Official USMB Shutdown Showdown Thread --- Week of Jan 14th, 2019

[Weatherman2020]

These people are owed their pay. That's the agreement the government made with them.
Republicans sure do like to avoid paying bills they run up.

Lay them off then.

Go ahead, and see how that works out.
.

Would love it.

So would the Democrats.
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Yeah, Democrats want smaller government.

Which universe?

 

[Weatherman2020]

These people are owed their pay. That's the agreement the government made with them.

Republicans sure do like to avoid paying bills they run up.

The Republican solution to a government shutdown is to force people to work for nothing

They are free to get another job.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats can end the shutdown now. Fund the wall.

 

[Oddball]

0.5% are fired - for misconduct.

My brother is AFSCME and is the scourge of his office...He even has admitted to me that almost everyone in the office hates him....Has received three absolutely awful employee reviews....They can't fire him.

 

[Mac1958]

These people are owed their pay. That's the agreement the government made with them.
Republicans sure do like to avoid paying bills they run up.

Lay them off then.

Go ahead, and see how that works out.
.

Would love it.

So would the Democrats.
.

Yeah, Democrats want smaller government.

Which universe?

No, they'd love the political ramifications.
.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Their salaries and benefits an envy of most Americans working in the private sector.

Can’t get fired for poor performance.

Retirement packages that are extinct in the private sector. Most Americans have to save to be able to retire, government workers do not.



Let the shutdown continue. They don’t like it, get a job in the private sector.

Your attack on Federal workers is based on the fact that private sector workers are underpaid and lack decent pensions?

Oh...

His attack is out of pure ignorance of what the lifestyles of most federal workers are like.

Name one thing not true that I posted.

Federal workers get fired for poor performance all the time. for one thing.
There is almost no merit increases in the federal system something that does exist in the private sector for another.

0.5% are fired - for misconduct.

And how does that compare to civilian companies of similar jobs?

I have been with my current company almost 6 years and we have fired zero people for misconduct.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Your attack on Federal workers is based on the fact that private sector workers are underpaid and lack decent pensions?

Oh...

His attack is out of pure ignorance of what the lifestyles of most federal workers are like.

Name one thing not true that I posted.

Federal workers get fired for poor performance all the time. for one thing.
There is almost no merit increases in the federal system something that does exist in the private sector for another.

0.5% are fired - for misconduct.

And how does that compare to civilian companies of similar jobs?

I have been with my current company almost 6 years and we have fired zero people for misconduct.

How many have been fired or layed off period? Oh ya.

Watching porn 8 hours a day was not a fireable offense until Congress recently changed that.
Removal of Federal Employees for Misconduct or Performance : FedSmith.com

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Then why do liberals want open borders and unfettered access? They obviously aren't a security risk like Trump says, right...…...

Nobody wants unfettered access, this is just a stupid talking points.

Both sides want the illegals here, that is why the GOP did nothing about it when they controlled all of Congress and the White House. Even Trump does not really give a shit other than he wants a lasting monument to his time as POTUS. Why wait till the Dems take the House to start pushing for the wall?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Lay them off then.

Go ahead, and see how that works out.
.

Would love it.

So would the Democrats.
.

Yeah, Democrats want smaller government.

Which universe?

No, they'd love the political ramifications.
.

Americans are find with the ‘shutdown’.

 

[edward37]

Why on Earth are you Democrats so dishonest? Yes, okay this was the first official meeting since Pelosi was reelected as Speaker of the House, but no one believes she was going to suddenly say "okay I'm Speaker now, time to work with Trump" especially when she had been making public statements every day since being elected that she would never give $1 for a border wall.

If you TRULY wanted to see compromise you would be asking Nancy "Why are you not negotiating?"

Did Trump ask her what she would give? Did he ask her anything other than "Do I get my wall". That's not a negotiation. That's a terrorist demand.

Furthermore, by walking out of the meeting, Trump looks weak. Now he's got no way out. If he goes and asks the questions he SHOULD have asked before walking out like a spoiled child. He's given in.

I can't take someone who calls not wanting to deal with a woman who refuses to negotiate terrorism seriously.

You are a clown and dismissed.

Screw trump and his bs art of the deal and btw you shouldn't talk down to your betters

Not only did Trump not write the book, I am betting he has never read it.

Yeah Trump only graduated from an Ivy League school . He's obviously stupid.

Money buys you anything Like the doctor who saved his ass from the army One prof. said he was the dumbest student he ever had

 

[BULLDOG]

Pelosi just canceled the State of the Union Speech. She suggested Trump pick a day after the government is open for business for his little speech, or he could present his address in writing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How many have been fired or layed off period? Oh ya.

From my office, zero.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Go ahead, and see how that works out.
.

Would love it.

So would the Democrats.
.

Yeah, Democrats want smaller government.

Which universe?

No, they'd love the political ramifications.
.

Americans are find with the ‘shutdown’.

What did they find?

 

[danielpalos]

From the Daily Caller, an anonymous alleged employee of the administration*.

The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good. On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t...

But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.

I believe every word of this came from an administration* official. The contempt for public service is pure modern Republicanism. The superiority complex about how families "like mine" are scrapping to make ends meet is pure modern conservatism. And the paranoia about weeding out saboteurs is pure Trumpian boob-bait. This is bullying dressed up as empathy.

