OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[Wyatt earp]

Who said anything about a personal bankruptcy? Bernie Madoff used Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (a liability-limiting legal framework). Are you saying he didn't do anything wrong because he did it through a company? Is he not responsible for the actions of his company just because it's a company with limited liability?

You did ...and implied it thinking people like me wouldn't catch your B S.


Trump has over 120 bussiness, some he just lends his name to..


He doesn't micro manage every one
4 bankruptcy bussiness out of 120 plus..to start a new ..

Not bad , not bad at all

Is he not responsible for the actions of his company just because it's a company with limited liability?

Personally responsible? No he isn't'. No Present, company owner, or CEO is. That's how business works in this country.

I guess they should let Bernie out of prison. Maybe even give him some of the money back. After all, he just lended his name to the business. That's all!

What does Bernie have to do with 4 out of 120 of Trump's company's filing for bankruptcy?


You do know GM and also American airlines filed for bankruptcy..right?

It was okay for GM and Chrysler to file for bankruptcy as the Democratic President was dictating the terms, learn the rules. Democrat files bankruptcy good, Republican files bankruptcy bad.

Why do you hold this double standard?

Translation~ you didn't have a clue did you kid?

 

[bgrouse]

You did ...and implied it thinking people like me wouldn't catch your B S.


Trump has over 120 bussiness, some he just lends his name to..


He doesn't micro manage every one
4 bankruptcy bussiness out of 120 plus..to start a new ..

Not bad , not bad at all

Personally responsible? No he isn't'. No Present, company owner, or CEO is. That's how business works in this country.

I guess they should let Bernie out of prison. Maybe even give him some of the money back. After all, he just lended his name to the business. That's all!

What does Bernie have to do with 4 out of 120 of Trump's company's filing for bankruptcy?


You do know GM and also American airlines filed for bankruptcy..right?

It was okay for GM and Chrysler to file for bankruptcy as the Democratic President was dictating the terms, learn the rules. Democrat files bankruptcy good, Republican files bankruptcy bad.

Why do you hold this double standard?

Learn to comprehend what you read.

You said "Democrat files bankruptcy good, Republican files bankruptcy bad."

 

[bgrouse]

You did ...and implied it thinking people like me wouldn't catch your B S.


Trump has over 120 bussiness, some he just lends his name to..


He doesn't micro manage every one
4 bankruptcy bussiness out of 120 plus..to start a new ..

Not bad , not bad at all

Personally responsible? No he isn't'. No Present, company owner, or CEO is. That's how business works in this country.

I guess they should let Bernie out of prison. Maybe even give him some of the money back. After all, he just lended his name to the business. That's all!

What does Bernie have to do with 4 out of 120 of Trump's company's filing for bankruptcy?


You do know GM and also American airlines filed for bankruptcy..right?

It was okay for GM and Chrysler to file for bankruptcy as the Democratic President was dictating the terms, learn the rules. Democrat files bankruptcy good, Republican files bankruptcy bad.

Why do you hold this double standard?

Translation~ you didn't have a clue did you kid?

You read what he wrote. Sounds like a double standard to me.

 

[Ame®icano]

So if I say Democrats are Communists, you might not take offense to that? So you tell me, how many Democrats am I talking about in that statement?

True, the Democrat party doesn't exist anymore. Today, they're Socialist party, or rather Communist Jr. party.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So if I say Democrats are Communists, you might not take offense to that? So you tell me, how many Democrats am I talking about in that statement?

True, the Democrat party doesn't exist anymore. Today, they're Socialist party, or rather Communist Jr. party.

Which would explain why the US Communist Party supported their last three elections, and an admitted Socialists almost won their primaries. Some are even claiming he did win, it's just that the Democrats wanted Hillary instead.

Very frightening times we live in with these Democrats around.

 

[Ame®icano]

Since you love the truth so much how about with all his law firms keeping cases going forever no one could afford to keep the suits up ?

Would cases go forever if they could prove he's guilty as charged?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Liar prove he filled for personal bankruptcy..

Who said anything about a personal bankruptcy? Bernie Madoff used Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (a liability-limiting legal framework). Are you saying he didn't do anything wrong because he did it through a company? Is he not responsible for the actions of his company just because it's a company with limited liability?

You did ...and implied it thinking people like me wouldn't catch your B S.


Trump has over 120 bussiness, some he just lends his name to..


He doesn't micro manage every one
4 bankruptcy bussiness out of 120 plus..to start a new ..

