Opinion: Trump Syria Strikes Not Strong Enough

So you want America and NATO to now basically be ISIS and the other Islamic Terrorist groups air force?

The Russians are protecting their economic asset in Syria, okay so they have a right to do that, at least they articulate WHAT their actual interest in Syria is, unlike America who babble about protecting "America's National Interests" without actually telling the world WTF America's National Interests are in a nation that is 10,000 miles away from America, you have NO National Interests OR Economic Interests in Syria so why the fuck are you even there to begin with?
Then if Putin wants to keep his precious assets he better put pressure on Assad to accept a negotiated solution. Let Russia deal with Putin. US can deal with Kurds, Arab league of states with Sunni groups. U.N. can rubber stamp whole thing, Syria divided into three (Britain drew up boundary in 1920’s the lost Syria to the French) areas. It’s an artificial country anyway. Let the Kurds have their slice and fight against themselves, let Assad and his Alawite klan have Damascus and chunk of territory there, and let Sunni groups have their slice of pie as well. Let Arab States squabble over that shitty slice. Then, let U.N. peace keepers set up DMZs between the three areas. Shazam. Problem solved. I digress...I’m just throwing out to the group.

Dividing Syria makes the most sense...give the Kurds have a bit.
Turkey would invade it.

Erdogan has openly stated on multiple occasions that he would not allow for the Kurds to have a Kurdistan, he has openly stated that Turkey would invade and crush it and the Kurds within.
Arm the Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.

The Kurds under no scenario would be any match for the Turkish armed forces, Turkey is one of the most heavily armed and militarised nations on this planet, they also have nearly one million troops both active and reserve, they have an air force....the Kurds have no air force and NOBODY is going to put their OWN boots on the ground to help the Kurds who are basically mountain peasants fight the Turkish Army.
 
Dividing Syria makes the most sense...give the Kurds have a bit.

Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Dividing Syria makes the most sense...give the Kurds have a bit.

Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey. Considering Erdogan has aligned himself with his fellow Islamists it's ridiculous and also dangerous to trust Turkey as being a member of NATO.
Why are Kurds operating autonomously now? Why doesn’t Turkey crush them now?

Because Erdogan is waiting for something else to happen so he can then go in under the cover of that, whatever the something else happening is that would be his cover because it would distract everyone else from paying attention to him going in and wiping the Kurds out.
Again...arm Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.
 
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey. Considering Erdogan has aligned himself with his fellow Islamists it's ridiculous and also dangerous to trust Turkey as being a member of NATO.
Why are Kurds operating autonomously now? Why doesn’t Turkey crush them now?

Because Erdogan is waiting for something else to happen so he can then go in under the cover of that, whatever the something else happening is that would be his cover because it would distract everyone else from paying attention to him going in and wiping the Kurds out.
Again...arm Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.
Will not work..............Turkey has a very good military
 
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan has openly stated he wanted Turkey to be the Caliphate to Unite the Middle East and destroy Israel.

In regards to the Kurds............Turkey has vowed to invade if the Kurds try to make a Nation there

Yes and yes, it's bizarro that Turkey under Erdogan is still allowed to remain as a member of NATO, Erdogan is also openly hostile to The West.
What is our CIA up to these days? MI 6 ? Surely Mr. Erdoğan can be dealt with.

What are you suggesting? The CIA and MI6 assassinate him? Are you smoking crack or something tonight? This is just insane what you are suggesting.
 
Then if Putin wants to keep his precious assets he better put pressure on Assad to accept a negotiated solution. Let Russia deal with Putin. US can deal with Kurds, Arab league of states with Sunni groups. U.N. can rubber stamp whole thing, Syria divided into three (Britain drew up boundary in 1920’s the lost Syria to the French) areas. It’s an artificial country anyway. Let the Kurds have their slice and fight against themselves, let Assad and his Alawite klan have Damascus and chunk of territory there, and let Sunni groups have their slice of pie as well. Let Arab States squabble over that shitty slice. Then, let U.N. peace keepers set up DMZs between the three areas. Shazam. Problem solved. I digress...I’m just throwing out to the group.

