Open Minded Agnostic Atheist

[zaangalewa]

Atheism is also only a belief, if god might exist.

Zzzz..
One more time.. Atheism is lack of belief.. doesn't logically rule out gods possibly existing.. nor life on Pluto.. anything.. not a belief other than perhaps that one's profound lack of shareable evidence yields nothing to crow about.. nor exclude people.. discriminate against them.. claim special privileges.. take tax breaks.. etc.. etc..

I did not ask you, atheist. I asked sealybobo, because he calls himselve an agnostics. I like to know what he says. In your case I know that you believe not to believe. This paradox is typical for atheists.

In the Christian religion exist by the way also some paradoxes - but we name them and speak about this paradoxes. We are using paradoxes somehow like candles. A famous Christian paradox is for example the theodicy, which is falsly adressed to the philosopher Epicurus.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Epicurus

Epicurus was not a monotheist, so he was not able to ask this. As far as I know it was the Christian philosoper Lacantius, who formulated this very famous paradox in the name of Epicurus, which is continously used from atheists against Christians. Still we did not find an answer. But we have time - a whole universe full of time. Sometimes it needs a little longer to find a good answer.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Even Micky Mouse and Donald Duck are more serios characters than you are. Why do you anti-speak about this all, although you don't have only a little idea about? No one forces you to be a Christian. So why is the faith of Christians your enemy? Why this senseless war of words? ...

Though predictably stupid and ironic, you do manage to introduce some neglected matter for discussion.. such as:
(resulting from their stated choice of affiliation here)
Who generally gets victimized by whom?
Who generally benefits most business-wise, socially, financially?
Who explicitly sends their members out try TO enlist more?
...

Do have anything to say? Then say it.

Ew, touchy, touchy!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Atheism is also only a belief, if god might exist.

Zzzz..
One more time.. Atheism is lack of belief.. doesn't logically rule out gods possibly existing.. nor life on Pluto.. anything.. not a belief other than perhaps that one's profound lack of shareable evidence yields nothing to crow about.. nor exclude people.. discriminate against them.. claim special privileges.. take tax breaks.. etc.. etc..

I did not ask you, atheist. I asked sealybobo, because he calls himselve an agnostics. I like to know what he says.

Same thing, but
Then reply to him instead

 

[Grumblenuts]

Try keeping your trash off my lawn.

you replied a-hole, there are plenty more just the same as you.

Yes, honey, you addressed me so I replied as usual. Not those "plenty more just the same" thank goodness. That would just be weird. You're most welcome.
Oh, and thanks for finally addressing my question. So, reviewing and parsing,

flora does not have a CNS - irregardless its functioning properties physiology does not exist without a spiritual component and dissipates when that component is removed and is itself a metaphysical substance not native to planet Earth.

English version: (plants don't have nerves)(no life does) "without a spirit"(all die.) "spirit" (is magical like life, however is a) "substance not native to planet Earth."
Fair enough.. Now, adding this fresh news!,

life is native to the universe as physiology proves by its abundance when the conditions for its development are available - and the metaphysical properties required for its existence are adhered to, the viability for physiology's spiritual component.

English attempt: (actually neither life nor spirit are) "native to planet Earth." (instead??? - both are) "native to the universe" (really??? are there any more options??? being native to Earth somehow excludes being from the universe and vice versa??? one requires the other along with some other locally acquired stuff and the existence of life) "proves by its abundance" (that all it well and) "spirit" (rules!)

Yeah, as incoherent and nonsensical as ever, but whatever floats your dinghy. To each their own. Whatever you need to believe to satisfy your personal mental requirements without harming others. I do have an alternative though. All you appear to think of as "spiritual" I just see as small facets of electrical activity that we have yet to flesh out because we've long abandoned consideration of the Aether, dielectrics, and related experimentation, replacing it all with stuff like "warped space" fantasy instead, mainly because Einstein. (was such a brilliant idiot). Peace. Cuppy-cake gumdrop snookum snookum sweetie-pie!

All you appear to think of as "spiritual" I just see as small facets of electrical activity that we have yet to flesh out because we've long abandoned consideration of ...

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your problem g-nuts is your comprehension problem is global -

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Flora has no electrical activity as pointed out earlier nor would its chemical composition correspond to Fauna leaving only a spiritual content for its physiological properties and its resilient identity the same as Fauna from its earliest cellular form.

evolution is the direct expression of the spiritual content of the associated physiology.

My comprehension is just fine. Yours is lacking but that's not your fault. You know nothing about the electricity I refer to because it's not taught in any school yet, far as I know. One must really work to find good sources on the web and related books, then spend years reading, deprogramming oneself (example - from thinking you have any clue about what "electricity" really is), watching videos, listening to podcasts, considering it all in one's spare time.. Also, many engaged are batshit nuts so distracting just as here, there, or anywhere. Noise to filter wherever one goes. That said, I'm far from the only one who understands most it it well enough now to pick the brains of those far more specialized and expert without embarrassing myself too badly.

I certainly don't expect you or anyone here to get it at all. I'm just rebutting your earlier accusation of having no alternative theory. I most certainly do. One that ties all in a bow with no supernatural intervention required. I don't expect you to believe me either. That would simply amount to an act of "FAITH." An all too common logical fallacy > Appeal to authority..

