Paid time off for me, no paid time off for you.

[Andylusion]

..... You are the dumbest idiot....

Ok, so let's do what you say! Let's do exactly what you want, and let's all share in the Feds socialist policies.

Here we go..... we're going to share in the Fed's policies.

So first, you need an asset.

Let's assume you own a house.

So you sell the asset, the deed to your house, to the Federal Reserve. Then the Federal reserve will.... give you a Capital Reserve Credit, to your account at the Federal Reserve.

Are you better off now?

No you are not. In fact, now you don't own a house, but you have a credit at the Federal Reserve bank.
You still don't have any money from that, because you can't withdraw from your capital reserve account.

So.... Hey, at least you are sharing those super socialist policies at the Fed.

The dumbest things. No matter how many times we explain how the system works, you are still an idiot.

like frasier told woody one day "it means you don't understand it, and you never will".

Well yes. If we had a free-market, all of that would be much cheaper.

That said, I'm not sure what your issue with insulin is. As I've posted before, you can get a full years supply of insulin, for just $360. Now, even if you worked McDonald's, that would be just one weeks check.

So that market is pretty reasonable.

I'm not even sure about Epi-Pen either. From what I've seen, it's $100 for 32 of them.

If you need 32 of these a year, then I think you have bigger problems.

What is your complaint with either?

My complaint is you didn't see what you claimed to see.

That is a valid concern. I freely admit, I'm not an expert on the subject.

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What am I not seeing?

Massive price increases on EpiPens raise alarm

Regulations on "capitalism" is what you are missing.

Now this is ironic...

So I did some digging into this, just for amusement.

Once again, the socialists blow their own foot off, with socialism, and blame capitalism for their own incompetence.

You stupid brainless fools... This is level of absolute stupidity, is exactly why Trump got elected.

There are two specific reasons Epi-Pens went up in cost.

The cost of Epi-Pens was negotiated by Mylan and Insurance companies. As a result, prices were fairly stable.
Then the government got involved with ObamaCare, and deductibles dramatically increased, and as a result the cost of EpiPens were pushed onto consumers in higher prices, because the insurance companies were no longer involved.

So reason number one.... socialism.

And then the bigger of the two reasons, and most important....

A lack of free-market competition. Now that is fascinating isn't it.

Did you know that epinephrine is not even patented? Did you know that epinephrine has been synthesized since about 1906?

So let me ask you.... how is it that there is only one single supplier of epinephrine auto injectors in the entire US market?

Doesn't that make you curious? Are you not even a tad confused how in a free market, where it costs 10 cents to make a dose, and can be sold for $25, that not a single capitalist in the entire country thought.... "Hey I could make this, and sell it for $10, and make a killing!"?

Does your tiny little left-wing brain, not have the slightest curiosity as to why Capitalists always looking for a profit, have not jumped on this?

Well of course not. Of course you are not smart enough to ask questions, because if you were, you would ask, find out, and then stop being a left-winger.

Because the answer is... Government is why no capitalist has jumped into the epinephrine market. Government has prevented a free-market. And the result has been higher prices, and you idiots crying about Capitalism.

The irony is, you point to Europe, and yet Europe in this specific instance, is actually more capitalist, which is exactly way prices are lower. There are dozens of competitors in Europe, and because of competition in the market, the price is lower.

Reverse Voxsplaining: Drugs vs. Chairs

Let me ask Vox a question: when was the last time that America’s chair industry hiked the price of chairs 400% and suddenly nobody in the country could afford to sit down?

If a chair company decided to charge $300 for their chairs, somebody else would set up a woodshop, sell their chairs for $250, and make a killing – and so on until chairs cost normal-chair-prices again. When Mylan decided to sell EpiPens for $300, in any normal system somebody would have made their own EpiPens and sold them for less. It wouldn’t have been hard. Its active ingredient, epinephrine, is off-patent, was being synthesized as early as 1906, and costs about ten cents per EpiPen-load.