Not bad , not bad at all

Is he not responsible for the actions of his company just because it's a company with limited liability?

Personally responsible? No he isn't'. No Present, company owner, or CEO is. That's how business works in this country.

I guess they should let Bernie out of prison. Maybe even give him some of the money back. After all, he just lended his name to the business. That's all!

What does Bernie have to do with 4 out of 120 of Trump's company's filing for bankruptcy?


You do know GM and also American airlines filed for bankruptcy..right?

It was okay for GM and Chrysler to file for bankruptcy as the Democratic President was dictating the terms, learn the rules. Democrat files bankruptcy good, Republican files bankruptcy bad.

Exactly. They never said on bad thing about Solyndra, and that was our tax money just being handed over to them even though DumBama knew they were going to be a failure.

 

[eddiew37]

Since you love the truth so much how about with all his law firms keeping cases going forever no one could afford to keep the suits up ?

Would cases go forever if they could prove he's guilty as charged?

his teams of lawyers prevented the cases from being heard one excuse after another ,,those suing him couldn't continue forever,,,

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since you love the truth so much how about with all his law firms keeping cases going forever no one could afford to keep the suits up ?

Would cases go forever if they could prove he's guilty as charged?

his teams of lawyers prevented the cases from being heard one excuse after another ,,those suing him couldn't continue forever,,,

Why not? The only thing I can think of them doing is postponing the hearing which doesn't cost all that much money. Either that or they keep appealing the decision to other courts. But since you can't show us one case as evidence of what you claim, there is no way to find out.

 

[Ame®icano]

Damn, you're a worse broken record than matthew, individual taxing authorities set their rates, The feds are not responsible for SALT rates and they are not responsible for subsidizing them.

Also I've had enough of your class warfare crap, people move up and down the economic ladder all the time, no one is being held down and no one is being held up. You, I and everyone else are the sum total of our own decisions, accept that fact and move on.


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Yep don't worry about facts and the GOP giving the store away to the rich while screwing everyone else, it's just that everyone decided to get lazy all of a sudden. Really silly stuff, dupe.

So all you got is more of your generalized poop, I've had rich folks give me a job, I've never had one steal form me. And no, everyone didn't get lazy, you commiecrats pushed regulations and noncompetitive taxes that forced our manufacturing base off shore, you own that.


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No it's just normal that menial jobs are going where the pay is cheapest, and the GOP refuses to invest in training our people 4 between 3 and 6 million tech jobs that are going begging... Must save the rich from paying taxes.

Why should the wealthy pay for other adults education?

I know we've been through this over and over again, but you're as thick as they come for a leftist, so let me ask you this:

What is wrong with people paying for their own education to secure a trade? What's stopping them? And don't say money, because our government gives educational loans all the time.

In fall of 1980, I rented my first apartment. At the time, I was fascinated with birds, so I hung a bird feeder on my upstairs back porch.

Spring broke and summer not far behind, I finally met my elderly neighbor. After some small talk, he said "Ray, what you're doing for the birds is a nice thing, but you may be doing them more harm than good. You see, feeding the birds is a good thing in winter because there is no food for them. But if you leave that feeder up year long, the birds will get so dependent on that thing they will forget how to obtain food for themselves. If you move or otherwise become disinterested in feeding them any longer, those birds will die of hunger."

I always remembered those wise words; not because of the birds, but later in life I realized that's what our government does to it's people.

So when you talk about how the GOP doesn't want to pay for adult education, I can hear that old man talking like he was sitting right next to me.

They used to pay for other people's education when America was great in the 40s 50s 60s and 70s... Funny how we're now a wreck of what we used to be and it's getting worse...

Who used to pay?

Can you back that up?

 

[Ame®icano]

I don't worry about being unemployed because I chose a career where I'm always in demand no matter what the economy.

Can you explain the dynamics of how taking more money from people will make it better for others? Because big business is not the small business killer--government is.

You don't worry, what about the millions who lost their jobs the last time around?

Big business buys government, and uses it to kill smaller businesses, we've been over this a hundred times and a hundred times you've pretended you didn't know what I was talking about.

It has nothing to do with government.

Larger businesses can out price smaller businesses because they buy products in larger quantities. The more you buy, the cheaper you can get it.

Jim at Jim's hardware store sells about 30 screwdrivers a week. Home Depot sells 30,000 screwdrivers a week because they buy in quantity, ship those screwdrivers to their warehouses, and then distributes them to all their outlets. Therefore you can buy your screwdriver at Jim's for $8.50, or get the same tool at Home Depot for $6.50.