I certainly don't expect you or anyone here to get it at all. I'm just rebutting your earlier accusation of having no alternative theory. I most certainly do. One that ties all in a bow with no supernatural intervention required.

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that never occurred only an inquiry as to what that may have been - it is you who ridicules physiology as a metaphysical substance native to the universe established on planet Earth that requires a spiritual content to exist both of which are subject to "deterministic" metaphysical forces, the religion of antiquity.

You know nothing about the electricity I refer to because it's not taught in any school yet, far as I know.

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give it a shot, that is not atheism.

Whatever and no for reasons repeatedly stated. Do your own homework. I'm not here to introduce alternatives, proselytize, distract.. at length.

 

[Grumblenuts]

this very famous paradox in the name of Epicurus, which is continously used from atheists against Christians. Still we did not find an answer. But we have time - a whole universe full of time.

Fine admission and no, "we" don't. We're pretty much done. See Michael Moore's new film for details..

 

[BreezeWood]

Try keeping your trash off my lawn.

you replied a-hole, there are plenty more just the same as you.

Yes, honey, you addressed me so I replied as usual. Not those "plenty more just the same" thank goodness. That would just be weird. You're most welcome.
Oh, and thanks for finally addressing my question. So, reviewing and parsing,

flora does not have a CNS - irregardless its functioning properties physiology does not exist without a spiritual component and dissipates when that component is removed and is itself a metaphysical substance not native to planet Earth.

English version: (plants don't have nerves)(no life does) "without a spirit"(all die.) "spirit" (is magical like life, however is a) "substance not native to planet Earth."
Fair enough.. Now, adding this fresh news!,

life is native to the universe as physiology proves by its abundance when the conditions for its development are available - and the metaphysical properties required for its existence are adhered to, the viability for physiology's spiritual component.

English attempt: (actually neither life nor spirit are) "native to planet Earth." (instead??? - both are) "native to the universe" (really??? are there any more options??? being native to Earth somehow excludes being from the universe and vice versa??? one requires the other along with some other locally acquired stuff and the existence of life) "proves by its abundance" (that all it well and) "spirit" (rules!)

Yeah, as incoherent and nonsensical as ever, but whatever floats your dinghy. To each their own. Whatever you need to believe to satisfy your personal mental requirements without harming others. I do have an alternative though. All you appear to think of as "spiritual" I just see as small facets of electrical activity that we have yet to flesh out because we've long abandoned consideration of the Aether, dielectrics, and related experimentation, replacing it all with stuff like "warped space" fantasy instead, mainly because Einstein. (was such a brilliant idiot). Peace. Cuppy-cake gumdrop snookum snookum sweetie-pie!

All you appear to think of as "spiritual" I just see as small facets of electrical activity that we have yet to flesh out because we've long abandoned consideration of ...

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your problem g-nuts is your comprehension problem is global -

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Flora has no electrical activity as pointed out earlier nor would its chemical composition correspond to Fauna leaving only a spiritual content for its physiological properties and its resilient identity the same as Fauna from its earliest cellular form.

evolution is the direct expression of the spiritual content of the associated physiology.

My comprehension is just fine. Yours is lacking but that's not your fault. You know nothing about the electricity I refer to because it's not taught in any school yet, far as I know. One must really work to find good sources on the web and related books, then spend years reading, deprogramming oneself (example - from thinking you have any clue about what "electricity" really is), watching videos, listening to podcasts, considering it all in one's spare time.. Also, many engaged are batshit nuts so distracting just as here, there, or anywhere. Noise to filter wherever one goes. That said, I'm far from the only one who understands most it it well enough now to pick the brains of those far more specialized and expert without embarrassing myself too badly.

I certainly don't expect you or anyone here to get it at all. I'm just rebutting your earlier accusation of having no alternative theory. I most certainly do. One that ties all in a bow with no supernatural intervention required. I don't expect you to believe me either. That would simply amount to an act of "FAITH." An all too common logical fallacy > Appeal to authority..

I certainly don't expect you or anyone here to get it at all. I'm just rebutting your earlier accusation of having no alternative theory. I most certainly do. One that ties all in a bow with no supernatural intervention required.

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that never occurred only an inquiry as to what that may have been - it is you who ridicules physiology as a metaphysical substance native to the universe established on planet Earth that requires a spiritual content to exist both of which are subject to "deterministic" metaphysical forces, the religion of antiquity.

You know nothing about the electricity I refer to because it's not taught in any school yet, far as I know.

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give it a shot, that is not atheism.

Whatever and no for reasons repeatedly stated. Do your own homework. I'm not here to introduce alternatives, proselytize, distract.. at length.

Whatever and no for reasons repeatedly stated. Do your own homework. I'm not here to introduce alternatives, proselytize, distract.. at length.

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[Grumblenuts]

And yes I am an extreme cynic and pessimist.

”My cynicism can’t keep up with the Democratic Party’s reality” - Jimmy Dore
Dictionaries should just show his picture under "Woke."

 

[ding]

Atheism is also only a belief, if god might exist.