Why don’t they? They keep trying, and the FDA keeps refusing to approve them for human use. For example, in 2009, a group called Teva Pharmaceuticals announced a plan to sell their own EpiPens in the US. The makers of the original EpiPen sued them, saying that they had patented the idea epinephrine-injecting devices. Teva successfully fended off the challenge and brought its product to the FDA, which rejected it because of “certain major deficiencies”. As far as I know, nobody has ever publicly said what the problem was – we can only hope they at least told Teva.
​

You people are the reason we have problems with expensive health care. You people. You people on the left, with all your regulations, and government controls, you are the cause of high prices.

You stupid ignorant fools, are the cause of every single problem in our country.

If this was factual the prices wouldn't have plummeted after people demanded something be done.

What do you mean? People demanded something be done. What they did, was allow a competitor into the market. Logically with more competition, prices dropped.

IF they allowed even more competition, like Europe, prices would drop more.

The market is reacting exactly as expected given the level of free-market capitalism the government allowed.

When the government allowed very little... the prices went up.
As the government allowed a little more... the prices went down.

Once you research everything that affected Epipen, the market is behaving exactly as anyone with a thinking mind, would expect it too.

 

[hadit]

That is why, as people get older, they diversity their investments into safer funds that may pay lower returns but generally don't fluctuate as much. Dude, you really need to learn something about this stuff.

The truly wealthy saw this coming and moved their money to safer havens. That's part of what drives market volitility.

More and more do not trust the markets. They understand it's all bubbles now that will always burst.

The theory of how the markets are supposed to work aren't how they work.

And the wise diversify to minimize total risk. There are funds that pay lower returns but are safer. If you don't want the big risks and rewards the market provides, you don't have to invest in it.

You don't but as I have been pointing out, the markets still want to take your money.

Uhhh, everyone wants to take your money, if you'll give it to them. Notice that in a Capitalist society, you get something, goods or services, in exchange for your money.

You get that in any society so that is a bit of a moot point.

The Market wants your money, but it gives a return. That return is not guaranteed, so you take the risk of investing if you want to. The market can't steal your money.

 

[iceberg]

you "say" a lot of "shit".

the end result is you're in my opinion overly idealistic and seem to hold successful people in disdain and want to ensure the common man is taken care of regardless of the situation or circumstances.

in my opinion, that's bullshit. you get what you are willing to work for in life and if you expect people to hand you stuff, don't bitch if you don't like the handouts. this is oversimplification and not absolute as we do need to care for those who can't take care of themselves.

those who won't i'm not as concerned about.

If the markets were that successful we wouldnt have been bailing it out the last decade plus.

if giving to the poor worked, we'd not have had them since the beginning of time.

we can do this shit all day long, son. doesn't change the fact you just try to normalize extreme situations.

We have been in extreme situations for 12 years. (Actually far longer but we will go with that). When do you think it might end?

Extreme situations never end. Neither do normal ones.

Right, we are never going to end the socialist policies for the market........

and you're never going to stop being pissed about shit you can't change that doesn't fit into your defend the 1% mantra.

move on.

 

[Andylusion]

What are you talking about? The markets are operating exactly how they always have.

I don't understand your claim about how "markets are supposed to work". What do you mean they are supposed to work? Who said they were supposed to operating in some arbitrary manor you made up?

They are working exactly how they have always worked. Values fluctuation. All values have always fluctuated.

Nothing is wrong with the market now, or in the past.

You are just ignorant of how the market works. Your ignorance, does not mean something is wrong. It just means you are ignorant.

Markets were never intended in capitalism to be bailed out by the taxpayers.

Agreed. I oppose all bailouts. Still does not change the fact the markets are working just fine without bailouts.

Then why are we going to bail them out again?

Why are you asking me? I'm a conservative. I'm against bailouts. Conservative pundits are against bailouts. We have been before there was even a Tea Party protesting bailouts.

Why are you asking me this? You are a Democrat, right? Democrats control the House of Representatives, and the House controls the purse of the entire government.

Why don't you talk to your Democrats, and tell them not to provide any money for bailouts. I'll support you in doing that.

I'm not a Democrat. I'm (I). Trump is going to do this. You support and will vote for him again despite your claims.

