Opinion: If Trump makes this election about Law and Order, he will lose. He HAS to make it about the economy and China. Big cities isn't the path.

shockedcanadian

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Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, he might lose it again in 2020. He won key battleground states and counties by a small margin however. If he has a chance in 2020, he can't take the bait that big city mayors seem to be dangling and focus on "Law and Order". He is going to make the same mistake Hillary made in 2016, by neglecting key swing locations.

Now I have no problem with Trump talking about security, including the wall. He should balance it with Justice Reform as well, an optimistic message. If you go with "Law and Order", it's just negative. Worse, you won't get traction with Rust Belt and the swing states. Trump getting an extra 8% in big cities isn't going to help him, he isn't going to win NY, D,C or California. He needs to win the E.C not the local mayoral race.

He is very smart to fly to these various locations this week, talk about the economy, talk about confronting China, yes, talking about making sure citizens rights are upheld, but nobody expects that you as President can run cities, so don't take the bait. Tell people, "we reject Cancel Culture, we believe in Due Process, accountability for police and those destroying government property and terrorizing all neighbourhoods, many of them in need because of poor local leadership".

THAT should be the extent of it. He can't give up the economic ground to Biden, or he will lose those key locations he barely won in 2016. Don't listen to the Echo Chamber that talk about policing 24/7, they aren't political winners, they are focused narrowly, you have a federal election to win.

I will support Trump (in spirit from afar) or ANY politician who wants to stand up to China, defend capitalism and your sovereignty. As America goes, so go the rest of the West. I just hope he has his eyes open, because in 2020, they aren't holding anything back.

By the way, Dan Bongino had it right on Fox and Friends this morning, the only solution if you want change is to vote out local leadership. That's it. I agree 100%, Trump can offer assistance, but he can't be mayor and president.
 
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He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.
 
I think America is changing.
While I would have certainly agreed with you in the past, today we have clear examples of a threat to suburban America.
Yes, there have been riots in America's past, but never has America's political climate been so fractured.

The problem with making it about the economy is that the Left has the decline from covid19 to squarely blame on Trump, and they do.
Is he going to run on the economic platform pointing out the Pre-covid19 growth?
If, by "economy" you mean focusing on China, then he clearly already is and will likely continue to do so.

Many Americans are indeed fearful of the rioting spreading. The surge of the Black Lives Matter Movement is frightening to many white Americans as well as some non white Americans.

A good mix of addressing the economy along with urgent domestic matters is probably best and I'm sure his campaign will balance this well.
 
Law and Order is a necessary discussion to have this election cycle as the democrats break down law and order and cause Chaos and drive crime rates through the roof.
All the rioting and looting is in DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CITIES and states...because democrats are encouraging and enabling this to go on...Trump very well should address this concern to many americans
 
He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.
And regarding the economy, the biggest thing he has in his favor is that people don't look beyond the simple headlines. They'll hear about the low unemployment rate before the virus hit, but they don't know about the hyper-Keynesian spending that got us there, or the fact that the NY Fed STILL had to pour $1.4T into short term credit markets to grease the system, or the fact that bond yields (the bond market's view of the economy) had crashed by 60%, or that we had been in a prolonged manufacturing recession, or that the 2.1% GDP rate we were at when the virus hit was not worth what we were paying for it.
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, in the same poll the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. Biden chose a V.P that will help him win what he was going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.
 
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Law and Order is a necessary discussion to have this election cycle as the democrats break down law and order and cause Chaos and drive crime rates through the roof.
All the rioting and looting is in DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CITIES and states...because democrats are encouraging and enabling this to go on...Trump very well should address this concern to many americans

Agreed. Congresswoman Presley (D) today called for continued unrest...Not a winner.
 
He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.

It is easy to say things like this, but it takes honesty to back it up.....what lies?

The problem is business. He will never condemn that. China never forced our businesses to move there. To address China you have to address the businesses that moved there, not tax the consumers that have little choice but purchase items from companies that moved there.
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. You are going to win what you were going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.

Those not supporting Biden because of Harris aren't going to turn their support to Trump either.

Trump is incapable of being positive so it's a race to the bottom.
 
He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.
And regarding the economy, the biggest thing he has in his favor is that people don't look beyond the simple headlines. They'll hear about the low unemployment rate before the virus hit, but they don't know about the hyper-Keynesian spending that got us there, or the fact that the NY Fed STILL had to pour $1.4T into short term credit markets to grease the system, or the fact that bond yields (the bond market's view of the economy) had crashed by 60%, or that we had been in a prolonged manufacturing recession, or that the 2.1% GDP rate we were at when the virus hit was not worth what we were paying for it.