Yes, they can do that. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the government.

For fuck's sake Ray, your ability to ignore the blatantly obvious is excruciating.

If a large company gets massive tax breaks and the smaller companies don't, which is EXACTLY what is happening in the US, then their ability to lower prices and be more competitive is there.

Don't you agree? Or is your partisan nonsense going to blur your vision again?

Look....... I work for a small company of less than a dozen employees including myself. I talk with my employer all the time about business. He told me he had all kinds of tax breaks for the first seven years he had his business. There is no giving tax breaks to larger businesses than smaller businesses. If anything, just the opposite. Our company competes with the big boys every single day, and we are doing just fine.

Since I work with industry every single day, I'm quite aware of the advantages larger businesses have over smaller ones. It has nothing to do with government.

As a musician, I remember the days of big music stores. They were locally owned and built up to their size. But along came places like Guitar Centers and put them out of business. Why? Because Guitar Centers open up their outlets with over a million dollars in musical instruments. No local dealer could compete with them. Think of that. Over a million dollars of musical instruments under one roof! Because of their ability to purchase high quality instruments in quantity, they were able to out price every single local store in the Cleveland area and I'm sure across most of the country.

No giving tax breaks to larger businesses? Where the hell have you been for the last, I don't know, 30 years?

Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters

"
Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters"

Didn't happen huh? Your boss didn't tell you about it, so you don't know about it, so it simply didn't happen.

Have you noticed who's giving those breaks?

Cities and States. Not feds.

 

[Ame®icano]

. How does the government taking more from the rich help small businesses start up or survive today ?? Are we using government to pick winners and losers when it decides to shift wealth over to whatever or over to small businesses, and as soon as it does so, and in so many cases these day's, don't such businesses end up failing within 3 years tops ? Then what ?? Oh I know, and then it (the government) decides to fund and promote every kind of other bullcrap known to modern man, but these things end up being huge failures just as well.

Just like the states where state government can come up with multiple schemes or ideas to raise revenue for roads, bridges and there repairs for example, but just check back with those states years later, and the roads and bridges are still failing, and there is never enough money to do the jobs....... So the bullcrap tax schemes continue without any fiscal responsibility to be found anywhere in sight.

I have seen budgets added to or funded for road jobs, but the road crews are then directed to paving back roads way out in the rural & way out of sight, while in the meantime the main roads, and the heavily traveled roads are left in disrepair in order to make claims on and on that more money is needed, and more money is needed.

It never ends, and important progress is minimal at best. Pathetic !!

The biggest way big business wins is each different part of the US competing against every other part. The EU has basically banned this. It's said you can choose a tax rate system and you have to stick to it, otherwise big business will simply play divide and conquer.

Companies like Amazon will literally go around the country and say "who's willing to give us money for setting up shop here?" and they do. The jobs would stay in the US no matter what, however the money goes to Amazon when it shouldn't.

Imagine this.

You run a small business with a profit of $100,000 a year.

Then big business arrives in town, and you have competition. But the big business arrives without having to pay tax for five years. Their prices are lower than yours because they're not paying tax.

So your $100,000 drops because you have to drop prices down to the lowest level you can realistically afford to stay in business. This still isn't enough. Half your customers go shop at the large company. This means you're making no profit at all. The city is making less in taxers because you're paying half taxes you were paying before or less, and the other company isn't paying taxes at all.

Along the way other companies fail and yours will too. Meaning the larger company has taken all the customers by the end of the five year period, then renegotiates a nice sweet deal because they can't afford to see this company leave any more because it provides too many jobs.

How does this benefit anyone other than the rich?

Then big business arrives in town, and you have competition. But the big business arrives without having to pay tax for five years. Their prices are lower than yours because they're not paying tax.

Wait one minute.....are you saying lower taxes allow businesses to lower their prices?

Don't tell the liberals....

Liberals are highly in favor of helping the middle class and small business but don't see why the big tax cuts go to the rich and giant corporations that are bloated beyond all recognition by lack of taxes.

Liberals are highly in favor of helping the middle class and small business

That's so good to hear.
When was the last time Dems gave the middle class and small business a tax cut?

Obama gave the middle class a payroll tax cut in 2009 just as high a percentage as Trump's tax cuts and nothing for the bloated lying cheating GOP rich...

He extended the Bush tax cuts, so he didn't really gave any. Payroll tax cut you're talking about is actually d two percent cut on social security tax, where taxpayers paid 2% less while employer still paid full amount.

