oops climate changers are wrong again

Funny thing, this climate change. Anybody checked out Antarctica lately?? Those ice caps appear to be growing. Yikes!!

<snip>
The mainstream media frequently publish stories focusing on ice loss in these two areas, yet the media stories rarely if ever mention that ice is accumulating over the larger area of East Antarctica and that the continent as a whole is gaining snow and ice mass.

Interestingly, a new NASA study finds Antarctica once supported vegetation similar to that of present-day Iceland.

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes
 
"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."


Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
-American Association for the Advancement of Science

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3
-American Chemical Society

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4
-American Geophysical Union

"The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5
-American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6
-American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
-American Physical Society

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
-The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse&#8208;gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9



SCIENCE ACADEMIES

International academies: Joint statement

"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10
-U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11



U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES


U.S. Global Change Research Program

"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12



INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES


Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13

“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14

*IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.


Climate Change: Consensus


Except that is a LIE.

only 0.3% of the scientists agree there is ANTHROPOGENIC GW :D

Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims - Forbes


:

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/06/monckton-cook-97-cm13.pdf
 
So yeah.. wrong again

Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Area

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

Really? One million square miles more ice? Do you purposely lie, or are you just that gullable? By this graph, less than 600,000 sq kilometers of more than in 2007. That is a lot less than 1 million sq miles.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

But we are used to the lies that the denialists spew on this subject.

Denialist hasn't changed the name of it three times, because what is happening is the opposite of what is really going on.[/QUOTE]

:cuckoo::lol:
 
Funny thing, this climate change. Anybody checked out Antarctica lately?? Those ice caps appear to be growing. Yikes!!

<snip>
The mainstream media frequently publish stories focusing on ice loss in these two areas, yet the media stories rarely if ever mention that ice is accumulating over the larger area of East Antarctica and that the continent as a whole is gaining snow and ice mass.

Interestingly, a new NASA study finds Antarctica once supported vegetation similar to that of present-day Iceland.

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes

No, the antarctic ice cap is losing ice, even as the antarctic sea ice is increasing its maximum.

Shrinking polar ice caused one-fifth of sea level rise | Environment | Science News

Scientists now have one polar ice study to rule them all. An international team of researchers has compiled 20 years of data from 10 satellite missions to create the most comprehensive assessment to date of Greenland’s and Antarctica’s shrinking ice sheets.

And the verdict: Between 1992 and 2011, the Greenland ice sheet lost 2,940 billion metric tons of ice while the Antarctic ice sheet shed 1,320 billion metric tons. All that water raised the sea level by an average of 11.1 millimeters, accounting for one-fifth of sea level rise over that period, the team reports in the Nov. 30 Science.

Yes, Antarctica once supported vegitation, and there were once crocodiles on the north shore of Alaska.

Now compare this;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.antarctic.png

with this;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

And this;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

with this;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
 
"man has caused none of it"
HAHAHAHAHA
Runoff from development warms the rivers and streams, that is undisputed fact.
1 billion vehicles in use daily in the world.
Go and start your vehicle and put your hand on the exhaust and feel the nice cool air coming out.
There's your sign!
Glaciers are melting at a rate hundreds of times faster than they have for tens of thousands of years and folks believe man plays NO part.
Not claiming man plays ALL THE PART OF IT, maybe not even a majority of it but to make the claim that man has played NO part in polluting the earth and that direct correlation to warming is ignorance of the highest order.
Man in fact plays a role. To deny that is ignorance.
 
for the gullible idiots who turned the scientific issue to the financial-driven hysteria - ALL predictions one way or the other are based on the computer prediction models ONLY.
as anybody, who knows the basics of how these formula change just by introduction of ONE variable - it is ridiculous to observe this "the sky is falling" hysteria.

The most famous alarmist from NASA who first had convulsions ( circa mid-70s) that we are going to freeze ( predictions based on his model) is James Hansen who finally resigned after his hysterical predictions of now "warming" turned out to be also wrong after this report was published by NASA in January:
Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate - NASA Science

The alarmist hysteric forgot to put this variable into his predictions :lol:

What would you, guys say about your doctor, who, looking at your hemoglobin level and your potassium level would announce - you are going to be dead in 3 months? You would ask him what basis for such an assumption does he have?
and if the answer would be that your hemoglobin of 10 and your potassium of 5 are the predictors, but he does not take into consideration anything else, you should, probably ran of that doctor as soon as possible.