Well first, I didn't vote for him. I voted for Darrel Castle. Constitutionalist party.
I thought Trump was going to be a left-winger. And his morals suck.

But he has been exceptionally conservative, far more than I'd expect.

No politicians is going to be a perfect ideologue. If we only voted for perfect candidates, then we would have a authoritarian dictatorship by now. Because all people with good ideological positions, would never vote for any candidate, and only the crappiest people, voted for by the crappiest people, would be in office.

Based on what I've seen, Trump is still the best possible candidate.

And based on your posts, clearly you don't have any better option. If we on the right, did not vote for Trump, people like you who don't even know how the Federal Reserve works, saying myths about people having their retirement stolen by negative interest rates, and all the other non-stop nonsense you have been posting for the last 16 pages... clearly we would end up with an AOC type as president, and then we would still have bailouts, only we'd also have elimination of our liberties, socializing of industry, food lines, protest and riots, and end up cooking up the family dog to live.

Because that's what happens when ignorant people vote for ignorant people, and try and change the system.... Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, being voted for by all the people now starving, is a perfect example.

So yeah... I don't know what Trump will do. He might bailout some companies. We on the conservative right-wing will oppose him, and he might do it anyway.

Still way better... by a wide wide margin, than anything you have to offer.

 

[Andylusion]

And yet, people get rich off the market all the time.

Because of the Feds Socialist policies.

Not true.

The reason Apple's stock pays a return, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve, or socialism.

It has to do with Apple selling products, and making a profit.

My dividends, which I am still even now, collecting even with the market lower... is because Apple is still selling phones and computers, and making a profit.

No socialism is involved in this. The Fed is not bailing out Apple. The Fed is not boasting Apple's profit.

There is zero connection between the value of my stocks in companies like Apple, and their dividends, or their market value. It has to do with the profit of the company, and the value of the company.

Now we all know that the market has declined. And the reason is because investors are considering the possibility that there could be supply chain disruptions, and that this could hinder Apple Sales, and that this could hinder profits.

Again, what part of that equation has anything at all to do with the Federal Reserve? None.

So there is no socialism involved in the growth and profit of the market. You are just ignorant, and spewing nonsense someone told you, without any intellectual thought involved.

Fed injects trillions. The markets go up.....no one worked or sold a thing for this..........until it all pops again and the corporations come clamoring for another bail out.

Well already, your argument is false. Because according to you Fed is injecting trillions now, and the markets went down, and no one worked or sold a thing for this.

So, fail.

Regardless, that's not a failure of capitalism, or the markets... that's a failure of your government control. If the government refuses to bail out Lehman Brothers, then Lehman Brothers just isn't bailed out.

Doesn't matter if someone comes clamoring for another bailout or not. You just don't give it.

Call your Democrats who control the purse of government, and tell them... no bailouts. I'm all for it. I support that.

Trump is leading the call for the bail outs. Bush bailed out the banks.

Right, and we opposed that.

Again... call up the Democrats in the House, and tell them no money for bailouts.

I don't get what your point is.

Get to a point. What do you want me to do?

Vote for someone worse, because you don't like Trump? How is putting someone 100X worse in his place, going to improve anything?

 

[Andylusion]

The cost of Epi-Pens was negotiated by Mylan and Insurance companies. As a result, prices were fairly stable.
Then the government got involved with ObamaCare, and deductibles dramatically increased, and as a result the cost of EpiPens were pushed onto consumers in higher prices, because the insurance companies were no longer involved.

You didn't do "research". You furiously googled until you found an agreeable opinion piece. And the reasoning given is obviously stupid, as just as many people are privately insured today as they were then, and this number dwarfs the number of people using Obamacare by a factor of 10. Furthermore, high deductible plans would force more people to pay out of pocket, which would be a downward pressure on the price. On top of all that, the real gouging started on 2014, 5 years after passage of the ACA. What changed? What changed is that they saw a generic alternative was imminent, so they hiked prices for a cash grab. What a piece of crap opinion article. Embarrassing right wing horseshit. You should be embarrassed of yourself.

First, if just as many people are privately insured, then what was the point of this?