 

[eddiew37]

Since you love the truth so much how about with all his law firms keeping cases going forever no one could afford to keep the suits up ?

Would cases go forever if they could prove he's guilty as charged?

his teams of lawyers prevented the cases from being heard one excuse after another ,,those suing him couldn't continue forever,,,

Why not? The only thing I can think of them doing is postponing the hearing which doesn't cost all that much money. Either that or they keep appealing the decision to other courts. But since you can't show us one case as evidence of what you claim, there is no way to find out.

I can only lead you to the water ,I can't make you drink it But it's well known that trump has used his money and teams of lawyers to screw those who had cases against him and in some cases even made payoffs ,,,like with his bs college

 

[Care4all]

Do you know what usually means? It means it's usually from capital or labor, but can be from other things. The bottom line is income is income. Inheritance is income that is currently excused from taxation. If I were a rich deadbeat, of course I'd report it. The risk is too great and I'd still be a millionaire deadbeat afterwards, just with a few less million. I didn't have to work for any of it anyway. You can whine all you want to protect your rich deadbeat heroes, but you're basically a clown grasping at straws, especially with your "Do you understand the term INCOME TAX? It means tax on income." crap and your inability to read and comprehend a basic English sentence.

Governments will always control the money that THEY create and enforce. If you think it's none of their business, then the rich should be barred from using the government for enforcing their property rights. So if someone kills them to steal their money, the government should just ignore them. After all, you say it's none of the government's business. That wasn't Trump's tune when he was getting bankruptcy protection from the government!

I’m getting tired of your lies, you have proof that those that inherit money as deadbeats? Of course you don’t, it is because you are dishonest and are just trolling along.

Unless you have proof positive, you are nothing but a bigot who is jealous and envious of what others have. You opinion is worthless.

Let me get this straight. You want me to prove that some of the people who inherit money are deadbeats?

Yep, prove it, I know people that have inherited money and worked just as hard as their parents, so put up or shut up, because you are acting like a loser that is bitter over their lot in life.

Take Trump for example. He got a big inheritance and still filed for bankruptcy protection. He's a deadbeat borrower. Won't pay his bills.

Liar prove he filled for personal bankruptcy..

What's the name of the company that filed bankruptcy, who's the sole owner, that passes all company profits and losses to himself?

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, they can do that. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the government.

For fuck's sake Ray, your ability to ignore the blatantly obvious is excruciating.

If a large company gets massive tax breaks and the smaller companies don't, which is EXACTLY what is happening in the US, then their ability to lower prices and be more competitive is there.

Don't you agree? Or is your partisan nonsense going to blur your vision again?

Look....... I work for a small company of less than a dozen employees including myself. I talk with my employer all the time about business. He told me he had all kinds of tax breaks for the first seven years he had his business. There is no giving tax breaks to larger businesses than smaller businesses. If anything, just the opposite. Our company competes with the big boys every single day, and we are doing just fine.

Since I work with industry every single day, I'm quite aware of the advantages larger businesses have over smaller ones. It has nothing to do with government.

As a musician, I remember the days of big music stores. They were locally owned and built up to their size. But along came places like Guitar Centers and put them out of business. Why? Because Guitar Centers open up their outlets with over a million dollars in musical instruments. No local dealer could compete with them. Think of that. Over a million dollars of musical instruments under one roof! Because of their ability to purchase high quality instruments in quantity, they were able to out price every single local store in the Cleveland area and I'm sure across most of the country.

No giving tax breaks to larger businesses? Where the hell have you been for the last, I don't know, 30 years?

Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters

"
Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters"

Didn't happen huh? Your boss didn't tell you about it, so you don't know about it, so it simply didn't happen.

Are you talking about local tax breaks or federal? I was talking about federal. There are no controls over what a state or city offers in tax breaks. It's all fair game and fair competition. In fact, our neighboring suburb just got an Amazon contract. There is another one about 20 miles from here as well.

Tax abatements are used to attract businesses. And who is competing with Amazon anyway? It doesn't matter if there is an Amazon next door to you or 500 miles away. Any internet business is killing small and large brick and mortar stores alike.

Oh, oh, oh, right, I forgot you were talking only about federal because.... well because you didn't fucking mention that. How silly of me to forget.

I'm talking about TAXES here Ray. I know you did it last time with the whole "rich people pay loads of INCOME TAX (and let's ignore all the other taxes)."

We're talking about ALL TAXES that a company has to pay. Why? Because that's the ONLY THING that makes sense when discussing how businesses are doing.