Peoples eyes glaze over when you dig that deep into the weeds...Right or wrong, people are more like myself, in the sense that what they do is ask themselves was my situation better 5 yrs ago, or today....And, I believe that answer is clear.
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. You are going to win what you were going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.

Those not supporting Biden because of Harris aren't going to turn their support to Trump either.

Trump is incapable of being positive so it's a race to the bottom.

You can pull the lever for whomever you wish. Bottom line is that if it isn’t for one of the two the the incumbent wins...period.
 
He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.
And regarding the economy, the biggest thing he has in his favor is that people don't look beyond the simple headlines. They'll hear about the low unemployment rate before the virus hit, but they don't know about the hyper-Keynesian spending that got us there, or the fact that the NY Fed STILL had to pour $1.4T into short term credit markets to grease the system, or the fact that bond yields (the bond market's view of the economy) had crashed by 60%, or that we had been in a prolonged manufacturing recession, or that the 2.1% GDP rate we were at when the virus hit was not worth what we were paying for it.

Peoples eyes glaze over when you dig that deep into the weeds...Right or wrong, people are more like myself, in the sense that what they do is ask themselves was my situation better 5 yrs ago, or today....And, I believe that answer is clear.

You believe we will be better off with 30 trillion in debt? If so, why not just make it 70 trillion?
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. You are going to win what you were going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.

Those not supporting Biden because of Harris aren't going to turn their support to Trump either.

Trump is incapable of being positive so it's a race to the bottom.

You can pull the lever for whomever you wish. Bottom line is that if it isn’t for one of the two the the incumbent wins...period.

The country loses either way.
 
I disagree. Soccer moms saw the lemonade stand get robbed. They see the violence on the way to where they live.
Voters know that they can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.

They also see the cities about to collapse and worry that if they do the degradation will come to suburbia or rural america.
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. You are going to win what you were going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.

Those not supporting Biden because of Harris aren't going to turn their support to Trump either.

Trump is incapable of being positive so it's a race to the bottom.

You can pull the lever for whomever you wish. Bottom line is that if it isn’t for one of the two the the incumbent wins...period.

The country loses either way.

So say you...Others believe otherwise.
 
He can only lie about China but unfortunately voters accept lies for some odd reason. Both sides will do this.

It is easy to say things like this, but it takes honesty to back it up.....what lies?

The problem is business. He will never condemn that. China never forced our businesses to move there. To address China you have to address the businesses that moved there, not tax the consumers that have little choice but purchase items from companies that moved there.

We have choices. Maybe not as many as we would like, or, in certain near monopolies we don't, but we have choices.

I've been looking at the back of packaging. Recently I was at the dollar store picking up a simple technical do-hickey product. I looked at the back, and as expected, I stared at the words "Made in China". I was not happy, I stared at it at some length, frozen, and saw the price, $2. I saw another alternative, "Made in Singapore". Price. $4.

I didn't like paying the extra $2, but I felt great doing so. Yeah, we can't do that for everything, and obviously if it's the difference of $2, compared to $200, it makes the decision much tougher. However, we have to do our part.

I pay more for local grown veggies to. Probably cost me $200 over the course of a year, but, I want to support local farming and I trust it more.
 
On Fox News just now, Fox and Friends, they just stated that CNN's own poll had Biden ahead of Trump by 14%, after Harris was named V.P, the gap lowered to 4%!

Why? This is because Harris is viewed as an extreme, strong arm AG with a history of "Law and Order". She is costing Biden the black vote, I am telling you. Few trust her, and I think in his heart Biden knows this. She is a big city winner for Biden, she will help him win Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, she will get him big money from donors. She will NOT get him key votes he needs to win.

Trump and Pence have to take up that space. Square in the middle. Harris is viewed extreme left AND right. So unique, very Canadian actually contrary to how we present ourselves. Trump has the middle now and he has to be positive, he has so many easy paths in his message now. When he calls her angry woman, (I wouldn't use that exact phrasing, just call her angry), it reminds people, "yeah, that's right, she does seem a bit angry, a bit SCARY (that is key, people fear fascism to their core)"

Congrats. You are going to win what you were going to win anyways. Trump has to understand how this V.P choice impacts Dem supporters, focus on the positive, the economy and China. Swing states want their jobs protected from Communist intrusion.

Those not supporting Biden because of Harris aren't going to turn their support to Trump either.

Trump is incapable of being positive so it's a race to the bottom.

You can pull the lever for whomever you wish. Bottom line is that if it isn’t for one of the two the the incumbent wins...period.

The country loses either way.

So say you...Others believe otherwise.

They do. It's why we will soon be 30 trillion in debt. That is not going to end well.
 

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