Dividing Syria makes the most sense...give the Kurds have a bit.
Turkey would invade it.

Erdogan has openly stated on multiple occasions that he would not allow for the Kurds to have a Kurdistan, he has openly stated that Turkey would invade and crush it and the Kurds within.
Arm the Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.

The Kurds under no scenario would be any match for the Turkish armed forces, Turkey is one of the most heavily armed and militarised nations on this planet, they also have nearly one million troops both active and reserve, they have an air force....the Kurds have no air force and NOBODY is going to put their OWN boots on the ground to help the Kurds who are basically mountain peasants fight the Turkish Army.
True. But at least make Turkey pay a high price in blood.
 
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Why are you arguing for something that would escalate the chaos, ie. giving the Kurds their own region, everyone knows that Turkey would not allow that and if it happened it would escalate things and Turkey would go in and bomb the new Kurd region.
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey. Considering Erdogan has aligned himself with his fellow Islamists it's ridiculous and also dangerous to trust Turkey as being a member of NATO.
Why are Kurds operating autonomously now? Why doesn’t Turkey crush them now?

Because Erdogan is waiting for something else to happen so he can then go in under the cover of that, whatever the something else happening is that would be his cover because it would distract everyone else from paying attention to him going in and wiping the Kurds out.
Again...arm Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.

See my post # 101
 
I would love to see a Kurdistan............every country over there has abused them and killed them. They are considered 2nd class citizens in Turkey............and they BY FAR would be better for us to have some of that land as they have stood TALL in the War against ISIS.

But it isn't realistically possible.
 
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan has openly stated he wanted Turkey to be the Caliphate to Unite the Middle East and destroy Israel.

In regards to the Kurds............Turkey has vowed to invade if the Kurds try to make a Nation there

Yes and yes, it's bizarro that Turkey under Erdogan is still allowed to remain as a member of NATO, Erdogan is also openly hostile to The West.
What is our CIA up to these days? MI 6 ? Surely Mr. Erdoğan can be dealt with.

What are you suggesting? The CIA and MI6 assassinate him? Are you smoking crack or something tonight? This is just insane what you are suggesting.
Black ops. It’s what they do. Line our guy up to take charge after his demise.
 
I would love to see a Kurdistan............every country over there has abused them and killed them. They are considered 2nd class citizens in Turkey............and they BY FAR would be better for us to have some of that land as they have stood TALL in the War against ISIS.

But it isn't realistically possible.
It is unfortunate...but you cannot help but admire a brave people.
 
Dividing Syria makes the most sense...give the Kurds have a bit.
Turkey would invade it.

Erdogan has openly stated on multiple occasions that he would not allow for the Kurds to have a Kurdistan, he has openly stated that Turkey would invade and crush it and the Kurds within.
Arm the Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.

The Kurds under no scenario would be any match for the Turkish armed forces, Turkey is one of the most heavily armed and militarised nations on this planet, they also have nearly one million troops both active and reserve, they have an air force....the Kurds have no air force and NOBODY is going to put their OWN boots on the ground to help the Kurds who are basically mountain peasants fight the Turkish Army.
True. But at least make Turkey pay a high price in blood.
Another War...............more blood......until the cursed deserts of Syria change colors.
 
Turkey is a NATO nation and if U.N. could ensure a peaceful border...dunno. Why are these Kurdishs region acting autonomously right now inside Iraq and Syria?
Why is Turkey allowing the various Kurdish groups to operate autonomously right now? What if Kurds had U.N. protection?
Who are the Kurds?

IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan has openly stated he wanted Turkey to be the Caliphate to Unite the Middle East and destroy Israel.

In regards to the Kurds............Turkey has vowed to invade if the Kurds try to make a Nation there

Yes and yes, it's bizarro that Turkey under Erdogan is still allowed to remain as a member of NATO, Erdogan is also openly hostile to The West.
What is our CIA up to these days? MI 6 ? Surely Mr. Erdoğan can be dealt with.

What are you suggesting? The CIA and MI6 assassinate him? Are you smoking crack or something tonight? This is just insane what you are suggesting.
All options must be on the table when considering a possible response to events.
 
IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan has openly stated he wanted Turkey to be the Caliphate to Unite the Middle East and destroy Israel.

In regards to the Kurds............Turkey has vowed to invade if the Kurds try to make a Nation there

Yes and yes, it's bizarro that Turkey under Erdogan is still allowed to remain as a member of NATO, Erdogan is also openly hostile to The West.
What is our CIA up to these days? MI 6 ? Surely Mr. Erdoğan can be dealt with.

What are you suggesting? The CIA and MI6 assassinate him? Are you smoking crack or something tonight? This is just insane what you are suggesting.
Black ops. It’s what they do. Line our guy up to take charge after his demise.

You do realise that he has at least a hundred subordinates, one of which would take over from him and all agree with what he agrees with ie. they are all as hardcore as he is, so removing him would mean nothing.

But essentially you actually are now suggesting you want war with Russia and Turkey and probably North Korea and also China and....everyone, you just want war is what is comes down to.

This going around and assassinating leaders you do not approve of is something that most peoples do not agree with, I mean would you like it if some nation didn't like the American President and decided to send a team in to kill him? No.
 
The US should hit Damascus and take out Assad’s command and control infrastructure if you really want to stop gas attacks and give rebel forces a big boost. I want to see something more along these lines...

I agree. Mueller's investigation is still in the headlines. We need to hit them again.
 
IMHO Turkey cannot be trusted and Turkey should not be in NATO anymore, Erdogan's Turkey is radically different than the Kemalism of pre-Erdogan Turkey, this Turkey under Erdogan is more in line with the Ottomans and not with Atatürk, Erdogan is returning Turkey to the Ottoman Turkey and as such Turkey should not be trusted and they should be thrown out of NATO. There is now no democracy or secularism in Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan has openly stated he wanted Turkey to be the Caliphate to Unite the Middle East and destroy Israel.

In regards to the Kurds............Turkey has vowed to invade if the Kurds try to make a Nation there

Yes and yes, it's bizarro that Turkey under Erdogan is still allowed to remain as a member of NATO, Erdogan is also openly hostile to The West.
What is our CIA up to these days? MI 6 ? Surely Mr. Erdoğan can be dealt with.

What are you suggesting? The CIA and MI6 assassinate him? Are you smoking crack or something tonight? This is just insane what you are suggesting.
All options must be on the table when considering a possible response to events.

The situation is the Kurds are just not worth it. As it is unfortunately Turkey remains a NATO member and you cannot have other NATO members sending in teams to assassinate the leader of another NATO member, that would be completely insane to do so.
 
Turkey would invade it.

Erdogan has openly stated on multiple occasions that he would not allow for the Kurds to have a Kurdistan, he has openly stated that Turkey would invade and crush it and the Kurds within.
Arm the Kurds to the teeth. Especially anti tank weapons.

The Kurds under no scenario would be any match for the Turkish armed forces, Turkey is one of the most heavily armed and militarised nations on this planet, they also have nearly one million troops both active and reserve, they have an air force....the Kurds have no air force and NOBODY is going to put their OWN boots on the ground to help the Kurds who are basically mountain peasants fight the Turkish Army.
True. But at least make Turkey pay a high price in blood.
Another War...............more blood......until the cursed deserts of Syria change colors.
Again...put pressure on Russia to drop the veto...put pressure on Russia to get Assad to negotiation table...let Putin and his ego play important role in peace talks...he’ll let him have a Noble Peace Prize if you have to...then split Syria along lines I mentioned before.
 
American hubris on full display in this thread.
Opinions are on this thread...............

What is your opinion of the Kurds........................
I don't have one. I have never met one. I certainly wouldn't be discussing their future as though I was the one to decide it.
Who said we decide it................They have wanted it forever. Were promised it through Treaty..........And then murdered in the region by basically everyone........They have taken more ground and fought the ground War against ISIS more than any other group there. They are hardened fighters.................

Why? It has always been fight or die for them..................It has always been a life or death struggle for them in the Middle East.
 

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