Zzzz..
One more time.. Atheism is lack of belief.. doesn't logically rule out gods possibly existing.. nor life on Pluto.. anything.. not a belief other than perhaps that one's profound lack of shareable evidence yields nothing to crow about.. nor exclude people.. discriminate against them.. claim special privileges.. take tax breaks.. etc.. etc..

I did not ask you, atheist. I asked sealybobo, because he calls himselve an agnostics. I like to know what he says. In your case I know that you believe not to believe. This paradox is typical for atheists.

In the Christian religion exist by the way also some paradoxes - but we name them and speak about this paradoxes. We are using paradoxes somehow like candles. A famous Christian paradox is for example the theodicy, which is falsly adressed to the philosopher Epicurus.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Epicurus

Epicurus was not a monotheist, so he was not able to ask this. As far as I know it was the Christian philosoper Lacantius, who formulated this very famous paradox in the name of Epicurus, which is continously used from atheists against Christians. Still we did not find an answer. But we have time - a whole universe full of time. Sometimes it needs a little longer to find a good answer.

There's an answer. All things work for good. We can't always see how because we don't have perfect knowledge, He does.

 

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We all know you don’t agree with the black Christian community on this issue. How is it they read the same holy book you do yet you disagree so much on black lives matter?

I loved it when people started attacking colin kaepernick for his protesting of how his people were being treated.

We know you loved attacking kappernick

Now of course I'm not talking about all black people but when us whites say we don't want blacks moving into our communities, this is the reason why.

So I'm in the Tim Horton drive thru and this black girl is not in line but decides without even acknowledging me she was going to cut in line in front of me so I honk at her. Instead of gesturing to me that she's sorry or to say thanks for letting her cut in front, she flips me off and says FUCK YOU! So I flip her off and I say some things when she's ordering like, "hey honey do you need me to pay for you? Because you don't look like you can afford it, you stupid ugly bitch".

Just as she's leaving, I honk one more time flip her off and say FUCK YOU BITCH! She backs up and rams her car into mine. Not hard, and I already have damage to the front of my car so she didn't cause any damage, but my question is, "who fucking does that?" Are black people uncivilized? Are they unable to use their words? She could have just said fuck you back and drove off. But the animal in her made her back up and ram me.

Hey black people. Do you know how to act out in public? You think you can just cut in front of someone and not even acknowledge them? But that's not even a big deal. A white person could do that too. The amazing thing is that she had the animal instinct to back up and ram me. I wish so bad I could have fucked her up.

And why the chip on the shoulder? Why so angry? Why so ready to flip me off rather than say sorry or excuse me? Rude fucking bitch! I should have chased her down and called the cops because you just know she didn't have insurance or registration. And she would have given them attitude and probably ended up hanging herself 3 days later in jail. See, this is what happens to blacks when they run into cops. They get into altercations like this only with cops and the cop doesn't have to let it go like I do.

And you know if I would have rammed into her car she would have called the cops. Does she think she has immunity? Is DWB a good thing now?

Hey black people. Don't come out to our neighborhood if you don't like white people and you have a ghetto mentality. Or at least don't be surprised that we don't want you. I know you will say you don't care, but we all know you do.

And I know you are a protected species right now but everyone at work says I should have pulled her out of the car and beat the shit out of her. I would never go to Detroit and be disrespectful to black people. I'd get my ass kicked.

This is why blacks are getting shot by cops. Blacks simply do not know how to act.

And I bet you that her attitude intimidates a lot of whites but it didn't me. I went back at her just as loud as she did me. Fuck me? No fuck you bitch!

 

[buttercup]

I think it's extremely sad that a few here have the mindset that lives are completely meaningless, life itself has no meaning, there is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone, etc.

Not only is that tragically incorrect, but what a dismal, empty, hopeless and ugly outlook on life.

I wonder if a person like that has children. I don't have kids, but I know for a fact that sometimes unbelievers change their outlook on life once they have kids.

I get why nihilistic atheists think that way though. They don't want to believe something they assume is "wishful thinking". I know there are other reasons too, of course, a few of which were posted on this thread by people with that mindset, so I do get it. I just think it's very sad. Tragic, even. Because it couldn't be farther from the truth.

By the way, there's a book in the bible that addresses this topic, the book of Ecclesiastes, and I love it because it is filled with so much truth and wisdom. It was said to be written by Solomon, it is from his perspective, and he was said to be the richest and wisest man in the world. It's all about how he searched for meaning and happiness in life through all sorts of different things: wisdom/knowledge, work, pleasure, women, money and material things, etc. The bottom line is that NONE of those things brought true happiness and meaning to life, and if we chase after things that are temporary, it's like chasing after the wind, it is ultimately pointless, in the grand scheme of things.

What truly matters is what is eternal. And instead of giving away the final conclusion, I'll just share a video I made on this topic... it's just an overview music video called "Vanity of Vanities." It's based on the book of Ecclesiastes.




For a more in-depth overview of Ecclesiastes, here is a good video by Bible Project (great channel) it's very visual and clear:

 

[Blues Man]

You can't be an agnostic atheist.