Second, again I just covered that. Epipens were under the insurance companies, and thus had negotiated prices. With high deductible plans, the Epipens were no longer under the insurance, and thus the prices were on the consumers.

If you are an insurance company, and the entire cost of Epipens is now under the level of the deductible, meaning you are never likely to have to pay for them.... would you waste your time negotiating a discount with the supplier?

No. Because you are not likely to ever have to pay the price, no matter if it is small or large.

If on the other hand, deductibles are low, which prior to ObamaCare they were.... and you are very likely to end up paying for EpiPens, then you are likely to engaging in negotiating a price.

What changed is that they saw a generic alternative was imminent, so they hiked prices for a cash grab.

Again... why was a generic alternative only "imminent" in 2014?
You realize this is a product that was introduced in 1987. Why has there been no alternative in 40+ years?

You, and those like you, who support government control. That's why.

Look at another way.....

One solution to the soaring price of EpiPens: Build a replacement that costs a fraction as much.

Jim Duren of King County Emergency Medical Services told KUOW’s Kim Malcolm that his agency did just that in 2013, building its own injection kit.

“Excluding the medication, the kit itself costs $15 with all the supplies,” he said. And the doses of adrenaline? “Somewhere between $2.50 and 5.”​

King County's incredibly cheap answer to the EpiPen

So again I ask you to use that tiny little left-wing brain of yours......

If a hospital can actually build their own generic epi-pen replacements.......

Why has there not been a host of alternatives on the market for years now?

You sit around complaining how greedy and evil those capitalists looking for a profit are.... so why didn't one of those greedy evil looking-for-profit capitalists start building Epi-pen replacements, and selling them for half the cost of Epi-Pen?

Because of you.... you people with your regulations and controls and endless FDA and agencies. You people blocked the market. You people created a monopoly for Mylon. You people allowed corporations to abuse the public.

You did this. All you. Not me. I have been an opponent of the FDA for years. I've been an opponent of government regulations for years.

You are the person charging $600 for this stuff. You are. Blame yourself. Time to grow up, own up, and take the reality like a man. If you are a man at all.

 

[pknopp]

like frasier told woody one day "it means you don't understand it, and you never will".

My complaint is you didn't see what you claimed to see.

That is a valid concern. I freely admit, I'm not an expert on the subject.

View attachment 313462

View attachment 313463

What am I not seeing?

Massive price increases on EpiPens raise alarm

Regulations on "capitalism" is what you are missing.

Now this is ironic...

So I did some digging into this, just for amusement.

Once again, the socialists blow their own foot off, with socialism, and blame capitalism for their own incompetence.

You stupid brainless fools... This is level of absolute stupidity, is exactly why Trump got elected.

There are two specific reasons Epi-Pens went up in cost.

The cost of Epi-Pens was negotiated by Mylan and Insurance companies. As a result, prices were fairly stable.
Then the government got involved with ObamaCare, and deductibles dramatically increased, and as a result the cost of EpiPens were pushed onto consumers in higher prices, because the insurance companies were no longer involved.

So reason number one.... socialism.

And then the bigger of the two reasons, and most important....

A lack of free-market competition. Now that is fascinating isn't it.

Did you know that epinephrine is not even patented? Did you know that epinephrine has been synthesized since about 1906?

So let me ask you.... how is it that there is only one single supplier of epinephrine auto injectors in the entire US market?

Doesn't that make you curious? Are you not even a tad confused how in a free market, where it costs 10 cents to make a dose, and can be sold for $25, that not a single capitalist in the entire country thought.... "Hey I could make this, and sell it for $10, and make a killing!"?

Does your tiny little left-wing brain, not have the slightest curiosity as to why Capitalists always looking for a profit, have not jumped on this?

Well of course not. Of course you are not smart enough to ask questions, because if you were, you would ask, find out, and then stop being a left-winger.

Because the answer is... Government is why no capitalist has jumped into the epinephrine market. Government has prevented a free-market. And the result has been higher prices, and you idiots crying about Capitalism.

The irony is, you point to Europe, and yet Europe in this specific instance, is actually more capitalist, which is exactly way prices are lower. There are dozens of competitors in Europe, and because of competition in the market, the price is lower.