Excuse me. I just assumed you were talking about federal taxes since that is the theme of this thread.

As for local taxes, there is nothing anybody can do about that because small businesses don't bring in the tax revenue that large businesses bring in. We are a nation of states--not a nation of the federal government. Therefore states are free to do as they wish without interference or control by the feds.

If your state is giving breaks to big businesses to lure them in, then vote those representatives out. Tell them you don't want new businesses in your state. Tell them that you want the state to try and survive on mom and pop shop taxes and not companies that hire thousands of citizens for jobs.

Our state will be glad to take any new businesses you don't want. In fact we will welcome them with open arms. We will give them tax abatements, pave old roads, make new roads if need be. So send those businesses our way and you can remain in your one horse town.

It's bullshit Ray. We're always talking about feds here, because they're our biggest problem. "I didnt know" is excuse when there is no argument, you should know that.

Yes, we do talk about states too, but mostly as side topic to federal.

 

[Ame®icano]

The biggest way big business wins is each different part of the US competing against every other part. The EU has basically banned this. It's said you can choose a tax rate system and you have to stick to it, otherwise big business will simply play divide and conquer.

Companies like Amazon will literally go around the country and say "who's willing to give us money for setting up shop here?" and they do. The jobs would stay in the US no matter what, however the money goes to Amazon when it shouldn't.

Imagine this.

You run a small business with a profit of $100,000 a year.

Then big business arrives in town, and you have competition. But the big business arrives without having to pay tax for five years. Their prices are lower than yours because they're not paying tax.

So your $100,000 drops because you have to drop prices down to the lowest level you can realistically afford to stay in business. This still isn't enough. Half your customers go shop at the large company. This means you're making no profit at all. The city is making less in taxers because you're paying half taxes you were paying before or less, and the other company isn't paying taxes at all.

Along the way other companies fail and yours will too. Meaning the larger company has taken all the customers by the end of the five year period, then renegotiates a nice sweet deal because they can't afford to see this company leave any more because it provides too many jobs.

How does this benefit anyone other than the rich?

Then big business arrives in town, and you have competition. But the big business arrives without having to pay tax for five years. Their prices are lower than yours because they're not paying tax.

Wait one minute.....are you saying lower taxes allow businesses to lower their prices?

Don't tell the liberals....

Liberals are highly in favor of helping the middle class and small business but don't see why the big tax cuts go to the rich and giant corporations that are bloated beyond all recognition by lack of taxes.

Liberals are highly in favor of helping the middle class and small business

That's so good to hear.
When was the last time Dems gave the middle class and small business a tax cut?

Obama gave the middle class a payroll tax cut in 2009 just as high a percentage as Trump's tax cuts and nothing for the bloated lying cheating GOP rich...

. Ok, so what was the result of that payroll tax cut ?? Did the citizens run out and start a business, create a college fund for their kids, hire a landscaper, get some repairs done on the house, buy a better car or what ? How many jobs did it create ? Did it just go POOF ?

The result is a claim that he gave tax cut. It did nothing but hurt social security. But in order to give that cut, he pushed inheritance and gift taxes back to 35%. It's a word game, nothing else.

Just like "he cut the deficit in half".

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Look....... I work for a small company of less than a dozen employees including myself. I talk with my employer all the time about business. He told me he had all kinds of tax breaks for the first seven years he had his business. There is no giving tax breaks to larger businesses than smaller businesses. If anything, just the opposite. Our company competes with the big boys every single day, and we are doing just fine.

Since I work with industry every single day, I'm quite aware of the advantages larger businesses have over smaller ones. It has nothing to do with government.

As a musician, I remember the days of big music stores. They were locally owned and built up to their size. But along came places like Guitar Centers and put them out of business. Why? Because Guitar Centers open up their outlets with over a million dollars in musical instruments. No local dealer could compete with them. Think of that. Over a million dollars of musical instruments under one roof! Because of their ability to purchase high quality instruments in quantity, they were able to out price every single local store in the Cleveland area and I'm sure across most of the country.

No giving tax breaks to larger businesses? Where the hell have you been for the last, I don't know, 30 years?

Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters

"
Billions in tax breaks offered to Amazon for second headquarters"

Didn't happen huh? Your boss didn't tell you about it, so you don't know about it, so it simply didn't happen.

Are you talking about local tax breaks or federal? I was talking about federal. There are no controls over what a state or city offers in tax breaks. It's all fair game and fair competition. In fact, our neighboring suburb just got an Amazon contract. There is another one about 20 miles from here as well.

