medicare hs been improved
Roads are better
drinking water is better
People are living longer
soil conservation has improved dramatically
Social Security has been improved
Medicare hs been improved
Roads are better
drinking water is better
People are living longer
soil conservation has improved dramatically
are you claiming that federal spending made those things happen?
Hear me out.
Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.
This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.
When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".
Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.
Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.
Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.
When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.
And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.
Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.
This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.
Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.
And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.
The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.
Hear me out.
Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.
This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.
When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".
Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.
Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.
Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.
When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.
And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.
Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.
This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.
Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.
And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.
The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.
I mostly agree with what you're saying except that the government doesn't actually control or administer health care, as you say.
That's a total myth and I don't know why so many Americans go along with it.
Insurance is still in the free market and so are healthcare providers.
It's a free market system, and it will always get more expensive because that's how the free market works. All these Republicans these days still complaining about rising costs don't seem to understand the basic nature of capitalism. It isn't to make healthcare cheaper; it's to make a profit from illness.
The only way Republicans could take the issue back is to pass Universal Healthcare. So what if Obama got everyone insurance if you can say that you got everybody FREE healthcare!
I mostly agree with what you're saying except that the government doesn't actually control or administer health care, as you say.
Social Security has been improved
Medicare hs been improved
Roads are better
drinking water is better
People are living longer
soil conservation has improved dramatically
are you claiming that federal spending made those things happen?
I mostly agree with what you're saying except that the government doesn't actually control or administer health care, as you say.
Insurance is still in the free market and so are healthcare providers.
Roads are better
drinking water is better
People are living longer
soil conservation has improved dramatically