I would say you are an agnostic secularist

• Atheist - There is no god.
• Nihilistic - Life has no meaning.
• Secular - Lack of religion.
• Agnostic - There may or may not be a god, but open to know more.
• Gnostic - Belief that the God (or gods) we worship are in fact evil tricksters and that a secret knowledge is preventing us from the true God.
• Animistic - Belief that all things contain spirits.
• Deist - There is a God who created life, but just watches and does not intervene.
• Theist - Belief in a higher power and at least one god.
• Polytheist - Belief in more than one god.
• Monotheist -believing in a single God - ie. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
• Apostate - A person who leaves a religion.
• Misotheist - A person that hates God or the Gods.
• Dustheism - Belief that God or the Gods are not totally good.
• Macioism - Belief that God is a Demiurge and wrathful, malicious evil creator. Similar to Gnostic.
• Euthesim - Belief in a totally good God.

What do you mean life has meaning? What is the meaning? What is our purpose? I think we could master the universe if we weren’t so primitive. Still warring with each other rather than working as one planet to get to mars and mine the meteor belt. Then build a ship the size of a planet that can also survive interstellar travel. Then we might have a purpose.

If we stay on this Rock eventually we will die of some natural cause. The planet will still have other creatures who survive this mass global extinction but even they too will die when the water goes or the sun burns out. If we go with the planet, what was our purpose?

We are a way for the universe to know itself. Amazing.

There is no purpose to life.

And if the universe is trying to know itself through humans it could do better since we only have an understanding of about 5% of it.

Sure there is... to become the best version of yourself and to pass it on. There's your meaning.

Simply put, evolution is when anything moves from a less advanced state to a more advanced state; a less complex state to a more complex state. Since the beginning of time matter has evolved and will continue to do so. Your purpose, your meaning in life is to evolve in consciousness and pass it on to the next generation.

That's your meaning.

You have no business telling my what mine is.

According to you, you don’t have one, right?

But according to Darwin the meaning of life is to pass down functional advantage to the next generation.

No not really

I know that what I do here while I'm alive will have little effect in the grand scheme of things.

And again that's Darwin and he has no more right to tell me what my purpose is than you do.

The human race has been here for but a blink in cosmological time and less than a minute in the earth's geological time.

We will be gone in but another few blinks of time as far as the cosmos is concerned.

Nothing anyone has ever done or will ever do will matter.

Yep, you're a nihilist alright.

As i said.

You have a fatalistic attitude, my friend.

I know.

Better a realist than some naive idealistic Pollyanna

No. A realist isn't a fatalist. A realist does not believe that life is without meaning. A realists accepts situations as they are and deals with them. Whereas a fatalist believes nothing matters (i.e. life is without meaning).

realist: a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.

fatalist: a person who believes all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.

nihilist: a person who believes that life is meaningless.

I'm not a fatalist I do not think anything is predetermined. In fact I am just the opposite as I think events are totally random and chaotic.

And I can be a realist and a nihilist as the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

A realist is not able to say "everything is an illusion". Something has to produce this illusion. Cogito ergo sum.

In fact I do accept things the way they and deal with the way things are on a daily basis but in the really big picture I can also accept that those same things are meaningless

It's meaningless to say things are meaningless. Nothing what's real is unimportant. A minimal cause is able to produce a maximal effect. Example: A mutation of a virus starts a pandemic.

Where did I ever use the word "illusion"?

You used the word "nihilist" and a nihilist thinks everything is an illusion - that's why it is meaningless what we think and do.

And all that man does, feels, thinks or believes in the cosmic scope is meaningless.

So you are a nihilist - but not a realist. To be a realist excludes it to be a nihilist.

No a nihilist thinks life is meaningless.

Definition of NIHILISM

a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless; a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

You'll notice in the definition there is nothing about nihilism thinking life is an illusion.

So yes I can think life is meaningless and therefore be a nihilist and I can also be a realist and accept things the way they are

Nihilism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

www.iep.utm.edu

It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticismthat condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

The impulse to destroy is your interpretation.

I have no impulse to destroy anything. I do not condemn existence I just know that it the cosmic scope of things our lives are meaningless.

And yes I am an extreme cynic and pessimist. I would rather expect something bad to happen and be ready for it ( realist) than expect only good things to happen and then be sucker punched by the bad shit.

Good fortune is nothing but random luck just like tragedy is nothing but random bad luck.

There is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone.

Not my interpretation, bro. Straight out of the link I provided.

FYI, a cynic and pessimist is not a realist.

Of course they can be realists.

Expecting the worst as a pessimist does fits right in with realism.

Cynicism is a school of thought that one should live in virtue and reject desires for wealth power and fame.

Now being cynical is not in any way opposed to being realistic either as there has never been a being as deceitful and treacherous as the humans that we no of so nothing humans do can be accepted at face value. That is the epitome of realism

 

[ding]

You can't be an agnostic atheist.