Tax abatements are used to attract businesses. And who is competing with Amazon anyway? It doesn't matter if there is an Amazon next door to you or 500 miles away. Any internet business is killing small and large brick and mortar stores alike.

Oh, oh, oh, right, I forgot you were talking only about federal because.... well because you didn't fucking mention that. How silly of me to forget.

I'm talking about TAXES here Ray. I know you did it last time with the whole "rich people pay loads of INCOME TAX (and let's ignore all the other taxes)."

We're talking about ALL TAXES that a company has to pay. Why? Because that's the ONLY THING that makes sense when discussing how businesses are doing.

Excuse me. I just assumed you were talking about federal taxes since that is the theme of this thread.

As for local taxes, there is nothing anybody can do about that because small businesses don't bring in the tax revenue that large businesses bring in. We are a nation of states--not a nation of the federal government. Therefore states are free to do as they wish without interference or control by the feds.

If your state is giving breaks to big businesses to lure them in, then vote those representatives out. Tell them you don't want new businesses in your state. Tell them that you want the state to try and survive on mom and pop shop taxes and not companies that hire thousands of citizens for jobs.

Our state will be glad to take any new businesses you don't want. In fact we will welcome them with open arms. We will give them tax abatements, pave old roads, make new roads if need be. So send those businesses our way and you can remain in your one horse town.

It's bullshit Ray. We're always talking about feds here, because they're our biggest problem. "I didnt know" is excuse when there is no argument, you should know that.

Yes, we do talk about states too, but mostly as side topic to federal.

Given the fact that this topic is about federal tax cuts, I assumed we were talking about federal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since you love the truth so much how about with all his law firms keeping cases going forever no one could afford to keep the suits up ?

Would cases go forever if they could prove he's guilty as charged?

his teams of lawyers prevented the cases from being heard one excuse after another ,,those suing him couldn't continue forever,,,

Why not? The only thing I can think of them doing is postponing the hearing which doesn't cost all that much money. Either that or they keep appealing the decision to other courts. But since you can't show us one case as evidence of what you claim, there is no way to find out.

I can only lead you to the water ,I can't make you drink it But it's well known that trump has used his money and teams of lawyers to screw those who had cases against him and in some cases even made payoffs ,,,like with his bs college

Most of the people who attended his college were satisfied. It was only a handful of losers who smelled money and decided to sue. Trump only paid them off because he became President. If he would have lost, he would have probably fought the cases to the highest court possible.

And no, you didn't lead me to water, you only told me there was water out there somewhere.

 

[Ame®icano]

I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.

The middle class got lots of tax savings coming up, that you been duped isn’t our issue. The standard deductions went up, tax credits for the middle class went up and the percentage taxed went down, hater.

I said it is ridiculous for the rich to get big tax cuts -none of that

Hey dipstick, you can't get a big tax cut unless you're paying big taxes to begin with. Your IQ seems to be dropping by the second.
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Those 47% who pay no federal income taxes should get at least double amount of money they paid in.

Why? So they can have money that I earned?

I said, "double of money they paid in".

How much money they paid in? Zero...

 

[Ame®icano]

That's not how the sentence is written. The sentence says it's a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor. For usually to apply only to money and not to capital or labor, the sentence would have to be written with the following commas:
a gain or recurrent benefit, usually measured in money, that derives from capital or labor

Those commas are not there, so you are wrong.

He's not wrong. You are.

The problem is how to explain to leftist something that is self explanatory, when leftist wants it to mean something else.

Commas are not there because gain or recurrent benefit is usually measured in money.

Usually. But not necessary. They can be measured in other values that derives from capital or labor.

If I were you, I would sit someplace in the corner where nobody can see me, and pull my ears over my face to hide shame from being THAT stupid.

But that's me. Knowing leftists, you are gonna continue posting here and prove to us over and over why you should go and sit in the corner with your ears pulled over your face.

I was trying to explain it to him but you know how the left is. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

I was trying to explain that "usually" is in reference to the type of compensation--not the word income. The words "capital" and "labor" are the reference to what income actually is. It has nothing to do with commas, it has to do with understanding what words mean. When he tries to Clintonize it in his response, you can try again, but I gave up.

When they realize they're wrong and hate to admit it, or when they have no argument, they talk about spelling, commas and racism. You'll spend more time defending from what they're accusing you for, that about what the topic is.

So, when they "Clintonize" you, you Trumpetize them. It works.