Reverse Voxsplaining: Drugs vs. Chairs

Let me ask Vox a question: when was the last time that America’s chair industry hiked the price of chairs 400% and suddenly nobody in the country could afford to sit down?

If a chair company decided to charge $300 for their chairs, somebody else would set up a woodshop, sell their chairs for $250, and make a killing – and so on until chairs cost normal-chair-prices again. When Mylan decided to sell EpiPens for $300, in any normal system somebody would have made their own EpiPens and sold them for less. It wouldn’t have been hard. Its active ingredient, epinephrine, is off-patent, was being synthesized as early as 1906, and costs about ten cents per EpiPen-load.

Why don’t they? They keep trying, and the FDA keeps refusing to approve them for human use. For example, in 2009, a group called Teva Pharmaceuticals announced a plan to sell their own EpiPens in the US. The makers of the original EpiPen sued them, saying that they had patented the idea epinephrine-injecting devices. Teva successfully fended off the challenge and brought its product to the FDA, which rejected it because of “certain major deficiencies”. As far as I know, nobody has ever publicly said what the problem was – we can only hope they at least told Teva.
​

You people are the reason we have problems with expensive health care. You people. You people on the left, with all your regulations, and government controls, you are the cause of high prices.

You stupid ignorant fools, are the cause of every single problem in our country.

If this was factual the prices wouldn't have plummeted after people demanded something be done.

What do you mean? People demanded something be done. What they did, was allow a competitor into the market. Logically with more competition, prices dropped.

IF they allowed even more competition, like Europe, prices would drop more.

The market is reacting exactly as expected given the level of free-market capitalism the government allowed.

When the government allowed very little... the prices went up.
As the government allowed a little more... the prices went down.

Once you research everything that affected Epipen, the market is behaving exactly as anyone with a thinking mind, would expect it too.

Obviously you were not paying attention. This was Senator Manchin's daughter and living in WV it was front page. It was nothing but pure greed. Manchin wasn't even able to defend it.

 

[pknopp]

More and more do not trust the markets. They understand it's all bubbles now that will always burst.

The theory of how the markets are supposed to work aren't how they work.

And the wise diversify to minimize total risk. There are funds that pay lower returns but are safer. If you don't want the big risks and rewards the market provides, you don't have to invest in it.

You don't but as I have been pointing out, the markets still want to take your money.

Uhhh, everyone wants to take your money, if you'll give it to them. Notice that in a Capitalist society, you get something, goods or services, in exchange for your money.

You get that in any society so that is a bit of a moot point.

The Market wants your money, but it gives a return. That return is not guaranteed, so you take the risk of investing if you want to. The market can't steal your money.

Negative rates.

 

[pknopp]

If the markets were that successful we wouldnt have been bailing it out the last decade plus.

if giving to the poor worked, we'd not have had them since the beginning of time.

we can do this shit all day long, son. doesn't change the fact you just try to normalize extreme situations.

We have been in extreme situations for 12 years. (Actually far longer but we will go with that). When do you think it might end?

Extreme situations never end. Neither do normal ones.

Right, we are never going to end the socialist policies for the market........

and you're never going to stop being pissed about shit you can't change that doesn't fit into your defend the 1% mantra.

move on.

Did you see the remarks by Mark Cuban? I posted them but no one wanted to reply. Things are changing.

 

[pknopp]

Markets were never intended in capitalism to be bailed out by the taxpayers.

Agreed. I oppose all bailouts. Still does not change the fact the markets are working just fine without bailouts.

Then why are we going to bail them out again?

Why are you asking me? I'm a conservative. I'm against bailouts. Conservative pundits are against bailouts. We have been before there was even a Tea Party protesting bailouts.

Why are you asking me this? You are a Democrat, right? Democrats control the House of Representatives, and the House controls the purse of the entire government.

Why don't you talk to your Democrats, and tell them not to provide any money for bailouts. I'll support you in doing that.

I'm not a Democrat. I'm (I). Trump is going to do this. You support and will vote for him again despite your claims.