Same here. Sure, you can base models on the levels of CO2 and the records for 50 years of temperature recordings (sic!) and predict Armaggeddon happening, but it would be much more SCIENTIFIC to look for the other variables as well, before making the fool of yourself ( as Hansen did numerous times).

of course I understand the shining value of the financial reward of being stupid in public, but if one wants to be considered a scientist, not a charlatan who can sell himself easily - one should have some scientific integrity.

You are about one dumb ass. Talk about making a fool of your self in public. Dr. James Hansen has a record that is damned enviable for accuracy in predictions. Here are some that he made in 1981, when assholes like you were still claiming that no warming was happening.

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_etal.pdf

Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 1960's and
1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is
consistent with the calculated greenhouse effect due to measured increases of
atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar
luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend
of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming
should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the
century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980's. Potential effects on
climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North
America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West
Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the
fabled Northwest Passage.

And you are flat out lying about Dr. Hansen stating that there was going to be in ice age in the '70's. What he did was model the cooling occurring from industrial aerosols, and another scientist stated that it was possible that the aerosols could tip us into another ice age. What you are stating is that if someone borrows a tool from you, and destroys his house with his misuse of the tool, you are responsible for the damage.

Dr. Hansen is the world's foremost atmospheric physicist and takes more variables into account than you know exist. You talk of things you have never done the slightest research in, just repeat wingnut flapyap that has zero basis in fact. I have naught but contempt for people like you.
 
“The BBC’s 2007 report quoted scientist Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, [Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California] who based his views on super-computer models and the fact that ‘we use a high-resolution regional model for the Arctic Ocean and sea ice.’” At the time, the prediction was claimed to be a “conservative” forecast.

Not sure how you get more “conservative” then “no ice”, but I digress. In fact, BBC’s forecast was so far off that new satellite imagery shows that the Arctic has60 percent more ice now than it did in 2007 –one million miles more to be exact.

So yeah.. wrong again

sigh...the thicker ice ( which is more important) is thinner than it has been. This thin ice is irrelevant, unless you are an idiot.
 
"man has caused none of it"
HAHAHAHAHA
Runoff from development warms the rivers and streams, that is undisputed fact.
1 billion vehicles in use daily in the world.
Go and start your vehicle and put your hand on the exhaust and feel the nice cool air coming out.
There's your sign!
Glaciers are melting at a rate hundreds of times faster than they have for tens of thousands of years and folks believe man plays NO part.
Not claiming man plays ALL THE PART OF IT, maybe not even a majority of it but to make the claim that man has played NO part in polluting the earth and that direct correlation to warming is ignorance of the highest order.
Man in fact plays a role. To deny that is ignorance.

The damage we are seeing from a warming world, and acidification of the oceans is already very visible in the regression of the glaciers worldwide, the damage to the coral reefs in all the oceans, and the movement of the Hadley cells North and South by more than two hundred miles.

The speed of the changes we see is on the order of a magnitude larger than the speed of such changes in several of the extinction events in geological history.
 
NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA&#8217;s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Forbes

AND EVEN MORE


At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA&#8217;s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,

&#8220;Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.&#8221;

That is even more significant because NASA&#8217;s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes


Hysterical alarmists caught yet again :lol:

By the way, this same James Hansen was predicting a new ice age in the 1970s and is not a climate scientist. His specialty is computer models, which all of his prophecies related to climate changes have been proven wrong.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-WWpH0lmcxA]YouTube[/ame]

John R. Christy debunks James Hansen.
Christy was the lead author of the 2001 IPCC report.
 
NASA scientist James E. Hansen, who has publicly criticized the Bush administration for dragging its feet on climate change and labeled skeptics of man-made global warming as distracting "court jesters," appears in a 1971 Washington Post article that warns of an impending ice age within 50 years.

The Post archives do indeed identify the existence of such a piece, with the following preview:

The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and Columbia University says that...

The Times piece continued:

The scientist was S.I. Rasool, a colleague of Mr. Hansen's at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The article goes on to say that Mr. Rasool came to his chilling conclusions by resorting in part to a new computer program developed by Mr. Hansen that studied clouds above Venus.

here are some pieces from the media of the time:
Newsweek on the cooling world

and the whole page of links to the same "scientists" who are seizing in hysteria of AGW were in the same hysteria of AGC - in the 70s:


Don?t Miss it! Climate Depot?s Factsheet on 1970s Coming ?Ice Age? Claims | Climate Depot
 
loosing it, old fart?

:lol:

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you have a weak grasp on your own primary language? Unless of course English is your second language.

Is that it? Is English your second language?
 
NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA’s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Forbes

AND EVEN MORE


At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA’s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,

“Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”

That is even more significant because NASA’s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes


Hysterical alarmists caught yet again :lol:

By the way, this same James Hansen was predicting a new ice age in the 1970s and is not a climate scientist. His specialty is computer models, which all of his prophecies related to climate changes have been proven wrong.


YouTube

John R. Christy debunks James Hansen.
Christy was the lead author of the 2001 IPCC report.

It's funny how you point to "NASA data" yet your links don't actually link to anything on NASA's site. Yet when you do go to NASA's site and look at actual NASA data, you can see that they very much believe man is impacting global warming. Weird, right?
 
Excerpts from NYT from that time ( mid 70s) reveals the same tactics of SCARE - only then it was coming of the NEW ICE AGE.

and the names of the alarmists are all too common :lol:


http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/Why.pdf


and what is the icing on this hysterical predictions? Oh, it is all THE SAME - it is man-made CO2 greenhouse gases :lol:
 
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Now I am in the middle in this.
FACT: I fish the Apalachicola river basin for decades. Oyster bars are slowly disappearing because of the warming of the water. BAD recently.
But just last week the report came back that the LARGEST problem was the OVER FISHING of the oysters when the BP oil spill hit the gulf as they allowed oyster folks from as far as Texas come and take what they wanted as they thought possibly the spill would reach there.
And it didn't but it was the over production of the oysters that hurt the bay MORE than the warming and the runoff of bad water up stream.
NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE but man plays a role and has caused some of it and maybe a lot.
 
loosing it, old fart?

:lol:

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you have a weak grasp on your own primary language? Unless of course English is your second language.

Is that it? Is English your second language?

before jumping into defending the sore loser you might want to know that he is not debating on a board, he is secretly negging the opponent :lol:

which by itself -is a confession of a defeat :D

p.s. typos are your last resort? and yes, English is my FOURTH language :D
 
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Now I am in the middle in this.
FACT: I fish the Apalachicola river basin for decades. Oyster bars are slowly disappearing because of the warming of the water. BAD recently.
But just last week the report came back that the LARGEST problem was the OVER FISHING of the oysters when the BP oil spill hit the gulf as they allowed oyster folks from as far as Texas come and take what they wanted as they thought possibly the spill would reach there.
And it didn't but it was the over production of the oysters that hurt the bay MORE than the warming and the runoff of bad water up stream.
NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE but man plays a role and has caused some of it and maybe a lot.

Man plays a role, nobody is disputing that.

The dispute is about how much man plays a role in something on a golbal scale.

Turns out - NONE.

Which does not mean we have to pollute our streams or oceans.
It is simply totally different issue.

And, BTW, the greedy leeches of the AGW agenda are making it much worse on the environmental protection on the local level - because a lie of the planetary issue is putting a big shade of skepticism on a totally valid problem of the local factory dumping the waste into the nearby stream.
 
loosing it, old fart?

:lol:

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you have a weak grasp on your own primary language? Unless of course English is your second language.

Is that it? Is English your second language?

before jumping into defending the sore loser you might want to know that he is not debating on a board, he is secretly negging the opponent :lol:

which by itself -is a confession of a defeat :D

p.s. typos are your last resort? and yes, English is my FOURTH language :D

What are your first three languages?
 
NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA&#8217;s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Forbes

AND EVEN MORE


At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA&#8217;s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,

&#8220;Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.&#8221;

That is even more significant because NASA&#8217;s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes


Hysterical alarmists caught yet again :lol:

By the way, this same James Hansen was predicting a new ice age in the 1970s and is not a climate scientist. His specialty is computer models, which all of his prophecies related to climate changes have been proven wrong.


YouTube

John R. Christy debunks James Hansen.
Christy was the lead author of the 2001 IPCC report.

It's funny how you point to "NASA data" yet your links don't actually link to anything on NASA's site. Yet when you do go to NASA's site and look at actual NASA data, you can see that they very much believe man is impacting global warming. Weird, right?

my link to the NASA data was in my previous post :D

plus there is a direct link to the study on remote sensing using NASA satellite systems in the link I've provided in the post you are quoting
 
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How do you expect to be taken seriously when you have a weak grasp on your own primary language? Unless of course English is your second language.

Is that it? Is English your second language?

before jumping into defending the sore loser you might want to know that he is not debating on a board, he is secretly negging the opponent :lol:

which by itself -is a confession of a defeat :D

p.s. typos are your last resort? and yes, English is my FOURTH language :D

What are your first three languages?

none of your business :D
 

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