I would say you are an agnostic secularist

• Atheist - There is no god.
• Nihilistic - Life has no meaning.
• Secular - Lack of religion.
• Agnostic - There may or may not be a god, but open to know more.
• Gnostic - Belief that the God (or gods) we worship are in fact evil tricksters and that a secret knowledge is preventing us from the true God.
• Animistic - Belief that all things contain spirits.
• Deist - There is a God who created life, but just watches and does not intervene.
• Theist - Belief in a higher power and at least one god.
• Polytheist - Belief in more than one god.
• Monotheist -believing in a single God - ie. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
• Apostate - A person who leaves a religion.
• Misotheist - A person that hates God or the Gods.
• Dustheism - Belief that God or the Gods are not totally good.
• Macioism - Belief that God is a Demiurge and wrathful, malicious evil creator. Similar to Gnostic.
• Euthesim - Belief in a totally good God.

What do you mean life has meaning? What is the meaning? What is our purpose? I think we could master the universe if we weren’t so primitive. Still warring with each other rather than working as one planet to get to mars and mine the meteor belt. Then build a ship the size of a planet that can also survive interstellar travel. Then we might have a purpose.

If we stay on this Rock eventually we will die of some natural cause. The planet will still have other creatures who survive this mass global extinction but even they too will die when the water goes or the sun burns out. If we go with the planet, what was our purpose?

We are a way for the universe to know itself. Amazing.

There is no purpose to life.

And if the universe is trying to know itself through humans it could do better since we only have an understanding of about 5% of it.

Sure there is... to become the best version of yourself and to pass it on. There's your meaning.

Simply put, evolution is when anything moves from a less advanced state to a more advanced state; a less complex state to a more complex state. Since the beginning of time matter has evolved and will continue to do so. Your purpose, your meaning in life is to evolve in consciousness and pass it on to the next generation.

That's your meaning.

You have no business telling my what mine is.

According to you, you don’t have one, right?

But according to Darwin the meaning of life is to pass down functional advantage to the next generation.

No not really

I know that what I do here while I'm alive will have little effect in the grand scheme of things.

And again that's Darwin and he has no more right to tell me what my purpose is than you do.

The human race has been here for but a blink in cosmological time and less than a minute in the earth's geological time.

We will be gone in but another few blinks of time as far as the cosmos is concerned.

Nothing anyone has ever done or will ever do will matter.

Yep, you're a nihilist alright.

As i said.

You have a fatalistic attitude, my friend.

I know.

Better a realist than some naive idealistic Pollyanna

No. A realist isn't a fatalist. A realist does not believe that life is without meaning. A realists accepts situations as they are and deals with them. Whereas a fatalist believes nothing matters (i.e. life is without meaning).

realist: a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.

fatalist: a person who believes all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.

nihilist: a person who believes that life is meaningless.

I'm not a fatalist I do not think anything is predetermined. In fact I am just the opposite as I think events are totally random and chaotic.

And I can be a realist and a nihilist as the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

A realist is not able to say "everything is an illusion". Something has to produce this illusion. Cogito ergo sum.

In fact I do accept things the way they and deal with the way things are on a daily basis but in the really big picture I can also accept that those same things are meaningless

It's meaningless to say things are meaningless. Nothing what's real is unimportant. A minimal cause is able to produce a maximal effect. Example: A mutation of a virus starts a pandemic.

Where did I ever use the word "illusion"?

You used the word "nihilist" and a nihilist thinks everything is an illusion - that's why it is meaningless what we think and do.

And all that man does, feels, thinks or believes in the cosmic scope is meaningless.

So you are a nihilist - but not a realist. To be a realist excludes it to be a nihilist.

No a nihilist thinks life is meaningless.

Definition of NIHILISM

a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless; a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

You'll notice in the definition there is nothing about nihilism thinking life is an illusion.

So yes I can think life is meaningless and therefore be a nihilist and I can also be a realist and accept things the way they are

Nihilism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

www.iep.utm.edu

It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticismthat condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

The impulse to destroy is your interpretation.

I have no impulse to destroy anything. I do not condemn existence I just know that it the cosmic scope of things our lives are meaningless.

And yes I am an extreme cynic and pessimist. I would rather expect something bad to happen and be ready for it ( realist) than expect only good things to happen and then be sucker punched by the bad shit.

Good fortune is nothing but random luck just like tragedy is nothing but random bad luck.

There is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone.

Not my interpretation, bro. Straight out of the link I provided.

FYI, a cynic and pessimist is not a realist.

Of course they can be realists.

Expecting the worst as a pessimist does fits right in with realism.

Cynicism is a school of thought that one should live in virtue and reject desires for wealth power and fame.

Now being cynical is not in any way opposed to being realistic either as there has never been a being as deceitful and treacherous as the humans that we no of so nothing humans do can be accepted at face value. That is the epitome of realism

Being a realist precludes taking extreme views. Cynicism and pessimism are diametrically opposite the other extreme views which are Pollyannaism and optimism.

It should be obvious, but if you want to ignore the obvious, go right ahead.

 

[Grumblenuts]

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We all know you don’t agree with the black Christian community on this issue. How is it they read the same holy book you do yet you disagree so much on black lives matter?

I loved it when people started attacking colin kaepernick for his protesting of how his people were being treated.

We know you loved attacking kappernick

Now of course I'm not talking about all black people but when us whites say we don't want blacks moving into our communities, this is the reason why.