Well first, I didn't vote for him. I voted for Darrel Castle. Constitutionalist party.
I thought Trump was going to be a left-winger. And his morals suck.

But he has been exceptionally conservative, far more than I'd expect.

No politicians is going to be a perfect ideologue. If we only voted for perfect candidates, then we would have a authoritarian dictatorship by now. Because all people with good ideological positions, would never vote for any candidate, and only the crappiest people, voted for by the crappiest people, would be in office.

Based on what I've seen, Trump is still the best possible candidate.

And based on your posts, clearly you don't have any better option. If we on the right, did not vote for Trump, people like you who don't even know how the Federal Reserve works, saying myths about people having their retirement stolen by negative interest rates, and all the other non-stop nonsense you have been posting for the last 16 pages... clearly we would end up with an AOC type as president, and then we would still have bailouts, only we'd also have elimination of our liberties, socializing of industry, food lines, protest and riots, and end up cooking up the family dog to live.

Because that's what happens when ignorant people vote for ignorant people, and try and change the system.... Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, being voted for by all the people now starving, is a perfect example.

So yeah... I don't know what Trump will do. He might bailout some companies. We on the conservative right-wing will oppose him, and he might do it anyway.

Still way better... by a wide wide margin, than anything you have to offer.

Trump keeps pushing ‘negative' interest rates. What would that mean for your wallet?

 

[pknopp]

Because of the Feds Socialist policies.

Not true.

The reason Apple's stock pays a return, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve, or socialism.

It has to do with Apple selling products, and making a profit.

My dividends, which I am still even now, collecting even with the market lower... is because Apple is still selling phones and computers, and making a profit.

No socialism is involved in this. The Fed is not bailing out Apple. The Fed is not boasting Apple's profit.

There is zero connection between the value of my stocks in companies like Apple, and their dividends, or their market value. It has to do with the profit of the company, and the value of the company.

Now we all know that the market has declined. And the reason is because investors are considering the possibility that there could be supply chain disruptions, and that this could hinder Apple Sales, and that this could hinder profits.

Again, what part of that equation has anything at all to do with the Federal Reserve? None.

So there is no socialism involved in the growth and profit of the market. You are just ignorant, and spewing nonsense someone told you, without any intellectual thought involved.

Fed injects trillions. The markets go up.....no one worked or sold a thing for this..........until it all pops again and the corporations come clamoring for another bail out.

Well already, your argument is false. Because according to you Fed is injecting trillions now, and the markets went down, and no one worked or sold a thing for this.

So, fail.

Regardless, that's not a failure of capitalism, or the markets... that's a failure of your government control. If the government refuses to bail out Lehman Brothers, then Lehman Brothers just isn't bailed out.

Doesn't matter if someone comes clamoring for another bailout or not. You just don't give it.

Call your Democrats who control the purse of government, and tell them... no bailouts. I'm all for it. I support that.

Trump is leading the call for the bail outs. Bush bailed out the banks.

Right, and we opposed that.

Again... call up the Democrats in the House, and tell them no money for bailouts.

I don't get what your point is.

Get to a point. What do you want me to do?

Vote for someone worse, because you don't like Trump? How is putting someone 100X worse in his place, going to improve anything?

What should you do? Quit trying to pretend this is some sort of partisan problem.

 

[hadit]

And the wise diversify to minimize total risk. There are funds that pay lower returns but are safer. If you don't want the big risks and rewards the market provides, you don't have to invest in it.

You don't but as I have been pointing out, the markets still want to take your money.

Uhhh, everyone wants to take your money, if you'll give it to them. Notice that in a Capitalist society, you get something, goods or services, in exchange for your money.

You get that in any society so that is a bit of a moot point.

The Market wants your money, but it gives a return. That return is not guaranteed, so you take the risk of investing if you want to. The market can't steal your money.

Negative rates.

It's still your choice to invest in the markets. They can't raid your bank account or take the coffee can from under your bed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Now that the Republicans gave into passing out free money, that's going to put us yet another trillion into debt, what does anybody want to bet it won't do shit for the economy, the market, or individuals suffering the financial effects of this virus?

