Pogo
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- Dec 7, 2012
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Trump wasn't a private citizen when he incited violence.Nonsense.
It's unconstitutional to apply an impeachment process to a private citizen.
Trump wasn't a private citizen when they impeached him
Trump wasn't a private citizen when they delivered the articles of impeachment to the senate for trial.
But Mitch McConnell sat on his hands to give Trump time to become a private citizen.
But that doesn't fly.
If the republican delay made the trial unconstitutional, then the republican delay would be unconstitutional.
This whole shitshow infomercial is unconstitutional!
The penalty for impeachment is removal from office. He is not in office dimwit!
Removal from office is not the only penalty of being convicted.
It's the primary one and the Constitution uses the word 'Shall' meaning that it has to be applied! It cannot be applied because he is not sitting in office. Therefore, one more reason this Shampeachment IS unconstitutional!
Once AGAIN --- read the text.
>> Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to [sic] removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. << --- Article 1 Section 3 Clause 7
There is no such designation of "primary" or "secondary". There's no preference stated at all. What it actually says is "SHALL NOT", not "shall". That doesn't mean EITHER of them MUST happen (it's technically possible to convict on impeachment but neither remove from office nor disqualify from future office) --- rather, it's a LIMITATION. "Shall not extend further than", IOW "you can do A, you can do B, you can do A and B, but you can't do anything else'.
Shall means must. Most Constitutional experts agree on this.
Trump must be removed from office upon impeachment.
The problem is, there is NO office he has as a private citizen.
It's just this simple and UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
Ewe dont seam too reed two gud.
It says "shall not", not "shall".
Let's read that again.
It says "shall not", not "shall".
"Shall" and "shall not" are what we call "opposites".
"Shall not extend further than ...". That's a limitation. It means impeachment has two remedies available AND ONLY TWO. And just to be clear it follows that with, as above, "but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.".
That's why impeachment is not a criminal trial. That's a separate process.
As for this:
>> Trump must be removed from office upon impeachment. <<
Again, WRONG. Nowhere anywhere does the Constitution require removal upon impeachment, or even upon the trial. Removal is one of two remedies the trial may affix, but that trial does have the choice whether to assign EITHER penalty. As I said above, it isn't required to do either.
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