So I'm in the Tim Horton drive thru and this black girl is not in line but decides without even acknowledging me she was going to cut in line in front of me so I honk at her. Instead of gesturing to me that she's sorry or to say thanks for letting her cut in front, she flips me off and says FUCK YOU! So I flip her off and I say some things when she's ordering like, "hey honey do you need me to pay for you? Because you don't look like you can afford it, you stupid ugly bitch".

Just as she's leaving, I honk one more time flip her off and say FUCK YOU BITCH! She backs up and rams her car into mine. Not hard, and I already have damage to the front of my car so she didn't cause any damage, but my question is, "who fucking does that?" Are black people uncivilized? Are they unable to use their words? She could have just said fuck you back and drove off. But the animal in her made her back up and ram me.

Hey black people. Do you know how to act out in public? You think you can just cut in front of someone and not even acknowledge them? But that's not even a big deal. A white person could do that too. The amazing thing is that she had the animal instinct to back up and ram me. I wish so bad I could have fucked her up.

And why the chip on the shoulder? Why so angry? Why so ready to flip me off rather than say sorry or excuse me? Rude fucking bitch! I should have chased her down and called the cops because you just know she didn't have insurance or registration. And she would have given them attitude and probably ended up hanging herself 3 days later in jail. See, this is what happens to blacks when they run into cops. They get into altercations like this only with cops and the cop doesn't have to let it go like I do.

And you know if I would have rammed into her car she would have called the cops. Does she think she has immunity? Is DWB a good thing now?

Hey black people. Don't come out to our neighborhood if you don't like white people and you have a ghetto mentality. Or at least don't be surprised that we don't want you. I know you will say you don't care, but we all know you do.

And I know you are a protected species right now but everyone at work says I should have pulled her out of the car and beat the shit out of her. I would never go to Detroit and be disrespectful to black people. I'd get my ass kicked.

This is why blacks are getting shot by cops. Blacks simply do not know how to act.

And I bet you that her attitude intimidates a lot of whites but it didn't me. I went back at her just as loud as she did me. Fuck me? No fuck you bitch!

Repeatedly repeating posts without comment other than "

"?
Dragging someone's posts in from elsewhere?
Could one ignore forum rules and behave more like a troll?
Maybe Jits, I doubt it though.
OMG, look, sealy lost his shit and posted racist road rage 4 years ago!
Others currently posting far worse on this MB every damned day..
What, where's ding?
No ding? Really?

Ahem,

Don't feed it.

 

[ding]

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We all know you don’t agree with the black Christian community on this issue. How is it they read the same holy book you do yet you disagree so much on black lives matter?

I loved it when people started attacking colin kaepernick for his protesting of how his people were being treated.

We know you loved attacking kappernick

Now of course I'm not talking about all black people but when us whites say we don't want blacks moving into our communities, this is the reason why.

So I'm in the Tim Horton drive thru and this black girl is not in line but decides without even acknowledging me she was going to cut in line in front of me so I honk at her. Instead of gesturing to me that she's sorry or to say thanks for letting her cut in front, she flips me off and says FUCK YOU! So I flip her off and I say some things when she's ordering like, "hey honey do you need me to pay for you? Because you don't look like you can afford it, you stupid ugly bitch".

Just as she's leaving, I honk one more time flip her off and say FUCK YOU BITCH! She backs up and rams her car into mine. Not hard, and I already have damage to the front of my car so she didn't cause any damage, but my question is, "who fucking does that?" Are black people uncivilized? Are they unable to use their words? She could have just said fuck you back and drove off. But the animal in her made her back up and ram me.

Hey black people. Do you know how to act out in public? You think you can just cut in front of someone and not even acknowledge them? But that's not even a big deal. A white person could do that too. The amazing thing is that she had the animal instinct to back up and ram me. I wish so bad I could have fucked her up.

And why the chip on the shoulder? Why so angry? Why so ready to flip me off rather than say sorry or excuse me? Rude fucking bitch! I should have chased her down and called the cops because you just know she didn't have insurance or registration. And she would have given them attitude and probably ended up hanging herself 3 days later in jail. See, this is what happens to blacks when they run into cops. They get into altercations like this only with cops and the cop doesn't have to let it go like I do.

And you know if I would have rammed into her car she would have called the cops. Does she think she has immunity? Is DWB a good thing now?

Hey black people. Don't come out to our neighborhood if you don't like white people and you have a ghetto mentality. Or at least don't be surprised that we don't want you. I know you will say you don't care, but we all know you do.

And I know you are a protected species right now but everyone at work says I should have pulled her out of the car and beat the shit out of her. I would never go to Detroit and be disrespectful to black people. I'd get my ass kicked.

This is why blacks are getting shot by cops. Blacks simply do not know how to act.

And I bet you that her attitude intimidates a lot of whites but it didn't me. I went back at her just as loud as she did me. Fuck me? No fuck you bitch!

Repeatedly repeating posts without comment other than "

"?
Dragging someone's posts in from elsewhere?
Could one ignore forum rules and behave more like a troll?
Maybe Jits, I doubt it though.
OMG, look, sealy lost his shit and posted racist road rage 4 years ago!
Others currently posting far worse on this MB every damned day..
What, where's ding?
No ding? Really?

Ahem,

Don't feed it.