 

[pknopp]

You don't but as I have been pointing out, the markets still want to take your money.

Uhhh, everyone wants to take your money, if you'll give it to them. Notice that in a Capitalist society, you get something, goods or services, in exchange for your money.

You get that in any society so that is a bit of a moot point.

The Market wants your money, but it gives a return. That return is not guaranteed, so you take the risk of investing if you want to. The market can't steal your money.

Negative rates.

It's still your choice to invest in the markets. They can't raid your bank account or take the coffee can from under your bed.

How many times do I need to point this out? They want to raid your bank accounts now with negative rates. This is how desperate they are. And this is suppose to be the greatest system ever devised?

Trump keeps pushing ‘negative' interest rates. What would that mean for your wallet?

 

[initforme]

Well if we give no help to workers who have lost their jobs and have no income now how do you expect them to eat and feed their kids? For working folk living check to check this means survival.

 

[pknopp]

Well if we give no help to workers who have lost their jobs and have no income now how do you expect them to eat and feed their kids? For working folk living check to check this means survival.

What? Anyone can be a Senator. They all should become a Senator.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well if we give no help to workers who have lost their jobs and have no income now how do you expect them to eat and feed their kids? For working folk living check to check this means survival.

You simply go on unemployment, just like you would if you got laid off.

 

[pknopp]

Well if we give no help to workers who have lost their jobs and have no income now how do you expect them to eat and feed their kids? For working folk living check to check this means survival.

You simply go on unemployment, just like you would if you got laid off.

Trump doesn't know this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/17/trump-coronavirus-stimulus-package/

 

[jillian]

Because of the Feds Socialist policies.

Not true.

The reason Apple's stock pays a return, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve, or socialism.

It has to do with Apple selling products, and making a profit.

My dividends, which I am still even now, collecting even with the market lower... is because Apple is still selling phones and computers, and making a profit.

No socialism is involved in this. The Fed is not bailing out Apple. The Fed is not boasting Apple's profit.

There is zero connection between the value of my stocks in companies like Apple, and their dividends, or their market value. It has to do with the profit of the company, and the value of the company.

Now we all know that the market has declined. And the reason is because investors are considering the possibility that there could be supply chain disruptions, and that this could hinder Apple Sales, and that this could hinder profits.

Again, what part of that equation has anything at all to do with the Federal Reserve? None.

So there is no socialism involved in the growth and profit of the market. You are just ignorant, and spewing nonsense someone told you, without any intellectual thought involved.

Fed injects trillions. The markets go up.....no one worked or sold a thing for this..........until it all pops again and the corporations come clamoring for another bail out.

Well already, your argument is false. Because according to you Fed is injecting trillions now, and the markets went down, and no one worked or sold a thing for this.

So, fail.

Regardless, that's not a failure of capitalism, or the markets... that's a failure of your government control. If the government refuses to bail out Lehman Brothers, then Lehman Brothers just isn't bailed out.

Doesn't matter if someone comes clamoring for another bailout or not. You just don't give it.

Call your Democrats who control the purse of government, and tell them... no bailouts. I'm all for it. I support that.

Trump is leading the call for the bail outs. Bush bailed out the banks.

Right, and we opposed that.

Again... call up the Democrats in the House, and tell them no money for bailouts.

I don't get what your point is.

Get to a point. What do you want me to do?

Vote for someone worse, because you don't like Trump? How is putting someone 100X worse in his place, going to improve anything?

No one is worse than the orange incompetent psychopath

 

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if giving to the poor worked, we'd not have had them since the beginning of time.

we can do this shit all day long, son. doesn't change the fact you just try to normalize extreme situations.

We have been in extreme situations for 12 years. (Actually far longer but we will go with that). When do you think it might end?

Extreme situations never end. Neither do normal ones.

Right, we are never going to end the socialist policies for the market........

and you're never going to stop being pissed about shit you can't change that doesn't fit into your defend the 1% mantra.

move on.

Did you see the remarks by Mark Cuban? I posted them but no one wanted to reply. Things are changing.

Talking to you is a fucking circular logic beating.