I don't know where the people who work with Native Americans, and especially those who work in the various health clinics that service our indigenous peoples, rank on this person's sliding scale of essential employees. Maybe this person thinks the people who work those jobs are part of the 15 percent of federal employees worth their salaries. But, in any case, those particular employees are in deep trouble because of the shutdown. From the AP:

In New Mexico, a lone police officer patrolled a Native American reservation larger in size than Houston on a shift that normally has three people, responding to multiple car wrecks during a snow storm, emergency calls and requests for welfare checks. Elsewhere, federally funded road maintenance programs are operating with skeleton crews and struggling to keep roads clear on remote reservations. Tribal members said they can't get referrals for specialty care from the Indian Health Service if their conditions aren't life-threatening.

Native American tribes rely heavily on funding guaranteed by treaties with the U.S., acts of Congress and other agreements for public safety, social services, education and health care for their members. Because of the shutdown, tribal officials say some programs are on the brink of collapse and others are surviving with tribes filling funding gaps.

About 9,000 Indian Health Service employees, or 60 percent, are working without pay and 35 percent are working with funding streams not affected by the shutdown, according to the Health and Human Services department's shutdown plan. That includes staff providing direct care to patients. The agency delivers health care to about 2.2 million Native Americans and Alaska Natives.

The agency gets money from the Interior Department, whose budget is snared by the shutdown. For many tribal members, IHS is the only option for health care unless they want to pay out of pocket or have other insurance. Benefits under programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are unaffected by the partial government shutdown.

And even more tragic is the effect in Montana on the search for dozens of Native women who have gone missing. The United States government is letting Native peoples down. That's truly hard to imagine.

There is no express wall building clause and we pay taxes for Government.

 

[candycorn]

Their salaries and benefits an envy of most Americans working in the private sector.

Can’t get fired for poor performance.

Retirement packages that are extinct in the private sector. Most Americans have to save to be able to retire, government workers do not.



Let the shutdown continue. They don’t like it, get a job in the private sector.

Your attack on Federal workers is based on the fact that private sector workers are underpaid and lack decent pensions?

Oh...

His attack is out of pure ignorance of what the lifestyles of most federal workers are like.

Name one thing not true that I posted.

Federal workers get fired for poor performance all the time. for one thing.
There is almost no merit increases in the federal system something that does exist in the private sector for another.

0.5% are fired - for misconduct.

So they can get fired. Another hole in your story.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Democrats can end the shutdown now. Fund the wall.

The GOP can end the shutdown now. Stop holding federal employees and the American people hostage, open the government and let legislation on the Wall pass or fail on it's own merits.
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[Lesh]

Someone tell Mitch McConnell TO RELEASE THE HOSTAGES

BECAUSE TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT

 

[Lysistrata]

From the Daily Caller, an anonymous alleged employee of the administration*.

The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good. On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t...

But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.

I believe every word of this came from an administration* official. The contempt for public service is pure modern Republicanism. The superiority complex about how families "like mine" are scrapping to make ends meet is pure modern conservatism. And the paranoia about weeding out saboteurs is pure Trumpian boob-bait. This is bullying dressed up as empathy.

I don't know where the people who work with Native Americans, and especially those who work in the various health clinics that service our indigenous peoples, rank on this person's sliding scale of essential employees. Maybe this person thinks the people who work those jobs are part of the 15 percent of federal employees worth their salaries. But, in any case, those particular employees are in deep trouble because of the shutdown. From the AP:

In New Mexico, a lone police officer patrolled a Native American reservation larger in size than Houston on a shift that normally has three people, responding to multiple car wrecks during a snow storm, emergency calls and requests for welfare checks. Elsewhere, federally funded road maintenance programs are operating with skeleton crews and struggling to keep roads clear on remote reservations. Tribal members said they can't get referrals for specialty care from the Indian Health Service if their conditions aren't life-threatening.

Native American tribes rely heavily on funding guaranteed by treaties with the U.S., acts of Congress and other agreements for public safety, social services, education and health care for their members. Because of the shutdown, tribal officials say some programs are on the brink of collapse and others are surviving with tribes filling funding gaps.

About 9,000 Indian Health Service employees, or 60 percent, are working without pay and 35 percent are working with funding streams not affected by the shutdown, according to the Health and Human Services department's shutdown plan. That includes staff providing direct care to patients. The agency delivers health care to about 2.2 million Native Americans and Alaska Natives.

The agency gets money from the Interior Department, whose budget is snared by the shutdown. For many tribal members, IHS is the only option for health care unless they want to pay out of pocket or have other insurance. Benefits under programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are unaffected by the partial government shutdown.

And even more tragic is the effect in Montana on the search for dozens of Native women who have gone missing. The United States government is letting Native peoples down. That's truly hard to imagine.

There is no way to know whether any assertions that 15 percent of employees are good and try hard and 80 percent don't "feel pressure to produce results" or that the federal government is fat and overpaid are true.They are the products of politicians' fantasies and meant to stir up the emotional folks in their base.

 

[Flash]

Any government worker that does not show up for work during the shutdown should be ineligible to receive back pay once the shutdown is settled.

However, this will all fix itself soon. Soon the food stamps and welfare payments will run out and the Democrats will fold like a cheap suit.

 

[danielpalos]

I agree.

The entire Coast Guard should quit and go get jobs in the private sector along with the border patrol and the ICE folks.

the right wing was for wage-slavery; now, they are saving on the wage.