Don't forget my siggie.

Grumblenuts intentionally denies examination because he is irrational. There is no formal defined socialism of Grumblenuts. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just from Grumblenuts beliefs: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Grumblenuts seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Grumblenuts has an extraordinary ability to be inspired, incited and inflamed by social movements. Grumblenuts dismisses his defeats and ignores his incongruities. Grumblenuts desires big government and wants big government to implement his morally relativistic social policies. Grumblenuts dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. He sees no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Grumblenuts practices moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. Grumblenuts worships science but is the first to reject it when it suits his purpose. Grumblenuts can be identified by an external locus of control. Grumblenuts religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. Grumblenuts practices critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what he does not believe to arrive at what he does believe without ever having to examine what he believes. Grumblenuts confuses critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something Grumblenuts never does.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I think it's extremely sad that a few here have the mindset that lives are completely meaningless, life itself has no meaning, there is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone, etc.

Not only is that tragically incorrect,

Yes, painting with a broad brush like that generally is. I think you should name names and individually quote people expressing these alleged "mindsets" you describe. That way allows for honest, productive discussion. Clarification where required. Who knows, maybe you've lived such a comparatively sheltered life you really have no idea whose shoes you may be looking at all wrong.

 

[buttercup]

You can't be an agnostic atheist.

I would say you are an agnostic secularist

• Atheist - There is no god.
• Nihilistic - Life has no meaning.
• Secular - Lack of religion.
• Agnostic - There may or may not be a god, but open to know more.
• Gnostic - Belief that the God (or gods) we worship are in fact evil tricksters and that a secret knowledge is preventing us from the true God.
• Animistic - Belief that all things contain spirits.
• Deist - There is a God who created life, but just watches and does not intervene.
• Theist - Belief in a higher power and at least one god.
• Polytheist - Belief in more than one god.
• Monotheist -believing in a single God - ie. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
• Apostate - A person who leaves a religion.
• Misotheist - A person that hates God or the Gods.
• Dustheism - Belief that God or the Gods are not totally good.
• Macioism - Belief that God is a Demiurge and wrathful, malicious evil creator. Similar to Gnostic.
• Euthesim - Belief in a totally good God.

What do you mean life has meaning? What is the meaning? What is our purpose? I think we could master the universe if we weren’t so primitive. Still warring with each other rather than working as one planet to get to mars and mine the meteor belt. Then build a ship the size of a planet that can also survive interstellar travel. Then we might have a purpose.

If we stay on this Rock eventually we will die of some natural cause. The planet will still have other creatures who survive this mass global extinction but even they too will die when the water goes or the sun burns out. If we go with the planet, what was our purpose?

We are a way for the universe to know itself. Amazing.

There is no purpose to life.

And if the universe is trying to know itself through humans it could do better since we only have an understanding of about 5% of it.

Sure there is... to become the best version of yourself and to pass it on. There's your meaning.

Simply put, evolution is when anything moves from a less advanced state to a more advanced state; a less complex state to a more complex state. Since the beginning of time matter has evolved and will continue to do so. Your purpose, your meaning in life is to evolve in consciousness and pass it on to the next generation.

That's your meaning.

You have no business telling my what mine is.

According to you, you don’t have one, right?

But according to Darwin the meaning of life is to pass down functional advantage to the next generation.

No not really

I know that what I do here while I'm alive will have little effect in the grand scheme of things.

And again that's Darwin and he has no more right to tell me what my purpose is than you do.

The human race has been here for but a blink in cosmological time and less than a minute in the earth's geological time.

We will be gone in but another few blinks of time as far as the cosmos is concerned.

Nothing anyone has ever done or will ever do will matter.

Yep, you're a nihilist alright.

As i said.

You have a fatalistic attitude, my friend.

I know.

Better a realist than some naive idealistic Pollyanna

No. A realist isn't a fatalist. A realist does not believe that life is without meaning. A realists accepts situations as they are and deals with them. Whereas a fatalist believes nothing matters (i.e. life is without meaning).

realist: a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.

fatalist: a person who believes all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.

nihilist: a person who believes that life is meaningless.

I'm not a fatalist I do not think anything is predetermined. In fact I am just the opposite as I think events are totally random and chaotic.

And I can be a realist and a nihilist as the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

A realist is not able to say "everything is an illusion". Something has to produce this illusion. Cogito ergo sum.

In fact I do accept things the way they and deal with the way things are on a daily basis but in the really big picture I can also accept that those same things are meaningless

It's meaningless to say things are meaningless. Nothing what's real is unimportant. A minimal cause is able to produce a maximal effect. Example: A mutation of a virus starts a pandemic.

Where did I ever use the word "illusion"?

You used the word "nihilist" and a nihilist thinks everything is an illusion - that's why it is meaningless what we think and do.

And all that man does, feels, thinks or believes in the cosmic scope is meaningless.

So you are a nihilist - but not a realist. To be a realist excludes it to be a nihilist.

No a nihilist thinks life is meaningless.

Definition of NIHILISM

a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless; a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

You'll notice in the definition there is nothing about nihilism thinking life is an illusion.

So yes I can think life is meaningless and therefore be a nihilist and I can also be a realist and accept things the way they are

Nihilism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

www.iep.utm.edu

It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticismthat condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

The impulse to destroy is your interpretation.

I have no impulse to destroy anything. I do not condemn existence I just know that it the cosmic scope of things our lives are meaningless.

And yes I am an extreme cynic and pessimist. I would rather expect something bad to happen and be ready for it ( realist) than expect only good things to happen and then be sucker punched by the bad shit.

Good fortune is nothing but random luck just like tragedy is nothing but random bad luck.

There is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone.

Not my interpretation, bro. Straight out of the link I provided.

FYI, a cynic and pessimist is not a realist.

Of course they can be realists.

Expecting the worst as a pessimist does fits right in with realism.

Cynicism is a school of thought that one should live in virtue and reject desires for wealth power and fame.

Now being cynical is not in any way opposed to being realistic either as there has never been a being as deceitful and treacherous as the humans that we no of so nothing humans do can be accepted at face value. That is the epitome of realism

If you expect the worst, you're far more likely to end up getting the worst. ATTITUDE is one of the most important things in life, that is why successful people are usually people who are positive and don't hold themselves back with negative thoughts and a limiting mindset.

As ding said, it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

The reality is that there is good AND bad in life. There is BOTH. But it's possible to live life in a way that brings about more GOOD. So why go through life expecting the worst, when you can just accept the reality that there is both good and bad, but we can make things so much better if we simply do things the right way.

That said, I want to repeat something I said to LA RAM earlier on the thread. Well, I'll just link to the post, here it is: Open Minded Agnostic Atheist

I realize of course that you're not a believer, so you'll probably just dismiss that post I just linked to. But I wanted to bring up that point again because when you learn that there is more to life than just this current existence in this corrupted world, everything makes so much more sense, and you can live life with true HOPE and understanding that truth, meaning and a true GOOD exists. Those things have a source, the same source of the physical world and all of existence. The Creator, the living God, who is infinitely more than just an impersonal "force."

There are no words that adequately express how amazing it is to finally see and believe, and live your life in a way that has true meaning, purpose, faith, love and HOPE!

There's so much more to be said here, but I could go on and on, so I'll refrain, haha! I'll leave it at this. Coming to Christ was the best decision I ever made, by far. It doesn't just change your life, you literally become a new creation and you have a whole new life. One that is infinitely better than life apart from God. In just about every way.

 

[buttercup]

I think it's extremely sad that a few here have the mindset that lives are completely meaningless, life itself has no meaning, there is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone, etc.

Not only is that tragically incorrect,

Yes, painting with a broad brush like that generally is. I think you should name names and individually quote people expressing these alleged "mindsets" you describe. That way allows for honest, productive discussion. Clarification where required. Who knows, maybe you've lived such a comparatively sheltered life you really have no idea whose shoes you may be looking at all wrong.

I was talking about Blues Man, but I noticed that a couple of you were agreeing with some of the things he was saying. I know that not all atheists are nihilists like him, but at the end of the day, the atheistic worldview also leads to the idea that life has no true meaning or purpose. It also devalues life, because in your worldview we are basically just accidents, a soulless clump of atoms. Not inherently valuable beings created with love and purpose. That is one of the things I was referring to when I said it's a very sad, dismal worldview.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I think it's extremely sad that a few here have the mindset that lives are completely meaningless, life itself has no meaning, there is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone, etc.

Not only is that tragically incorrect,

Yes, painting with a broad brush like that generally is. I think you should name names and individually quote people expressing these alleged "mindsets" you describe. That way allows for honest, productive discussion. Clarification where required. Who knows, maybe you've lived such a comparatively sheltered life you really have no idea whose shoes you may be looking at all wrong.

I was talking about Blues Man, but I noticed that a couple of you were agreeing with some of the things he was saying. I know that not all atheists are nihilists like him, but at the end of the day, the atheistic worldview also leads to the idea that life has no true meaning or purpose. It also devalues life, because in your worldview we are basically just accidents, a soulless clump of atoms. Not inherently valuable beings created with love and purpose. That is one of the things I was referring to when I said it's a very sad, dismal worldview.

Thanks and fair enough, far as I'm concerned. Obviously, I largely disagree, but I'll let that go for now at least. I would agree that I've said way too much here already.

 

[zaangalewa]

Atheism is also only a belief, if god might exist.

Zzzz..
One more time.. Atheism is lack of belief.. doesn't logically rule out gods possibly existing.. nor life on Pluto.. anything.. not a belief other than perhaps that one's profound lack of shareable evidence yields nothing to crow about.. nor exclude people.. discriminate against them.. claim special privileges.. take tax breaks.. etc.. etc..

I did not ask you, atheist. I asked sealybobo, because he calls himselve an agnostics. I like to know what he says.

Same thing, but
Then reply to him instead

Idiot

 

[zaangalewa]

this very famous paradox in the name of Epicurus, which is continously used from atheists against Christians. Still we did not find an answer. But we have time - a whole universe full of time.

Fine admission and no, "we" don't. We're pretty much done. See Michael Moore's new film for details..

"You" do - continously. And Michael Moore is an atheist? What about is his new film? Any source?